TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Zafer]

Hürjet LCA is to be used by foreign pilots defending Qatar when numbers matter. Easy on maintenance unlike a stealth fighter. Money does not always solve problems as you can not turn money into problem solving in a short time. I would have them if I were them. Also money may not last too long. Qatar's money come from LNG and other countries have started LNG business which shrinks Qatar's market. Also as a modern fighter I would make Hürjet an optionally manned fighter unlike other options Qatar has.

 

[Zafer]

Poland, Malaysia, Indonesia have chosen South Korea as their training jet, orders have been placed and deliveries are being made. (The last delivery will be to Poland in 2028)

Poland has some complaints though about some new systems integration. While at the same time Poland has strong cooperation with Türkiye. And who knows if Koreans can stomach palm oil well like we can. Indonesia is reluctant on paying money to Koreans while they have started going bigger with Türkiye. So, possibilities everywhere.

 

[Strong AI]

Is the current engine of Hürjet suitable, if you would want to make something like a EA-18 Growler out of Hürjet?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Is the current engine of Hürjet suitable, if you would want to make something like a EA-18 Growler out of Hürjet?

For single engine jet that uses the old f404 and not the better f414 it would be difficult but its possible i mean if akinci can be equiped with ew than hürjet can be to/problem is the power generation.

 

[Yasar_TR]

QE class ships were originally designed with a possible upgrade to CATOBAR down the line. But, house reports and further studies show that nearly all CATOBAR studies were forgotten about by 2004. It was sold as a minor upgrade worth less than 500M for two ships. Last talks from 2010-12 show it at 2 billion per ship. British armed forces are being forced to choose between upgrading their Trident SLBMs and buying new F-35As due to budget issues. Newly released budget talks for up to 2030 are not any better. They don't have the money for such a program. They will take their F-35Bs, say thank you and be happy that they are even allowed to have them. Their latest studies in that "Project Ark Royal" all came down to operating the Mojave from QE, that's it.

Bro, initial cost estimations with early 2000‘s GPB rates for the upgrade was 500million, and it was with hydraulic catapult and matching arrester wires for which the ship was constructed accordingly. Later it was thought to upgrade it to employ an EMALS. That is when price of 1billion then to 2 billion GBP became apparent. (That price overlaps well with the EMALS French are aspiring to fit on to their new Carrier by purchasing it from the Americans). UK even received a quote from General Atomics for the upgrade. But as you rightfully pointed out, UK don’t have the finances available to realise such a costly endeavour.

But it is important to make a point about the cost factors involved in CATOBAR operations, especially for where the MUGEM is involved.
If a country like UK finds it too expensive, should we really consider it at all?
As we currently have good relations with the US, may be it would be more apt to opt for the F35Bs, since they are more readily available to operate under conditions when CATOBAR planes are grounded. And cheaper to operate than CATOBAR alternatives.
That would negate the need for MUGEM too. A second LHD would be the more clever choice in that case.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[Fuzuli NL]

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Airbus jumps on the Hürjet train in Spain​

After the Airbus AFJT project for a light jet trainer has not yet progressed beyond the concept stage, the manufacturer has concluded an agreement with the Turkish group TUSAŞ (Turkish Aerospace Industries) for the tender for the Spanish Air Force, whose Hurjet is already in flight testing.

16.05.2025

TUSAŞ (Turkish Aerospace Industries) unveiled a Hurjet in the colors of the Spanish Air Force in Madrid and signed a cooperation agreement with Airbus. © Airbus

Airbus has signed a memorandum of understanding with the Turkish company TUSAŞ (Turkish Aerospace Industries) to cooperate in the replacement of the Spanish Air Force's (Ejército del Aire y del Espacio) 19 SF-5M jet trainers. Under this agreement, TAI's advanced single-engine supersonic Hürjet training aircraft will serve as the basis for a proposal for the Ejército del Aire. Under the agreement, some structural components of the Hürjet could also be produced in Spain.
In addition to the Hurjet, several potential competitors were already being evaluated at Torrejon Air Base, including the Boeing T-7A Red Hawk, the KAI T-50, and the Leonardo M-346. The Hurjet arrived in Spain in August 2024, as AeroBuzz reported.
To launch the initiative at the Spanish arms fair FEINDEF'25 in Madrid, a scale model of the Hürjet in the colors of the Ejército del Aire y del Espacio was exhibited.
TUSAŞ has been developing the jet trainer since 2017 and launched the Hurjet in April 2023. The model is currently undergoing flight testing for certification by the Turkish authorities. The first production aircraft was originally scheduled to be delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces in 2023.
TAI has published the following specifications for the Hürjet: length 13.60 meters; wingspan 9.50 meters; wing area 35 square meters; height 5.10 meters; and takeoff engine thrust 17,000 lb (75.6 kN). According to the manufacturer, the calculated service ceiling is 45,000 feet (13,716 meters) and the range 1,400 nautical miles (2,592 kilometers). TAI specifies the maximum speed as Mach 1.2.

Airbus springt in Spanien auf den Hürjet-Zug auf - Aerobuzz.de

Nachdem das Airbus-Projekt AFJT eines leichten Jet-Trainers bislang nicht über das Konzept-Stadium hinaus gekommen ist, hat der Hersteller für die Ausschreibung der spanischen Luftstreitkräfte eine Vereinbarung mit dem türkischen Konzern TUSAŞ (Turkish Aerospace Industries) geschlossen, deren...

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[Sanchez]

"The two companies signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on May 14 at the Feindef defense exhibition in Madrid. Under the arrangement, Airbus will lead—as national industry coordinator—a team of Spanish companies to adapt the platform to meet the Spanish Air Force’s Advanced Jet Trainer Aircraft and Integrated Training System - Combat (ITS-C) program.

Other companies involved include Aciturri, Aernnova, Aertec, Airtificial, Amper, Centum, Cesa, Clue, GMV, Grabysur, Indra, ITP Aero, Grupo Oesía, Orbital and Sener....

Airbus states that the project will not only support the modernization of the Spanish Air Force, but also nationalize the country’s flight training system, strengthen Spain’s national industry and reinforce defense ties between Spain and Turkey—which were illustrated by the significant presence of Turkish companies at this year’s edition of Feindef.

The project also aims to “meet the challenges posed by the growing operational demand for modern training aircraft,” Airbus said...."

Airbus, Turkish Aerospace Team Up On Hurjet For Spain | Aviation Week Network

Airbus will support TAI in developing the Hurjet to meet a requirement to replace the Spanish Air Force's Northrop SF-5 lead-in fighter training aircraft.

aviationweek.com

 

[I_Love_F16]

"The two companies signed a memorandum of understanding (MOU) on May 14 at the Feindef defense exhibition in Madrid. Under the arrangement, Airbus will lead—as national industry coordinator—a team of Spanish companies to adapt the platform to meet the Spanish Air Force’s Advanced Jet Trainer Aircraft and Integrated Training System - Combat (ITS-C) program.

Other companies involved include Aciturri, Aernnova, Aertec, Airtificial, Amper, Centum, Cesa, Clue, GMV, Grabysur, Indra, ITP Aero, Grupo Oesía, Orbital and Sener....

Airbus states that the project will not only support the modernization of the Spanish Air Force, but also nationalize the country’s flight training system, strengthen Spain’s national industry and reinforce defense ties between Spain and Turkey—which were illustrated by the significant presence of Turkish companies at this year’s edition of Feindef.

The project also aims to “meet the challenges posed by the growing operational demand for modern training aircraft,” Airbus said...."

Airbus, Turkish Aerospace Team Up On Hurjet For Spain | Aviation Week Network

Airbus will support TAI in developing the Hurjet to meet a requirement to replace the Spanish Air Force's Northrop SF-5 lead-in fighter training aircraft.

aviationweek.com

I’m wondering what TAI is actually gaining in this project ? As I understand it, we are not really ‘’exporting or selling’’ Hurjet, but, sharing the design with them so they can modify it and adapt it for their needs. So this project is about ‘’europeanizing’’ Hurjet, like you rightfully stated before.

But concretely, what are we gaining from this ?

 

[No Name]

I’m wondering what TAI is actually gaining in this project ? As I understand it, we are not really ‘’exporting or selling’’ Hurjet, but, sharing the design with them so they can modify it and adapt it for their needs. So this project is about ‘’europeanizing’’ Hurjet, like you rightfully stated before.

But concretely, what are we gaining from this ?

Royalties, reputation and probably an opening to sell the KAAN as well as the loyal wingman program sometime in the future.

The Hurjet and Anka 3 have already been integrated, thus Spain may be forced into buying Turkish drone systems to train in joint fighter jet and unmanned drone operations. This will increase the chances of them buying the KAAN, thus integrating them into the Turkish aviation ecosystem, at least that is what I believe to be the case. I would love to hear if other community members have a better take.

I should also point out that it might also be Turkey's way of rewarding Spain for being Turkey's biggest Ally within NATO, as Spain helped develop Turkey's naval programs.

 

[Sanchez]

I’m wondering what TAI is actually gaining in this project ? As I understand it, we are not really ‘’exporting or selling’’ Hurjet, but, sharing the design with them so they can modify it and adapt it for their needs. So this project is about ‘’europeanizing’’ Hurjet, like you rightfully stated before.

But concretely, what are we gaining from this ?

TAI is gaining a partner nation and an industry giant to further develop the platform. If Spain puts the 25 aircraft order that's mentioned, we should remember that Spain will have the largest Hürjet order on the books, not TurAF and that makes sure whatever TurAF ends up doing, Hürjet remains a viable project financially. TAI doesn't have the experience Airbus or Leonardo have in creating, maintaining and operating the training system that is needed for these aircraft by itself. Spain wants industry participation as it needs its own companies to make money and thrive.

Production model is not yet made public. I've seen reported that at least some of the Spanish Hürjets would still be built by TAI to Spanish specifications. We don't know if this is a Spain specific model with Spanish subsystems or a larger redesign that will be different than Hürjet to warrant a new classification.

 

[Sanchez]

Former Charles de Gaulle captain, French Navy chief and current NATO Allied Command Transformation commander admiral Vernier apparently flew with Hürjet while in Turkey for Anatolian Phoenix-25. Nice to see TAI active.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925826035246837971

 

[Fairon]

Former Charles de Gaulle captain, French Navy chief and current NATO Allied Command Transformation commander admiral Vernier apparently flew with Hürjet while in Turkey for Anatolian Phoenix-25. Nice to see TAI active.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925826035246837971

Sooo, Hürjet with Snecma M88 option when?

 

[Merzifonlu]

I prefer EJ200 for Hürjet.

 

[Spitfire9]

I prefer EJ200 for Hürjet.

Big difference in thrust between the F404, M-88 and EJ200. While I see the interest in a non-US engine, would EJ200 (60kN dry, 90kN wet) not be much more powerful than necessary? The F404 used produces 53kN dry, 78kN wet. I think that M-88 thrust (around 50kN dry, 75kN wet) makes it a better substitute for F404. No idea about how easily it would fit, though.

Still, there is considerable political risk with the US as a supplier now. It might be wise - once it is established that Hurjet is competitive - to look at adapting it to use a non-US engine.

 

[Sanchez]

Big difference in thrust between the F404, M-88 and EJ200. While I see the interest in a non-US engine, would EJ200 (60kN dry, 90kN wet) not be much more powerful than necessary? The F404 used produces 53kN dry, 78kN wet. I think that M-88 thrust (around 50kN dry, 75kN wet) makes it a better substitute for F404. No idea about how easily it would fit, though.

Still, there is considerable political risk with the US as a supplier now. It might be wise - once it is established that Hurjet is competitive - to look at adapting it to use a non-US engine.

Multiple things to consider here re future of Hürjet and its engine.

EJ200 makes sense as it's ITAR free and many of the target customers do operate EJ200. It's also more expensive and more expensive to run. And it would have to be developed as a single engine instead of a twin as well with added costs, presumably requiring an updated FADEC? But EJ200 is not new to Hürjet, during early development phase, it was a pick between F404 and EJ200.

M-88 has the lowest chance of being chosen, I think. For one, much less of the target users use it, second, France is not seen as a reliable defence partner, especially in supplying engines. This may or may not change in the future. If France was to join the project, it's not impossible. France still doesn't have a viable replacement for its Alpha Jets. Airbus now is part of Hürjet for Spanish needs and an Alpha Jet replacement would undoubtedly also include Airbus. They had very early talks for a Spanish/UK/French replacement trainer. Now one of those countries is on the verge of ordering Hürjet, while the second is seen as a possible future user by some, including me.

Another possibility is a local engine. While this sounds very nice, it's not even a thing yet, Baykar's 20K thrust future engine is for drones, not trainer jets. It is an engine that does not yet exist and would offput potential users, who want a ready, reliable, certified engine.

F404 still remains the most safest bet. It is the most produced, cheapest and safest of all the other options. US had no problems supplying engines for Nigerian T129s and if it's a joint project and not a tender where T-7 is a competitor, export licenses to European countries looking to buy Hürjets with F404s would go past State Dept without any issues. It also still gives US some level of control over its allies, which they like to have.

I talked about a "EuroJet" with EJ200 in the past. If the said countries join the fray, I don't see why it would not be viable.

 

[TheInsider]

Hurjet will also have an armed and a naval version. IMHO, armed Hurjet and naval Hurjet need a stronger engine ,either F414 or EJ200 can be candidates in this regard, until Baykar's 20000lb engine comes into the equation.

 

[Strong AI]

Is the current engine of Hürjet suitable, if you would want to make something like a EA-18 Growler out of Hürjet?

Turns out bigger EW pods have their own power generation system.

Ram Air Turbine Generator on AN/ALQ-99

Power Generation System in AN/ALQ-249 Next Generation Jammer Mid-Band (NGJ-MB)

 

[Oublious]

 

[Zafer]

So Navy wants 40+ Hürjet for carriers