Defence Fair IDEF 2021 News & Discussion Updates

[Sinan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1426633237066039296

Pretty sure because of industrial espionage. Random people entering taking picture of everything, enough to copy it, try to take word out of representatives mouths etc. Good decision

Be at ease. They are mostly showcasing mock-ups. Especially for the missiles. They even manufacture the glass parts in different thickness from the original.

 

[Hexciter]

Bombus 12.7: A Gunpod

 

[Turko]

It happened yesterday i guess when ukranian official (vice prime minister) visited stm's stand, if there has been any ukranian media reporter it would definitely make its way to the news right ?

IDEF 2021: Ukraine, Turkey discuss cooperation in aviation and space industries

At the IDEF 2021 International Defence Industry Fair, Ukraine and Turkey have discussed cooperation between the two countries in the aviation and space industries. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

I have strong feeling about that Ukraine will buy F-16s as The Ukrainian delegation was very interested in TEI-GE corporation.

 

[Fachfouch]

anyone seen the Tunisian delegation anywhere ?

some reports says they've been interested in armored vehicles but I don't know which one and I can't confirm if this true

 

[Huelague]

Houston! We had a problem!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428659297261703173

Which problem?

 

[Hexciter]

Which problem?

 

[Hexciter]

One of the most innovative products at the fair is the x3 x4 sight with integrated laser range finder of SME scale OPSIN Company. This type of thing would pave the way for smart infantry weapons.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428787084534374401

 

[Abdelaziz]

 

[Stuka]

I think many people were asking about Milux OY and the armor steel production in Manisa. Well here is the Answer.



Miilux OY, which produces Turkey's armor steel, was awarded by ASELSAN, Turkey's pioneer and locomotive company in defense technologies, at the IDEF'21 International Defense Industry Fair for its contributions to the "Nationalization Project". Miilux OY, which produces armor steel and wear-resistant steel with an annual capacity of 38 thousand tons, aims to reduce Turkey's dependence on abroad.

Miilux OY, which started its activities with the establishment of Turkey's first and only flat steel heat treatment factory in Manisa in 2019, in line with OYAK's vision of producing Turkey's domestic armor steel, continues its activities to meet Turkey's armor steel needs today.

> 38.000 Tons annual armor steel Production Capacity by OYAK

 

[Abdelaziz]

I think many people were asking about Milux OY and the armor steel production in Manisa. Well here is the Answer.

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Miilux OY, which produces Turkey's armor steel, was awarded by ASELSAN, Turkey's pioneer and locomotive company in defense technologies, at the IDEF'21 International Defense Industry Fair for its contributions to the "Nationalization Project". Miilux OY, which produces armor steel and wear-resistant steel with an annual capacity of 38 thousand tons, aims to reduce Turkey's dependence on abroad.

Miilux OY, which started its activities with the establishment of Turkey's first and only flat steel heat treatment factory in Manisa in 2019, in line with OYAK's vision of producing Turkey's domestic armor steel, continues its activities to meet Turkey's armor steel needs today.

> 38.000 Tons annual armor steel Production Capacity by OYAK

It saved the military industry from a crises ..i read before that their were s serious troubles with procurement of armoured steel after embargoes applied

 

[Spook]

Be at ease. They are mostly showcasing mock-ups. Especially for the missiles. They even manufacture the glass parts in different thickness from the original.

Mock-Ups can minimize photo issue. Ok. Taking words out of mouth. Like part producing company owner/representative can reveal that they are building parts for a project shouldn't be public. So many ways to do it. Impossible to avoid because of human factor but can be minimized to an certain extent.

 

[Isa Khan]

Does anyone have more details about this?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Does anyone have more details about this?

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[Anmdt]

Does anyone have more details about this?

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Multi-purpose attack craft from STM
Some rumours it is the new FAC for Turkish navy, it is unclear yet. Some says it can be equipped with air defence systems as per request.

TN has a request for low-RCS and this one seems to be defying that.

45 knots maximum speed, codag+ waterjet, 65 meters, x-dar x band search radar. These are pretty much same as the Turkish FAC. The difference could be on the supper structure then.

 

[Stimpy75]

İ doctored it a bit to make it better readable

 

[Turko]

Which problem?

There is an adhesive tape. Look carefully.

 

[Combat-Master]

Idealab's IL1600 jet engine seen, visitors interested

 

[Bogeyman]

Idealab's IL1600 jet engine seen, visitors interested
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1427988723644440580

Concept platform with 180kg weight and 1.1 mach speed at sea level using IL1600 engine

 

[Anmdt]

Is it over? Will anyone visit today? Looks like it's the last day. Is it possible to get answers of these questions?

• Did Khulna Shipyard from BD participate this time? If yes, what's the update on the new shipyard in Taltali, Borguna and two new ASW LPCs?
• Which Turkish company is participating in our LPC project? Which design they are offering?
• Is any Turkish company participating in our OPV project? Which design they are offering?
• Is any Turkish company participating in our frigate project? Which design they are offering?
• Did AMT really supply design for BN's diving boat? Need to clear the confusion.
• What will BD get under the MoU with Roketsan?
• What did Bangladesh Army delegation discuss with ASFAT in IDEF 2021?
• What did Bangladesh Coast Guard delegation discuss with SEFT in IDEF 2021?
• Did Bangladesh Army only opt TRG-300 or did they opt any other caliber? Need to confirm.
• Any update on buying Hisar SAM and UAV/UCAV by Bangladesh Army?
• Is Bangladesh Army buying 105mm howitzer and attack helicopter?

Which one will be used for naval platform? When will it come into service?

For LPC, to my understanding both Asfat and Tais made offers and STM did not.

For OPV all three , Asfat, Tais and STM has made offers. Typically Asfat offers it from Ada class design, while TAIS offers a new design and STM offers their existing, based on Ada class design.

For frigate the only adress for now is STM or Asfat, imo there has been talks with both of them.

About the diver support boat, i couldn't get any replies from AMT and my contact doesn't work in there anymore, when double checked from Turkish Lloyd that is being the certifier of the design as expected, also i couldn't get anything. Could any other certification society might be doing it as requested by Bangladesh in case of the design being fed from AMT? For now there are no clues about AMT is working with Bangladesh.

Seft offers variety of platforms (and being primary design office of TAIS) , could be linked to TAIS' offers. They are also the designer of MOSHIP submarine rescue that is on the table currently. They also created different concepts on submarine rescue, rescue and towing ship and ocean tugboat designs. Thinking loud out, if CG is in need of emergency rescue vessel or anything in that auxillary class Seft is a good adress.

We can guess what did they discuss, ASFAT made offer in all those warship projects.

For the rest i don't have any information or knowledge to make comments on.

 

[Pilatino]

TF-2000 is now in 8500 DWT and carries Nazar weapons and Gezgin missiles.
Although there are 3 types of radar on the pictures. The illumination radar is not mentioned in the text.
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Kalkan Milli Dikey Atım Sistemi ? We know Midlas but what's this, guys? Maybe we'll use Midlas for offensive missiles and Kalkan for hisar and siper like defensive ones?