TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[OPTIMUS]

Currently, several Spanish aviation companies are producing critical systems for HÜRJET.

 

[Sanchez]

Looks like there's a yet to be announced update, Hürjet is no longer shown to be flying in Farnborough next week and will be on static display only.

Aircraft at Farnborough International Airshow 2024

Find out what's displayed at FIA2024

www.farnboroughairshow.com

Previous announcement from FIA's twitter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811021949163708579

 

[Yasar_TR]

3 savunma sanayii devi HÜRJET'in motoru için birleşti! Aralarında ABD'li şirkette var - Sanayi Gazetesi

Türk Havacılık Uzay Sanayii, TEI ve GE Aerospace, ileri seviye Jet Eğitim Uçak Programı HÜRJET için Mutabakat Anlaşması imzaladı.

sanayigazetesi.com.tr

Let's hope we hear the same for f110 for KAAN.
GE and TEI with Turkish Aerospace have agreed to produce, maintain and develop f404 engine at TEI.

 

[boredaf]

3 savunma sanayii devi HÜRJET'in motoru için birleşti! Aralarında ABD'li şirkette var - Sanayi Gazetesi

Türk Havacılık Uzay Sanayii, TEI ve GE Aerospace, ileri seviye Jet Eğitim Uçak Programı HÜRJET için Mutabakat Anlaşması imzaladı.

sanayigazetesi.com.tr

Let's hope we hear the same for f110 for KAAN.
GE and TEI with Turkish Aerospace have agreed to produce, maintain and develop f404 engine at TEI.

That is absolutely great news. I hope production lines are already prepared at TEI and we can start producing them as soon as possible.

 

[Yasar_TR]

That is absolutely great news. I hope production lines are already prepared at TEI and we can start producing them as soon as possible.

GE Aerospace Extends Cooperation For HÜRJET | TURDEF

GE Aerospace has announced the extension of its collaboration with TUSAŞ on HÜRJET advanced trainer/light combat aircraft.

turdef.com

The last sentence in above news is critical.

quote:
As the efforts are focused on TEI TF6000/10000 turbofans and KAAN fighter jet's indigenous engine being developed by TRMotor, cooperation with GE Aviation will likely lower the potential workload.
unquote.

But more than that it will actually pave the way for the local production of 150+ f110 engines we will need for:
11 x KAAN prototypes
40 x KAAN Block 10 planes
40 x f16 V70 jets recently ordered.

Since we last produced f110s for the 30 f16 planes with ÖNCEL 4 program in 2006, the f110 engine has gone through a number of upgrades and application of newer technologies, such as blisk fans and compressors and probably fourth generation single crystal turbine blades.
The f110 has been upgraded with new increased airflow, jet engine efficiency, a three-stage chord blisk fan, and an advanced radial augmentor to reduce complexity, improve maintainability, and increase the life span of parts.
Physically producing most parts at TEI, will help us with ease of adopting newer technologies.

 

[Altay_TR]

Looks like there's a yet to be announced update, Hürjet is no longer shown to be flying in Farnborough next week and will be on static display only.

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Aircraft at Farnborough International Airshow 2024

Find out what's displayed at FIA2024

www.farnboroughairshow.com

Previous announcement from FIA's twitter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811021949163708579

I asked Mr. İbrahim Sünnetçi about this issue, and he said that he knew the reason, but that it would be right for the company to explain. He also stated that three different countries are interested in the Hürjet and that order negotiations are being held.

 

[Lool]

3 savunma sanayii devi HÜRJET'in motoru için birleşti! Aralarında ABD'li şirkette var - Sanayi Gazetesi

Türk Havacılık Uzay Sanayii, TEI ve GE Aerospace, ileri seviye Jet Eğitim Uçak Programı HÜRJET için Mutabakat Anlaşması imzaladı.

sanayigazetesi.com.tr

Let's hope we hear the same for f110 for KAAN.
GE and TEI with Turkish Aerospace have agreed to produce, maintain and develop f404 engine at TEI.

Does that mean that the F110 engines will be 100% domesticated or will Turkey outsource the important tech and just assemble it locally?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Does that mean that the F110 engines will be 100% domesticated or will Turkey outsource the important tech and just assemble it locally?

Yours is wishful thinking!
This agreement is totally about the F404 engines and its variants. Remember these engines can develop from 10500lbf to 12000lbf dry thrust as shown in Korean, Swedish and Indian versions.
The F404 to be assembled at TEI, will be like T700 Blackhawk engines, and have gradually more and more local parts. But will never be with totally home manufactured parts.
The same should be the case for F110GE129-D (f16v70 ) and F110GE129-E (KAAN) engines. But as of yet no clear cut agreement has been reached.

 

[Merzifonlu]

But, this is just MOU. Am i wrong?

 

[Saithan]

Yours is wishful thinking!
This agreement is totally about the F404 engines and its variants. Remember these engines can develop from 10500lbf to 12000lbf dry thrust as shown in Korean, Swedish and Indian versions.
The F404 to be assembled at TEI, will be like T700 Blackhawk engines, and have gradually more and more local parts. But will never be with totally home manufactured parts.
The same should be the case for F110GE129-D (f16v70 ) and F110GE129-E (KAAN) engines. But as of yet no clear cut agreement has been reached.

I may have asked this in the past.

Do you think it would have been possible and wise to make an agreement back in 2006, that we'd produced/assemble a dozen or even half a dozen engines every year. I mean a lot of time has passed since then. And while we have the knowhow on paper, I'm not so sure the people from that time are still in the industry.

 

[Sanchez]

Update on Hürjet's no show in Farnborough last week from Anıl Şahin:

"HÜRJET's test and development activities continue with great success. There is currently 1 prototype.

Improvements are being made on this prototype, and then these improvements are verified through flight tests.

For Farnborough, a deployment was to take place following 4 different stops. However, engineering teams decided that an improvement was required, which also affected flight safety.

Since this improvement coincided with the Farnborough date, the arrival of the aircraft was canceled. However, I must emphasize that there is no problem with the plane.

It is going to a European country in a few days. It will move to Egypt around September."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1816386180801253426

This flight to "a European country" wasn't announced before. Spanish LIFT tender???

 

[Yasar_TR]

I may have asked this in the past.

Do you think it would have been possible and wise to make an agreement back in 2006, that we'd produced/assemble a dozen or even half a dozen engines every year. I mean a lot of time has passed since then. And while we have the knowhow on paper, I'm not so sure the people from that time are still in the industry.

As per Temel Kotil’in own words, TAI, over the years, has lost a good deal of the expertise and workforce that was trained to produce the f16s. We produced 270 aircraft’s for ourselves , including the last 30 planes that were delivered between 2006 to 2012 to make up for the lost ones. Additionally we produced 46 aircrafts for Egyptian airforce. With spares that would mean 340+ engines would have been assembled/produced at TEI. (First 8 aircrafts came from US fully assembled).

If maintained and serviced properly, f110 engines should last almost as long as the aircrafts themselves.
When a programme like for 270 planes is started, it includes the ~8%+ spare engines as well. You need these spare engines so as to not leave the plane without engines for too long a time, when the original engine is being overhauled.
But a deal could have been struck with GE and LM to keep the production line at TAI/TEI, active and ticking over, to help reduce their overall costs. Besides we could have easily gradually purchased up to 50 aircrafts ourselves since 2012. Now we had to jump over all those hoops to get 40 new planes. Shortsightedness??

 

[uçuyorum]

As per Temel Kotil’in own words, TAI, over the years, has lost a good deal of the expertise and workforce that was trained to produce the f16s. We produced 270 aircraft’s for ourselves , including the last 30 planes that were delivered between 2006 to 2012 to make up for the lost ones. Additionally we produced 46 aircrafts for Egyptian airforce. With spares that would mean 320+ engines would have been assembled/produced at TEI. (First 8 aircrafts came from US fully assembled).

If maintained and serviced properly, f110 engines should last almost as long as the aircrafts themselves.
When a programme like for 270 planes is started, it includes the ~8%+ spare engines as well. You need these spare engines so as to not leave the plane without engines for too long a time, when the original engine is being overhauled.
But a deal could have been struck with GE and LM to keep the production line at TAI/TEI, active and ticking over, to help reduce their overall costs. Besides we could have easily gradually purchased up to 50 aircrafts ourselves since 2012. Now we had to jump over all those hoops to get 40 new planes. Shortsightedness??

Part of it is F35 delays that were supposed to replace older aircraft. We weren't meant to buy more F16s in initial plan

 

[Sanchez]

Part of it is F35 delays that were supposed to replace older aircraft. We weren't meant to buy more F16s in initial plan

Turkey would put the F-16 fleet through the Viper program nonetheless but it is indeed unclear if we would have ordered new airframes had we received the F-35s.

 

[Yasar_TR]

When we finished the first 240 plane f16 programme, we had over 300 fighter jets including F4s and F5s. Since f4 and f5 jets were to be retired soon we would have needed more f16s to keep the numbers of non stealth jets ( the work horses of the airforce) at a decent level.
Of course, without knowing what the future would bring, the right decision would have been to join the EF2000 programme when they offered us to produce the planes in Turkey with all source codes availability.
But past is past. We need to look at the future.

 

[Saithan]

When we finished the first 240 plane f16 programme, we had over 300 fighter jets including F4s and F5s. Since f4 and f5 jets were to be retired soon we would have needed more f16s to keep the numbers of non stealth jets ( the work horses of the airforce) at a decent level.
Of course, without knowing what the future would bring, the right decision would have been to join the EF2000 programme when they offered us to produce the planes in Turkey with all source codes availability.
But past is past. We need to look at the future.

I am fully convinced that if possible we should (even now) get an indefinite production line for F16 up and running for eternity or until a new jet takes over. (meaning until that said new jet lands on Turkish soil).

But I do not believe that is possible due to politics. even producing 4 F16 a year indefinitely would be beneficial for our nation.

 

[Fairon]

Turkey would put the F-16 fleet through the Viper program nonetheless but it is indeed unclear if we would have ordered new airframes had we received the F-35s.

F35's weren't supposed to be this expensive though.(Even if the initial price is lower now, operating costs are still much higher than F16)

We might still have ended up getting new F16s whilst reducing the F35 order.

 

[Yasar_TR]

There are unverified rumours about I Sunnetci’s statement regarding Turkey buying some of the unwanted A400M transport planes. (6 out of 7 with Germany getting the other)

There were news that S Korea was offering Spain their trainer aircraft. Spain came back with a counter offer to give them A400Ms at the 15% price of 27million dollars a piece as a swap deal.

South Korea and Spain seek deal to swap trainer jets for airlifters

The deal may involve about 50 basic and advanced trainer jets built by Korea Aerospace Industries, and four to six Airbus A400M airlifters.

www.defensenews.com

Hurjet was offered to the Spanish.
Hurjet was not brought to Farnborough, because it had to go through urgent upgrades.
Now we are hearing that Hurjet is to go to Spain.

2 x 2 = ???

Any thoughts??

 

[Oublious]

First Hurjet will fly for the first time ifly in Egypt apparently they have a lot interest. No date about delivering but hope the deliver in 2026.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Any thoughts??

If it happens, it would be very good for us. We can both eliminate the shortage of heavy airlifter and provide great advertising for the Hürjet. Just as the Ukraine War served as "a billboard" for the TB-2s.