Defence Fair IDEF 2025 News & Discussion Updates

[hugh]

Can't see it because live stream is now talking about something else

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948720848614887508

 

[Strong AI]

It says liquid fuel, so it is not gel based fuel, right?

 

[Strong AI]

For those who want to watch the reveal, go to 4:02:00.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948653593461952848

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948726996361458166

They finally unveiled (not so much of an unveiling buuuuuut anyway) GÖKHAN

 

[Pokemonte13]

What’s now the difference between gökhan and Gökbora in capability

 

[Strong AI]

What’s now the difference between gökhan and Gökbora in capability

Well, basically dimensions, range and fuel, but we will never know the real values. Actually i don't have any values about Gökhan, did any site post them already?

 

[Ahlatshah]

Half of Europe united and created 1 ramjet AA missile, we on ourselves created 2 ramjet AA missiles: Gokbora and Gokhan

This is not small UAVs like Baykar and Tusaş making almost identical ones, like Kalkan and others. There may be export consideration.

But we are talking about extremely expensive programs. I dont like this duality and lack of planning

 

[Shtr]

They told we will increase the target distance to compete with rivals. They did not tell anything about current situation. I understand this explanation as we fucked up. All projects do not need to be successful but this is an exception. I guess Roketsan will complete its project faster than this.

 

[TheInsider]

Gökhan will have 2 variants. The first variant will have a comparable/slightly longer range than Meteor(but it will arrive that range a lot faster than meteor which is highly important in A-A warfare). The second extended range variant will be comparable to Chinese and American super-long-range AA missiles. Gökhan has SAGE proprietary liquid/gel ramjet propulsion tech and fuel formula that is the fruit of extensive R&D. Gökhan aims to combine the advantages of solid fuel rocket motor AA missiles and ramjet AA missiles. Rocket accelerate faster and has a higher top speed, while ramjet offers more endurance.

 

[Strong AI]

What we already expected is happening

Cooperation in the Supersonic Anti-Ship Guided Missile Project

TÜBİTAK SAGE and ROKETSAN have signed a cooperation agreement for the development of a liquid-fueled ramjet propulsion system for the Supersonic Anti-Ship Guided Missile Project.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948730661839257947

 

[Strong AI]

Please economy don't fck up, please...

 

[Shtr]

Tests will start this year. I hope we are not in a better position than I previously wrote.

 

[Strong AI]

I hope we are not in a better position than I previously wrote.

What?

 

[mTT]

Can't see it because live stream is now talking about something else

GÖKHAN from TÜBİTAK SAGE!

A contract amendment was signed to increase the range and capabilities of the national ramjet-powered air-to-air missile (GÖKHAN) development project, and a contract was signed for the development of a long-range GÖKHAN.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948720658873024766

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948738935271632963

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948729405347438726

 

[Yasar_TR]

It says liquid fuel, so it is not gel based fuel, right?

Liquid fuelled ramjet would be most useless as an a2a missile.
Liquid fuel is hard to keep. You need to prepare it just before using it. You can’t keep it in the missile and store it.
Most importantly there are certain particles that are added to the fuel to improve burn characteristics. With liquid fuel these particles will sink to the bottom and be useless.
Both of these are no problem with solid fuel. It can be stored well and particles can be mixed evenly.

So you need gel form liquid fuel. Particles are mixed evenly and the fuel can be stored without problems. In essence it acts like solid fuel.
most importantly because it is liquid gel, it can be injected in to combustion chamber in a regulated manner. Faster and more fuel; slower then less fuel.
But you need a separate fuel tank for gel based liquid fuel.

the biggest handicap of solid fuel, is the fuel regulation. I had explained this before.

 

[Strong AI]

Liquid fuelled ramjet would be most useless as an a2a missile.
Liquid fuel is hard to keep. You need to prepare it just before using it. You can’t keep it in the missile and store it.
Most importantly there are certain particles that anre added to the fuel to improve burn characteristics. With liquid fuel these particles will sink to the bottom and be useless.
Both of these are no problem with solid fuel. It can be stored well and particles can be mixed evenly.

So you need gel form liquid fuel. Particles are mixed evenly and the fuel can be stored without problems. In essence it acts like solid fuel.
most importantly because it is liquid gel, it can be injected in to combustion chamber in a regulated manner. Faster and more fuel; slower then less fuel.
But you need a separate fuel tank for gel based liquid fuel.

That is the biggest handicap of solid fuel, is the fuel regulation. I UAV explained this before.

Yeah, i asked because in the official video afaik it only says "sıvı yakıt" (liquid fuel)

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yeah, i asked because in the official video afaik it only says "sıvı yakıt" (liquid fuel)

I know. It is in reality a form of liquid fuel. But to overcome the difficulties of the liquid fuel, they use gel form. Onyx/Brahmos use the same type of gel form liquid fuel.

 

[TheInsider]

Gel is technically liquid, so no mistake calling it a liquid fuel ramjet.

 

[CAN_TR]

What is PAVO group? Can anyone shed some light on this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948717997528404446

Solutions

pavo-group.com

 

[Shtr]