TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

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My concern is that once TAI shows off an armed version or announces plans for one that the US will cut of the supply of engines.
It’s better to find out what to expect now with Hürjet than when we want to mass produce KAAN.
 

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All this talk about getting a certain number of Hürjet in Light Attack format and some operating from an Aircraft Carrier is somewhat long winded wishful thinking to my ears. It sounds nice but will it ever materialise?

Hurjet project primarily is a trainer aircraft project. If we want to turn some of them in to light attack fighter planes, unless we specified at day 1 that was our intention to the engine supplier, we may find it difficult to obtain engines. Same is valid for the carrier based version.

A carrier based plane will have to be sea worthy. Ie navalised. It’s construction has to be more robust and airframe has to be strong enough to withstand rough landings and arrester wire’s strains and withstand stresses applied to the plane during short take off too. It has to have special landing gears. It’s engine and wing design will have to be reworked to give the necessary lift for STOL operations.

If we have the technology to make a stealth plane. Why should we be wasting our time with small 4th generation plane like Hurjet?
An Anka 4 and a KE operating from a slightly longer TCG Anadolu without that rear lift and in STOL configuration (ski lift take off and arrester wire landing) would be cheaper and more effective than reconfigured Hurjets operating from a full fledged AC. For the price of one AC we can have 3-4 of these ships.
 
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All this talk about getting a certain number of Hürjet in Light Attack format and some operating from an Aircraft Carrier is somewhat long winded wishful thinking to my ears. It sounds nice but will it ever materialise?

Hurjet project primarily is a trainer aircraft project. If we want to turn some of them in to light attack fighter planes, unless we specified at day 1 that was our intention to the engine supplier, we may find it difficult to obtain engines. Same is valid for the carrier based version.

A carrier based plane will have to be sea worthy. Ie navalised. It’s construction has to be more robust and airframe has to be strong enough to withstand rough landings and arrester wire’s strains and withstand stresses applied to the plane during short take off too. It has to have special landing gears. It’s engine and wing design will have to be reworked to give the necessary lift for STOL operations.

If we have the technology to make a stealth plane. Why should we be wasting our time with small 4th generation plane like Hurjet?
An Anka 4 and a KE operating from a slightly longer TCG Anadolu without that rear lift and in STOL configuration (ski lift take off and arrester wire landing) would be cheaper and more effective than reconfigured Hurjets operating from a full fledged AC. For the price of one AC we can have 3-4 of these ships.
Amen.
 

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But does that intention come from TAI or our military? Does the Navy actually want to use a naval Hürjet as a dedicated naval jet and not just for training its pilots? Does Air Force actually want to use Hürjet as a light (almost very light, Korean T-50 can carry twice as much payload) attack craft?

And you know what else we haven't heard anything about? An engine for Hürjet. We may have an engine agreement in place for it as a trainer, but there is no guarantee that we'll be allowed to use those engines for naval or light attack versions. And we don't have a project for an engine in the class that Hürjet needs. TF10K is obviously too weak for it and TF35K would be too much I'm guessing, so it sits at an awkward middle spot between our two projects.
highly speculative I know but it is hard for me to be convinced that our ambitious navy will be satisfied with any variant of Hürjet for the Future
 

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All this talk about getting a certain number of Hürjet in Light Attack format and some operating from an Aircraft Carrier is somewhat long winded wishful thinking to my ears. It sounds nice but will it ever materialise?

Hurjet project primarily is a trainer aircraft project. If we want to turn some of them in to light attack fighter planes, unless we specified at day 1 that was our intention to the engine supplier, we may find it difficult to obtain engines. Same is valid for the carrier based version.

A carrier based plane will have to be sea worthy. Ie navalised. It’s construction has to be more robust and airframe has to be strong enough to withstand rough landings and arrester wire’s strains and withstand stresses applied to the plane during short take off too. It has to have special landing gears. It’s engine and wing design will have to be reworked to give the necessary lift for STOL operations.

If we have the technology to make a stealth plane. Why should we be wasting our time with small 4th generation plane like Hurjet?
An Anka 4 and a KE operating from a slightly longer TCG Anadolu without that rear lift and in STOL configuration (ski lift take off and arrester wire landing) would be cheaper and more effective than reconfigured Hurjets operating from a full fledged AC. For the price of one AC we can have 3-4 of these ships.
People are just adding all their fantasies and trying to rationalize the time spent on Hürjet.

Trainer jet and light armed version is more realistic expectation than what people hve been saying.

let’s not forget that it’s our first jet that flew and still a platform I think we can use to learn from.
 

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The biggest gain of Hürjet to Turkish Aviation, Turkish Airforce, TEI, TAI, etc is the experience and know how. Thanks to Hürjet project, KAAN development has been smoother and faster.
 
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The biggest gain of Hürjet to Turkish Aviation, Turkish Airforce, TEI, TAI, etc is the experience and know how. Thanks to Hürjet project, KAAN development has been smoother and faster.
I would say it wouldn't even be possible without those steps
 

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{#Avionics}
👍The integration of ASELSAN's Radio Navigation Equipment ARVEN into HÜRJET has been completed.
🔸ASELSAN ARVEN also successfully took part in HÜRJET, which Turkish Air Forces Commander General Ziya Cemal Kadıoğlu flew.
With a modular infrastructure that can be easily integrated into helicopters, aircraft and UAVs, ARVEN is composed of:⬇️
➡️VHF Omni-Directional Range,
➡️Instrument Landing System,
➡️Glideslope,
➡️Marker Beacon,
➡️Automatic Direction Finder,
➡️Distance Measuring Equipment
➡️Tactical Air Navigation Radio Transceivers.

 

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Many thanks to Kaan Azman for the visualization of the 'homemade' light fighter jet. I still believe that if a suitable engine solution can be created, a possible naval/LCA variant of this platform could potentially attract a very significant number of air forces, including the Turkish air force.

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Many thanks to Kaan Azman for the visualization of the 'homemade' light fighter jet. I still believe that if a suitable engine solution can be created, a possible naval/LCA variant of this platform could potentially attract a very significant number of air forces, including the Turkish air force.

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You're far too optimistic mate. I'm sure we're going to buy enough Hürjet to subsidise the investment TAI made in it, but apart from that, I can't see "a very significant number of air forces" tripping over themselves to get it.

Light attack variant of Hürjet will have to compete against other more mature planes while also carrying far less payload. We would not only be competing against Western companies but also Russians and Chinese in trying to sell it as they all have a plane or two that fits the same bill. And all of those competitors can give loans to any potential buyers, just like Koreans have been doing with T-50, or rather FA-50. And even if we could finance the deals, who are those countries that are looking to buy light attack jets and are going to pick us over other options AND can actually pay for them? No more than a handful, and maybe some more that we maybe shouldn't even consider selling.

And please, let's not even talk about a carrier version, I honestly think it is insulting to our navy. It would be a waste of time, money and other resources to navalise Hürjet, with a payload less than 3000 kg I doubt its hardpoints could even carry Atmaca, which weighs something like 650 kgs. Not to mention the inherit lack of stealth, I mean come on, you can't be seriously wanting us to use Hürjet on an actual aircraft carrier in 2040s? It's embarrassing. We'd be much better of using KE and Anka-3/4 and making more "drone motherships" instead of wasting resources on an aircraft carrier.
 

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