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[Spitfire9]

How can majority of Turks see Erdogan as the worst president and yet they voted for him just about two years ago? If anything, Turkiye's economy has improved since then. Inflation has been falling for 9 straight months.

You can be elected, govern badly and lose popularity. You can be unlucky with factors beyond your control creating problems (2008 WFC, covid pandemic, natural disaster hits your country). Those things cost popularity.

Inflation in Turkey? IIRC Erdogan wanted low interest rates. Inflation spiralled. Eventually someone competent was appointed to manage inflation. Since then inflation has fallen. No credit is due to Erdogan for reducing inflation.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Why is it so that there are always people from Islamic countries who want’s Turkiye to become Islamic like their own countries ? Why do they want the Turks to help and lead the Islamic world when we Turks have already a lot of problems in our own country, especially when we have a wannabee dictator as a president ?

 

[ADMusa]

You can be elected, govern badly and lose popularity. You can be unlucky with factors beyond your control creating problems (2008 WFC, covid pandemic, natural disaster hits your country). Those things cost popularity.

Inflation in Turkey? IIRC Erdogan wanted low interest rates. Inflation spiralled. Eventually someone competent was appointed to manage inflation. Since then inflation has fallen. No credit is due to Erdogan for reducing inflation.

Who put that guy incharge of the Central Bank?
Inflation in Turkiye is due to Western economic attacks. It's very straightforward to figure out. Contrast Erdogan's performance a decade or so ago and his performance today. He literally built todays mordern prosperous Turkiye. Opponets will always look for excuses to demonize him by whatever means necessary.
Besides, interest rate hikes are just a temporary remedy.
The West is attacking Turkiye's economy to help the opposition. Millions of Turks are aware of this. That why they continue to support him.
One of you pals here said his popularity is sagging. I don't believe in political polls anymore. They got things wrong so many times. From Hillary Clinton to Doland Trum, Joe Biden, Kamala Haris, and even Erdogan, the polls have been wrong too many times.
Turkiye will still go back to low interest rates as long as the AKP is in power. That'll happen when Erdogan achieves a certain degree of success re-orienting the Turkish economy towards Asia and Africa. Turkiye's economy is still standing because of Erdogan's resilience, otherwise the West would have destroyed it to pave way for the opposition to take over.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Why is it so that there are always people from Islamic countries who want’s Turkiye to become Islamic like their own countries ? Why do they want the Turks to help and lead the Islamic world when we Turks have already a lot of problems in our own country, especially when we have a wannabee dictator as a president ?

So that Türkiye comes down to their worthless countries level.

 

[TR_123456]

Why is it so that there are always people from Islamic countries who want’s Turkiye to become Islamic like their own countries ? Why do they want the Turks to help and lead the Islamic world when we Turks have already a lot of problems in our own country, especially when we have a wannabee dictator as a president ?

His country is not islamic,



Nigerian politics takes place within a framework of a federal and presidential republic and a representative democracy, in which the president holds executive power. Legislative power is held by the federal government and the two chambers of the legislature: the House of Representatives and the Senate.

 

[Ripley]

Who put that guy incharge of the Central Bank?
Inflation in Turkiye is due to Western economic attacks. It's very straightforward to figure out. Contrast Erdogan's performance a decade or so ago and his performance today. He literally built todays mordern prosperous Turkiye.

I would really like to hear your explanation on how the West insurgency exactly increased inflation in Turkey, if you don’t mind.

 

[what]

While even the strongest Turkish AKP defenders have fled the scene we must now also deal with foreign Erdoganists. Clearly ADMusa has all the answers /s.

 

[Bogeyman]

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen convicted of corruption, barred from seeking office for 5 years​

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen on Monday was barred from seeking political office for five years after being convicted in a corruption case.

A Paris court sentenced the French far-right leader, 56, who was the front-runner in the 2027 presidential election, to four years in prison -- half of it suspended, while two years could be served under surveillance wearing an ankle bracelet. She was also fined €100,000 (around $108,000).

Le Pen’s National Rally party was also ordered to pay a fine of €2 million.

Her lawyer, Rodolphe Bosselut, said they would appeal. "This is totally, absolutely incredible. There is a form of criminalization of the right to defense, which I personally find extremely scandalous,” he added.

Le Pen and other party members were found guilty of diverting more than 4 million euros ($4.33 million) of European Parliament funds. They were accused of using EU funds to the benefit of their party.

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen convicted of corruption, barred from seeking office for 5 years

56 year-old chief of National Rally sentenced to 4 years in prison, fined €100,000 - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1906688239806652905

Did someone really say that Türkiye is governed by a dictatorship and that it has become a paradise of democracy in Europe?

"Liberal hypocrisy"

Hmmmm I really like this concept.

 

[Joe mark]

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen convicted of corruption, barred from seeking office for 5 years​

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen on Monday was barred from seeking political office for five years after being convicted in a corruption case.

A Paris court sentenced the French far-right leader, 56, who was the front-runner in the 2027 presidential election, to four years in prison -- half of it suspended, while two years could be served under surveillance wearing an ankle bracelet. She was also fined €100,000 (around $108,000).

Le Pen’s National Rally party was also ordered to pay a fine of €2 million.

Her lawyer, Rodolphe Bosselut, said they would appeal. "This is totally, absolutely incredible. There is a form of criminalization of the right to defense, which I personally find extremely scandalous,” he added.

Le Pen and other party members were found guilty of diverting more than 4 million euros ($4.33 million) of European Parliament funds. They were accused of using EU funds to the benefit of their party.

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen convicted of corruption, barred from seeking office for 5 years

56 year-old chief of National Rally sentenced to 4 years in prison, fined €100,000 - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1906688239806652905

Did someone really say that Türkiye is governed by a dictatorship and that it has become a paradise of democracy in Europe?

"Liberal hypocrisy"

Hmmmm I really like this concept.

Liberals are always subservient to the West. They will justify everything the West does, and they will criticize the same thing in their own countries.

 

[YeşilVatan]

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen convicted of corruption, barred from seeking office for 5 years​

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen on Monday was barred from seeking political office for five years after being convicted in a corruption case.

A Paris court sentenced the French far-right leader, 56, who was the front-runner in the 2027 presidential election, to four years in prison -- half of it suspended, while two years could be served under surveillance wearing an ankle bracelet. She was also fined €100,000 (around $108,000).

Le Pen’s National Rally party was also ordered to pay a fine of €2 million.

Her lawyer, Rodolphe Bosselut, said they would appeal. "This is totally, absolutely incredible. There is a form of criminalization of the right to defense, which I personally find extremely scandalous,” he added.

Le Pen and other party members were found guilty of diverting more than 4 million euros ($4.33 million) of European Parliament funds. They were accused of using EU funds to the benefit of their party.

French presidential hopeful Marine Le Pen convicted of corruption, barred from seeking office for 5 years

56 year-old chief of National Rally sentenced to 4 years in prison, fined €100,000 - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1906688239806652905

Did someone really say that Türkiye is governed by a dictatorship and that it has become a paradise of democracy in Europe?

"Liberal hypocrisy"

Hmmmm I really like this concept.

This is not the own that you think it is. If I was -god forbid- French I would be fuming about this, too.

Just because French did an idiotic thing doesn't mean what is done here in the Turkish Republic is right. We have to stop comparing ourselves to other nations, not their current state, not their past, and not their imagined past. We only compare ourselves to Atatürk's ideals and strive for them. That would be more than enough for us to perservere. I might throw in some sci-fi elements too because Heinlein has some great ideas tbh

 

[Ryder]

Marine Le Pens father was also good friends with Erbakan who is also Erdogans mentor.

Irony at its best lmaoo

 

[Tabmachine]

Marine Le Pens father was also good friends with Erbakan who is also Erdogans mentor.

Irony at its best lmaoo

They were more like frenemies, because they shared a belief in the incompatibility of the Christian and Muslim worlds.

 

[Tabmachine]

This is not the own that you think it is. If I was -god forbid- French I would be fuming about this, too.

Just because French did an idiotic thing doesn't mean what is done here in the Turkish Republic is right. We have to stop comparing ourselves to other nations, not their current state, not their past, and not their imagined past. We only compare ourselves to Atatürk's ideals and strive for them. That would be more than enough for us to perservere. I might throw in some sci-fi elements too because Heinlein has some great ideas tbh

Apply reason, and empirical investigation. Not only towards natural science, but towards society. Compare yourself currently, and Ataturks ideas, against this barometer. He did not mean to start a cult, he meant to stimulate rationality.

To replicate Ataturks achievements, the method is not to blindly follow his words, but to replicate HIS method. Which was to think freely, critically, and honestly about the world around him. If someone sat down and committed the difficult task of studying the world/ideas, questioning, and drawing conclusions independently based on objective, structured, reality-bound processes of reasoning they would be following Ataturk IMO.

The urge to just follow and not think about things, to resist that difficult and sometimes arduous process, is what prevents people from arriving at new frontiers.

 

[YeşilVatan]

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Apply reason, and empirical investigation. Not only towards natural science, but towards society. Compare yourself currently, and Ataturks ideas, against this barometer. He did not mean to start a cult, he meant to stimulate rationality.

Well rationally speaking, Atatürk's ideas hold true (Heinlein, too)

 

[Tabmachine]

Well rationally speaking, Atatürk's ideas hold true (Heinlein, too)

For example, not saying this applies to you, but I wonder how many of the people who claim to confirm Ataturks ideas on society:

Firstly, know which enlightenment era philosophers he was inspired by. Then, taking Comte as an example, who was one of the most prominent influences, actually went through the process of comparing Comte's positivist ideas to Nietschze, Weber, Durkheim, Arendt, Heidegger etc. and deciding for themselves what makes more sense.

As a science person myself, I have some partiality towards some of Comte's ideas personally. However, it is undeniable that while he has strong arguments, there are also strong contradicting arguments.

 

[TR_123456]

For example, not saying this applies to you, but I wonder how many of the people who claim to confirm Ataturks ideas on society:

Firstly, know which enlightenment era philosophers he was inspired by. Then, taking Comte as an example, who was one of the most prominent influences, actually went through the process of comparing Comte's positivist ideas to Nietschze, Weber, Durkheim, Arendt, Heidegger etc. and deciding for themselves what makes more sense.

As a science person myself, I have some partiality towards some of Comte's ideas personally. However, it is undeniable that while he has strong arguments, there are also strong contradicting arguments.

As 80% of the people do not know the names you mentioned and have no clue about what they did and stood for it is understandble that they follow Atatürks words literally as they do Erdogans words.
You need to have a base of at least 30% of the population as critical thinkers to have a chance of changing the mindset of a society.
Education alone is not enough since you are a science man you should know that.
Learning something to pass an exam or a test doesnt mean you can think for yourself,it depends on the society you grew up in.
Emperism or Nativism,i say some of both,none works alone?
How many of you does your country have?

 

[TR_123456]

As a science person myself, I have some partiality towards some of Comte's ideas personally. However, it is undeniable that while he has strong arguments, there are also strong contradicting arguments.

Dont they all have pro's and cons?

 

[Spitfire9]

Has a Eurofighter order been stalled by the Turkish government's attention being focussed on internal problems or are negotiations proceeding as they were before the civil unrest?

 

[Bogeyman]

Marine Le Pens father was also good friends with Erbakan who is also Erdogans mentor.

Irony at its best lmaoo

Let me tell you something better.


Le Pen is settling in Türkiye.

The news that Marine Le Pen, who received a 4-year prison sentence and a 5-year ban from politics, will settle in Türkiye at the beginning of the appeal process hit the political lobbies like a bombshell.

A National Union (RN) official I spoke to about the subject confirmed the information that Le Pen will settle in the villa in Antalya belonging to her sister Caroline.

Le Pen will follow the appeal process from here. The Antalya period, initially planned to be 1 year, may turn into 5 years or longer depending on the situation.

The far-right politician is a lawyer by profession. She had a Turkish partner in the law firm she worked at before entering politics.

It is known that Le Pen sold the castle-like mansions in the Brittany region, where she spent her childhood, to a Turkish businessman last year.

The family is also a secret partner in the same businessman's investment consultancy and real estate company in Türkiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1906867897005392178

 

[Sanchez]

Has a Eurofighter order been stalled by the Turkish government's attention being focussed on internal problems or are negotiations proceeding as they were before the civil unrest?

Unclear.