TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[Zafer]

Obviously it is not the Turkish Hürjet but still if the American trainer does not happen Turkish trainer can happen to America.

 

[Khagan1923]

That's what I meant by "worked with TAI almost 10 years ago", there is nothing to indicate that this proposal has anything to do with Hürjet or TAI, or, we get anything out of it whatsoever. It is completely unrelated on the face of it.

SNC's Freedom Jet Enters Race To Replace Navy's T-45 Goshawk Trainer

SNC is pitching a trainer that is capable of doing carrier touch-and-goes, a requirement the Navy had controversially axed.

www.twz.com

SNC originally began development of the Freedom design in cooperation with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI, and also abbreviated TUSAS in Turkish), but has been working on it independently for some years now.

 

[Strong AI]

The unique offspring of the skies, HÜRJET, has successfully passed another strategic milestone in its certification journey.

The Design Organization Approval (DOA) and Production Organization Approval (POA) certificates signify the registration of our national aviation vision at international standards.

Göklerin özgün evladı HÜRJET, sertifikasyon yolculuğunda stratejik bir eşiği daha başarıyla geride bırakmıştır. ✈️🇹🇷 Ta…

Haluk Görgün - NSosyal

sosyal.teknofest.app

 

[Sanchez]

Spain is planning to buy up to 45 Hürjets. Not clear if some of it will be options or not.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970784552651288770

 

[Sanchez]

Spain is planning to buy up to 45 Hürjets. Not clear if some of it will be options or not.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970784552651288770

Aircraft will be built by TAI in Turkey and modified by Airbus in Spain. Deliveries will start in 2028 with first units being ready for 2029-30 training period.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970794949995061469

 

[Numberone]

I dont see US delivering the engines, not happening anytime soon.

 

[Strong AI]

Aircraft will be built by TAI in Turkey and modified by Airbus in Spain. Deliveries will start in 2028 with first units being ready for 2029-30 training period.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970794949995061469

Signing of final agreement for export to Spain is expected in end of September or in October.
30+ Hürjets will be exported.
There will be three phases.
First phase is that TAI will build like 15-20 Hürjets without any changes to avionics (turkish avionics).
Second phase will be that the rest will be build with spanish avionics (i think he means too that the planes will be build in spain).
Last phase is that the previously build Hürjets, from the first phase, will get spanish avionics too.

 

[Sanchez]

Interview with TAI CEO.

Signing of final agreement for export to Spain is expected in end of September or in October.
30+ Hürjets will be exported.
There will be three phases.
First phase is that TAI will build like 15-20 Hürjets without any changes to avionics (turkish avionics).
Second phase will be that the rest will be build with spanish avionics (i think he means too that the planes will be build in spain).
Last phase is that the previously build Hürjets, from the first phase, will get spanish avionics too.

At like 6:00 min

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948278158190362665

Spanish document mentions aircraft being built in Turkey and then being modified to Spanish needs, rather than different blocks having different equipment.

One thing I like is that 45 number probably means Spanish acroteam Patrulla Aguila will be returning with Hürjets. They were finally retired after 40 years last June. Original mentioned number was up to 55 aircraft.
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"The 45 Hürjets, although mentioned for the first time, coincide with what was discussed in the AFJT. As we already published in @AvionRevueInt, this figure is in line with the requirements of ALA23, GRUEMA, ÁGUILA, and CLAEX, with Ala 23 surely also carrying out OPFOR missions in TLP and other exercises. AFJT 2.0. "

ALA23 is Spanish Air Force's main LIFT wing(like 121 Arı), majority would go there. GRUEMA is another training squadron, also acting like a reserve squadron. Aguila is the acroteam, while the CLAEX is the weapons and training test squadron, bit similar to our 401.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970811791132537239

 

[begturan]

TEI Chairman Fahrettin Öztürk announced:

HÜRJET engine approval officially received
In his statement on the matter, Fahrettin Öztürk stated, "We had submitted engine permit requests to the US Congress for both the HÜRJET and the KAAN. We have received our engine permit for the HÜRJET, and it has been completed. As you know, that is the F404 engine," confirming that a significant obstacle has been overcome for the mass production phase of the project.

This development eliminates the uncertainty surrounding the integration and mass production of General Electric's F404 turbofan engines onto the HÜRJET platform.

Process continues for the KAAN project
It was emphasized that the process for the KAAN, a fifth-generation fighter jet project intended to be Türkiye's most strategic asset in the skies, is being closely monitored.

Öztürk stated that the Congressional approval process for the engines to be used in the mass production models of KAAN, which performed its prototype flights with General Electric F110 engines, also used in F-16s, is ongoing, and emphasized that the outlook is not pessimistic.

HÜRJET’in motorları onaylandı, KAAN’da “reddedilme yok”

Türk savunma sanayiinin en iddialı projelerinden HÜRJET ve KAAN'a güç verecek motorların tedarik sürecine ilişkin kritik bilgiler, sektörün üst düzey bir isminden geldi.

gdh.digital

In this case, we will be able to see the Hürjet, Kızılelma and Anka 3 in the inventory in the coming years. He says that Kaan's engine is not a negative situation for the F110, the process is continuing ...

 

[King_West]

The only way we can become self sustainable is by working together with the Saudis and Pakistan etc. A nation of 80 million cannot produce everything alone.

 

[Zafer]

The only way we can become self sustainable is by working together with the Saudis and Pakistan etc. A nation of 80 million cannot produce everything alone.

We only need 93% self reliance while we are at 83% now. We can use support to make another 10% progress.

 

[Strong AI]

TEI Chairman Fahrettin Öztürk announced:

HÜRJET engine approval officially received
In his statement on the matter, Fahrettin Öztürk stated, "We had submitted engine permit requests to the US Congress for both the HÜRJET and the KAAN. We have received our engine permit for the HÜRJET, and it has been completed. As you know, that is the F404 engine," confirming that a significant obstacle has been overcome for the mass production phase of the project.

This development eliminates the uncertainty surrounding the integration and mass production of General Electric's F404 turbofan engines onto the HÜRJET platform.

Process continues for the KAAN project
It was emphasized that the process for the KAAN, a fifth-generation fighter jet project intended to be Türkiye's most strategic asset in the skies, is being closely monitored.

Öztürk stated that the Congressional approval process for the engines to be used in the mass production models of KAAN, which performed its prototype flights with General Electric F110 engines, also used in F-16s, is ongoing, and emphasized that the outlook is not pessimistic.

HÜRJET’in motorları onaylandı, KAAN’da “reddedilme yok”

Türk savunma sanayiinin en iddialı projelerinden HÜRJET ve KAAN'a güç verecek motorların tedarik sürecine ilişkin kritik bilgiler, sektörün üst düzey bir isminden geldi.

gdh.digital

In this case, we will be able to see the Hürjet, Kızılelma and Anka 3 in the inventory in the coming years. He says that Kaan's engine is not a negative situation for the F110, the process is continuing ...

I think the contract with Spain played a big role here too. Let's see if we can get engines for the armed version later too.

 

[Pokemonte13]

The only way we can become self sustainable is by working together with the Saudis and Pakistan etc. A nation of 80 million cannot produce everything alone.

I mean most Muslim nations are from a technology perspective behind turkey there are some exceptions like Iran with its ballistic missiles program and that’s just because of the range of the missiles. Another would be Pakistan because of their nuclear weapons program but the moment we start our own nuclear weapons program we’ll get hit with sanctions.

 

[Yasar_TR]

TEI Chairman Fahrettin Öztürk announced:

HÜRJET engine approval officially received
In his statement on the matter, Fahrettin Öztürk stated, "We had submitted engine permit requests to the US Congress for both the HÜRJET and the KAAN. We have received our engine permit for the HÜRJET, and it has been completed. As you know, that is the F404 engine," confirming that a significant obstacle has been overcome for the mass production phase of the project.

This development eliminates the uncertainty surrounding the integration and mass production of General Electric's F404 turbofan engines onto the HÜRJET platform.

Process continues for the KAAN project
It was emphasized that the process for the KAAN, a fifth-generation fighter jet project intended to be Türkiye's most strategic asset in the skies, is being closely monitored.

Öztürk stated that the Congressional approval process for the engines to be used in the mass production models of KAAN, which performed its prototype flights with General Electric F110 engines, also used in F-16s, is ongoing, and emphasized that the outlook is not pessimistic.

HÜRJET’in motorları onaylandı, KAAN’da “reddedilme yok”

Türk savunma sanayiinin en iddialı projelerinden HÜRJET ve KAAN'a güç verecek motorların tedarik sürecine ilişkin kritik bilgiler, sektörün üst düzey bir isminden geldi.

gdh.digital

In this case, we will be able to see the Hürjet, Kızılelma and Anka 3 in the inventory in the coming years. He says that Kaan's engine is not a negative situation for the F110, the process is continuing ...

If this announcement is being made by "TEI" chairman, then TEI is to produce these engines under licence. At least that will give good control over the engine supply.
I wonder if we can do a "Gokbey" on them and use these engines for larger Anka3 drones?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

The only way we can become self sustainable is by working together with the Saudis and Pakistan etc. A nation of 80 million cannot produce everything alone.

really? do u know military projects of other nations some less than 80 million ? Like S korea , Taiwan ?
France , UK ?

 

[Strong AI]

If this announcement is being made by "TEI" chairman, then TEI is to produce these engines under licence. At least that will give good control over the engine supply.
I wonder if we can do a "Gokbey" on them and use these engines for larger Anka3 drones?

Interesting perspective

 

[Huelague]

really? do u know military projects of other nations some less than 80 million ? Like S korea , Taiwan ?
France , UK ?

...Germany.

 

[King_West]

...Germany.

really? do u know military projects of other nations some less than 80 million ? Like S korea , Taiwan ?
France , UK ?

None of these countries are truly self-sufficient. Just look at the current difficulties between France and Germany regarding the sixth-generation fighter project. All of the countries mentioned rely on cooperation to varying degrees. There are plenty of examples, including Japan, which has increasingly pursued international partnerships in defense technology. And they certainly don’t do this out of affection for one another, but because the complexity, costs, and strategic risks of modern defense projects make cooperation unavoidable.


A good illustration of this is the GCAP (Global Combat Air Programme) involving the UK, Italy, and Japan. Similarly, South Korea has worked closely with the US and other partners in the development of advanced systems, while France, despite its ambitions for strategic autonomy, often depends on European partners for large-scale projects. The UK has also historically shared development and production responsibilities with allies, from joint missile systems with France to aircraft cooperation with the US.


As for Taiwan—how could it possibly be considered self-sufficient? While it does produce certain defense systems domestically, such as missiles and naval platforms, it remains heavily dependent on the United States for advanced fighter aircraft, missile defense systems, and critical technologies. Without external support, Taiwan would not be able to maintain a credible defense posture against the threats it faces.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

None of these countries are truly self-sufficient. Just look at the current difficulties between France and Germany regarding the sixth-generation fighter project. All of the countries mentioned rely on cooperation to varying degrees. There are plenty of examples, including Japan, which has increasingly pursued international partnerships in defense technology. And they certainly don’t do this out of affection for one another, but because the complexity, costs, and strategic risks of modern defense projects make cooperation unavoidable.


A good illustration of this is the GCAP (Global Combat Air Programme) involving the UK, Italy, and Japan. Similarly, South Korea has worked closely with the US and other partners in the development of advanced systems, while France, despite its ambitions for strategic autonomy, often depends on European partners for large-scale projects. The UK has also historically shared development and production responsibilities with allies, from joint missile systems with France to aircraft cooperation with the US.


As for Taiwan—how could it possibly be considered self-sufficient? While it does produce certain defense systems domestically, such as missiles and naval platforms, it remains heavily dependent on the United States for advanced fighter aircraft, missile defense systems, and critical technologies. Without external support, Taiwan would not be able to maintain a credible defense posture against the threats it faces.

Search for Hai Kun-class submarine 70 meter submarine . They may ask for help but doesnt mean anything , everyone asks for help in some degree.

TK-4 anti-ballistic missile

AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo
(US refused to sell f16 because of china pressure ) What they beautiful amazing aircraft they produce

(And those are just from small island taiwan with aroumd 23 million people that isnt even a full UN country but just island of Mainlamd china .
And not to look at South Korea arsenal .
Of course they may asks for help but doesnt mean they cant produce themselfs just as Turkiye did ...

 

[King_West]

Search for Hai Kun-class submarine 70 meter submarine . They may ask for help but doesnt mean anything , everyone asks for help in some degree.
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TK-4 anti-ballistic missile

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AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo
(US refused to sell f16 because of china pressure ) What they beautiful amazing aircraft they produce
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(And those are just from small island taiwan with aroumd 23 million people that isnt even a full UN country but just island of Mainlamd china .
And not to look at South Korea arsenal .
Of course they may asks for help but doesnt mean they cant produce themselfs just as Turkiye did ...

You’re misunderstanding my point. I never claimed Taiwan was incapable of producing anything.

But “being capable of producing some systems” is not the same as self-sufficiency.

• Hai Kun-class submarine: Taiwan built the hull and integrated systems, but around 60% of the material content is still foreign: German diesel engines, U.S. combat systems, torpedoes, periscopes, etc. Without that foreign support, the project would not exist in its current form.
• F-CK-1 fighter: Airframe and avionics are domestic, but the jet engines required foreign cooperation. And even now, Taiwan continues to depend on U.S. aircraft (F-16s) to anchor its air force. If foreign countries block transfers during a conflict, Taiwan wont be able to make a single jet.
• TK-4: Designed locally, but advanced seekers, radar tech, and even propellants come from abroad.

This is exactly my point: nobody is self-sufficient, not France, not Germany, not Japan and certainly not Taiwan. Cooperation, imports, and tech transfers are the rule, not the exception.