India India - China Relations

[Zapper]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1602306959205695497

Is it true?

Yeah it's true. Apparently two clashes took place one on Dec 9th and the other on 11th

 

[Zapper]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1602687718391095298

 

[Baryshx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1602687718391095298

China and India need to resolve their disputes. Although, this state of conflict and disagreement is in the interest of other powers, especially America.

However, Pakistan is happy with this situation.

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1603354310754021378

 

[Nilgiri]

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1606534061006393346

 

[suryakiran]

Isolated China gives up on UN listing of LeT’s Makki as global terrorist

Over the years, China has acted as an agent of Pakistan by blocking India’s efforts to get Pak based terror groups and individuals listed by the 1267 Sanctions Committee. In return, Pakistan gets the Islamic world to remain mum on atrocities against Uighur Sunni Muslims in Xinjiang province by...

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Isolated China gives up on UN listing of LeT’s Makki as global terrorist​

world news
Published on Jan 17, 2023 09:11 AM IST

Over the years, China has acted as an agent of Pakistan by blocking India’s efforts to get Pak based terror groups and individuals listed by the 1267 Sanctions Committee. In return, Pakistan gets the Islamic world to remain mum on atrocities against Uighur Sunni Muslims in Xinjiang province by the Chinese Communist Party.​

Lashkar-e-Toiba's kingpins Haifz Saeed and his brother in law Abdul Rehman Makki.


ByShishir Gupta

With India getting 14 out of 15 members of the UN Security Council on its side, China today was forced to give up the “technical” hold on the designation of Lahore-based Lashkar-e-Toiba’s deputy chief Abdul Rehman Makki as a global terrorist by the 1267 UN Sanctions committee. Brother-in-law of designated terrorist and LeT chief Hafiz Saeed, Makki used to raise funds from the Middle East for the terror group under the garb of being head of the foreign relations committee. The US Justice Department had put a bounty of USD two million on Makki’s head in November 2010.

According to diplomats based in New York, China was isolated in the UNSC over Makki as India made it clear that it would continue raising the listing of the Lashkar terrorist and the role played by China in providing cover to Pakistan-based groups till its objective was achieved. China, as a permanent UNSC member, had put a technical hold on listing Makki as a global terrorist in the 1267 committee in July 2022. India also wants 26/11 killer Sajjid Mir of LeT to be listed as a global terrorist by the same committee.

Over the years, China has virtually worked as an agent of Pakistan in the UNSC by blocking efforts made by the Narendra Modi government with its allies US and France to get Pakistan-based terrorists like Hafiz Saeed, Jaish-e-Mohammed Masood Azhar and his brother Rauf Azhar listed as global terrorists by the ISIS and Al Qaida Sanctions Committee. Despite Masood Azhar running a terror factory in Bahawalpur in Punjab and responsible for major terror attacks in India, which could have even triggered a war between the two neighbors, China blocked his designation four times before giving up. The same was the case with LeT’s Hafiz Saeed, who planned and orchestrated the 26/11 Mumbai attacks with his lieutenants Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi and Sajjid Mir with the full operational support of Pakistani intelligence. The clout of these two terrorist groups in Pakistan is such that both Saeed and Azhar are feted by the Pakistani intelligence and are considered force multipliers of the Pakistani coercive tactics against India and the west.

By designating Makki as a global terrorist and restricting his foreign travel, the LeT will face a crunch in collecting terror funds in the name of Islam from the Middle-East and in the name of flood relief. Lashkar terrorist group professes Salafi Islamic ideology and has close links with other Salafi outfits in the Middle-East like Muslim Brotherhood and other radical outfits in the region.

 

[Zapper]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630582791229575170

 

[Nilgiri]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636195044330995712

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636798263222489091

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[JOYDEEPGHOSH]

After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It​

After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It

Bhutan PM Tsering has made a statement in Germany as per which China has equal rights to decide on the future of the Doklam Plateau tri-junc...

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[Nilgiri]

After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It​

After Bhutan PM's Statement Its Time India Lets Go of Bhutan or Assimilates It

Bhutan PM Tsering has made a statement in Germany as per which China has equal rights to decide on the future of the Doklam Plateau tri-junc...

rbt-defense.blogspot.com

This approach will not be taken, why are you basing everything on one interview by their PM and giving these extreme black and white options on it.

You understand what India has invested with its diplomacy with Bhutan this long? There are plenty of options moving forward for India that do not involve any extreme approach.

 

[JOYDEEPGHOSH]

Securing the #SiliguriCorridor or #ChickensNeck in #WestBengal

Securing the Siliguri Corridor or Chickens Neck in West Bengal

What is Happening Where is it Since the past few weeks, a lot has been said ab...

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[JOYDEEPGHOSH]

This approach will not be taken, why are you basing everything on one interview by their PM and giving these extreme black and white options on it.

You understand what India has invested with its diplomacy with Bhutan this long? There are plenty of options moving forward for India that do not involve any extreme approach.

you are correct but this is my opinion but you have to give it a thought what if things don't add up or go the way India wants to do with Bhutan then what India could or can do

 

[Afif]

Securing the #SiliguriCorridor or #ChickensNeck in #WestBengal

Securing the Siliguri Corridor or Chickens Neck in West Bengal

What is Happening Where is it Since the past few weeks, a lot has been said ab...

rbt-defense.blogspot.com

What??? How can you negotiate a 'Land deal'?
Since when sovereign territories are up for sale?
I only know one such example, Alaska.
Which was before modernity.
@Nilgiri

Honestly, in my opinion India should Keep out BD in anything related to Siliguri corridor for everyone's shake.

There is no point for us to get involved in India-China's territorial dispute and potential future conflict, unless India try to force our hand.

 

[Nilgiri]

What??? How can you negotiate a 'Land deal'?
Since when sovereign territories are up for sale?
I only know one such example, Alaska.
Which was before modernity.
@Nilgiri

Honestly, in my opinion India should Keep out BD in anything related to Siliguri corridor for everyone's shake.

There is no point for us to get involved in India-China's territorial dispute and potential future conflict, unless India try to force our hand.

Its just an idle musing in the end....internet is full of it.

I have not seen this idea being brought up in any even nominal capacity as our interests with BD are to grow economic integration in this area first and foremost without rocking BD political boat too much (unfortunately BJP is quite bad at this, though the local regional parties are also quite bad too). So I broadly agree with your assessment and India will also watch what BD response is to US and Japanese overtures w.r.t the Chinese security paradigm.

There have been monetary land acquisitions/exchanges well after the Alaskan one (though it is probably the most well known one) though.

Most do not involve money and are simple land swaps and such (some are post conflict, others are during peaceful time but have some context bilaterally too).

Germany had one with Netherlands in the cold war to re-align the border more optimally for both iirc.

In our region, the acquisition by Pakistan (for some sum of money paid mostly by Aga Khan foundation iirc) of Gwadar (from Oman) is probably most notable example in 20th century modern era.


I myself grew up in my childhood in large part on "leased land"....a 99 year lease (of the New Territories) the British had with Qing China to add to the island(s) that had been ceded in perpetuity. This would be large part of the HK question (as a whole) and its eventual entire handover when this lease expired. It actually has had large impact on my life story in fairly significant ways (especially with how CCP has changed terms of the agreement de facto)...but thats another topic anyway.

 

[Afif]

I have not seen this idea being brought up in any even nominal capacity as our interests with BD are to grow economic integration in this area first and foremost without rocking BD political boat too much (unfortunately BJP is quite bad at this, though the local regional parties are also quite bad too). So I broadly agree with your assessment and India will also watch what BD response is to US and Japanese overtures w.r.t the Chinese security paradigm.

W.r.t Chinese security paradigm it is quite interesting to see how India still cannot put enough trust in US, even though they have a clear common strategic objective.
And also, I think no matter what, USA will never truthfully stand behind India.

In my opinion, They learned the 'lesson' with China the hard way, as India would grow eventually, it will inevitably become US next 'competitor'.

There have been monetary land acquisitions/exchanges well after the Alaskan one (though it is probably the most well known one) though.

Most do not involve money and are simple land swaps and such (some are post conflict, others are during peaceful time but have some context bilaterally too).

Germany had one with Netherlands in the cold war to re-align the border more optimally for both iirc.

You are right, I am not a moron though. I know abou these land swaps....most of them to be accurate.

But author was suggesting like, just go buy some lands off with your money. Which was weird.

Anyway, I think an actual full blown conflcit between PRC and India is unlikely.

It's either in the Pacific or in Himalayas. And i think the priority is clear for CCP. Taiwan it is obviously.

And i think they fully understand the fact that, they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

 

[JOYDEEPGHOSH]

What??? How can you negotiate a 'Land deal'?
Since when sovereign territories are up for sale?
I only know one such example, Alaska.
Which was before modernity.
@Nilgiri

Honestly, in my opinion India should Keep out BD in anything related to Siliguri corridor for everyone's shake.

There is no point for us to get involved in India-China's territorial dispute and potential future conflict, unless India try to force our hand.

i am sorry to know your ignorance and knowledge gained from whatsapp university. please check facts India and Bangladesh exchanged, swapped, and gave up enclaves and exclaves all along the border

 

[Afif]

i am sorry to know your ignorance and knowledge gained from whatsapp university.

There is no need for insulting.

please check facts India and Bangladesh exchanged, swapped, and gave up enclaves and exclaves all along the border

There is no need to check it.
It is a common knowledge.

Land swaps and enclave exchanges happens on mutual bassis.

But there is almost no example of just buying off significant amount of sovereign territory with raw money (As the author of the article is casually suggesting) Specially not in recent time.

 

[JOYDEEPGHOSH]

W.r.t Chinese security paradigm it is quite interesting to see India still cannot put enough trust in US, even though they have a clear common strategic objective.
And also, I think no matter what, USA will never truthfully stand behind India.

In my opinion, They learned the 'lesson' with China the hard way, as India would grow eventually, it will inevitably become US next 'competitor'.

You are right, I am not a moron though. I know abou these land swaps....most of them to be accurate.

But author was suggesting like, just go buy some lands off with your money. Which was weird.

Anyway, I think an actual full blown conflcit between PRC and India is unlikely.

It's either in the Pacific or in Himalayas. And i think the priority is clear for CCP. Obviously Taiwan.

And i think they fully understand the fact, they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

i am sorry to know your ignorance and knowledge gained from whatsapp university. please check facts India and Bangladesh exchanged, swapped, and gave up enclaves and exclaves all along the border, btw didn't you hear china buying 1000 sq miles of Turkmenistan territory, and doing similar deals with Mongolia and Kazakhstan, oh btw didn't anyone tell you that pak gifted / sold Saksgam valley / trans Karakoram tract to China in exchange for money to develop Rawalpindi citym and yes did you forget US bought panama canal track and UK bought Suez canal tract and both were very reluctant in returning them, btw there is no intention on my side to insult or demean you

There is no need for insulting.

There is no need to check it.
It is a common knowledge.

Land swaps and enclave exchanges happens on mutual bassis.

But there is almost no example of just buying off significant amount of sovereign territory with raw money (As the author of the article casually suggesting) Specially not in recent time.

 

[JOYDEEPGHOSH]

Its just an idle musing in the end....internet is full of it.

I have not seen this idea being brought up in any even nominal capacity as our interests with BD are to grow economic integration in this area first and foremost without rocking BD political boat too much (unfortunately BJP is quite bad at this, though the local regional parties are also quite bad too). So I broadly agree with your assessment and India will also watch what BD response is to US and Japanese overtures w.r.t the Chinese security paradigm.

There have been monetary land acquisitions/exchanges well after the Alaskan one (though it is probably the most well known one) though.

Most do not involve money and are simple land swaps and such (some are post conflict, others are during peaceful time but have some context bilaterally too).

Germany had one with Netherlands in the cold war to re-align the border more optimally for both iirc.

In our region, the acquisition by Pakistan (for some sum of money paid mostly by Aga Khan foundation iirc) of Gwadar (from Oman) is probably most notable example in 20th century modern era.


I myself grew up in my childhood in large part on "leased land"....a 99 year lease (of the New Territories) the British had with Qing China to add to the island(s) that had been ceded in perpetuity. This would be large part of the HK question (as a whole) and its eventual entire handover when this lease expired. It actually has had large impact on my life story in fairly significant ways (especially with how CCP has changed terms of the agreement de facto)...but thats another topic anyway.

anyways you can hope against hope but what if Bhutan gifts Doklam Plateau to China, after that what will be the option left for India, do you have any idea? if yes please share