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Not more than 110 for pinaka MKRS it seems

There are about 7x18 = 126 pinaka launchers deployed (confirmed I think)....i.e 7 regiments and 18 launchers each.

Ongoing right now this in last few years and 2022 coming up is bumping up regiments to 16.

So maybe around 16x18 = 288 launchers in total by end of 2022....if all goes to plan.

Current number would be somewhere in between 126 and 288 right now.

(3 regiments were ordered lot earlier and then 6 more follow on contract in 2020).

Another 6 regiments to take the final to 22 will be done after over some years to replaced all the Grads as well.
 

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These artillery guns from Kalyani were under testing last year

Bharat 52


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Marg T (desi m777 )


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The defence ministry has begun moving files to place a repeat order of 200 more 155mm tracked self-propelled howitzers worth over Rs 10,000 crore.











This significant order, to be placed with Larsen & Toubro (L&T) sometime this year, is the largest order placed with an Indian private sector defence firm and is a potential booster dose for the government’s plan to modernise the military, create an industrial defence base and reduce defence imports.

A self-propelled gun is a tank chassis fitted with a howitzer designed to provide firepower to mobile columns. A K9 Vajra weighs 50 tonnes and can fire shells out to over 50 kilometres. L&T had delivered 100 K-9 Vajras for Rs 4,500 crore in partnership with South Korean defence firm Hanwha Defense. The contract was signed in May 2017 and the 100th gun delivered to the army on February 2021. It remains the largest Make in India programmes signed and completed on this government’s watch.

It is also the fastest way for the army to acquire modern artillery systems.

A new order, which could be placed by this year, will see the guns start to roll out of Hazira by 2023 with all deliveries completed before 2028. A large number of these guns will be specially modified with uprated engines to operate in the high altitude cold deserts of Ladakh and Sikkim.

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It is not a stretch to believe this massive order could be one of the highlights of Defexpo 2022, the defence ministry’s biennial land and naval systems exhibition. The 12th instalment of Defexpo is to be held in Gandhinagar, Gujarat, between March 10 and 13. It also coincides with the government’s drive to make Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state a defence industrial hub.

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Until last year, the army had planned to order only one more K9 regiment. How then did this become a humongous 10 regiments? One reason, clearly, was China’s military deployment, which began in eastern Ladakh in May 2020.

The army’s five existing regiments of Vajras (each regiment has 18 guns, not counting the two in reserve) were acquired not for the mountains, but to operate with the Indian army’s three strike corps ranged across the plains of the Punjab and the semi-deserts of Rajasthan. The People’s Liberation Army deployment and the subsequent activation of the entire northern and eastern borders saw the army scramble to acquire modern artillery. Late last year, three K9s were moved up into eastern Ladakh on a trial basis. A senior artillery officer in the Udhampur-based Northern command was a key mover behind this unusual deployment. The guns drove up from Leh to the forward areas of eastern Ladakh on their own power (instead of a tank transporter-trailer), demonstrating their ability to operate independently. What seemed to have been forgotten was that these guns had been originally designed to operate in South Korea, a rugged mountainous country with a hostile neighbor and with climatic conditions that could mimic those of eastern Ladakh. The Indian army K9s, however, still needed to be modified with a special low temperature kit in the field with L&T engineers. The range tables and the software that guided these guns was modified, again in the field, by the engineers. The guns are believed to have performed exceedingly well, which strengthened their case for more guns.


“If you don’t have at least 10 more regiments of self-propelled artillery, you will fall short all over the border,” says Lt General P Ravi Shankar, former Director General Artillery.

The army’s own howitzer acquisitions were going nowhere. Its insistence on acquiring 400 ‘Athos’ towed howitzers from Israeli firm Elbit were repeatedly rebuffed by the MoD and the case finally closed late last year. The MoD argued, correctly it would seem, that imports would kill indigenous howitzer capabilities developed over the years by a range of private and public sector developers. Seen from the army’s point of view, the two most promising indigenous artillery systems are yet to deliver. Design defects on the Dhanush, an indigenous version of the FH-77B Bofors, have jeopardised an army order for 114 guns. The DRDO-designed Advanced Towed Array Gun System (ATAGS), built indigenously by Tata Defense and Bharat Forge, is yet to clear army trials. The army believes it could take these guns at least until 2025 to pass its stringent trials.

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The army hence cannibalised its requirement for nine regiments of wheeled howitzers—a 155 mm howitzer mounted on a 6x6 armoured vehicle—to make way for the K9s. The wheeled howitzer programme was one of five different types of howitzers projected after the Kargil War and whose requirement was accepted by the government. Around 3,000 new guns were to be procured in the towed, wheeled and tracked (on a tank chassis, like the K-9) mounted gun systems (on a truck chassis) and ultra-light howitzer categories. Only the mounted gun systems and the wheeled howitzers are to be acquired. The second category now seems to have been scrapped.


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The defence ministry has begun moving files to place a repeat order of 200 more 155mm tracked self-propelled howitzers worth over Rs 10,000 crore.











This significant order, to be placed with Larsen & Toubro (L&T) sometime this year, is the largest order placed with an Indian private sector defence firm and is a potential booster dose for the government’s plan to modernise the military, create an industrial defence base and reduce defence imports.

A self-propelled gun is a tank chassis fitted with a howitzer designed to provide firepower to mobile columns. A K9 Vajra weighs 50 tonnes and can fire shells out to over 50 kilometres. L&T had delivered 100 K-9 Vajras for Rs 4,500 crore in partnership with South Korean defence firm Hanwha Defense. The contract was signed in May 2017 and the 100th gun delivered to the army on February 2021. It remains the largest Make in India programmes signed and completed on this government’s watch.

It is also the fastest way for the army to acquire modern artillery systems.

A new order, which could be placed by this year, will see the guns start to roll out of Hazira by 2023 with all deliveries completed before 2028. A large number of these guns will be specially modified with uprated engines to operate in the high altitude cold deserts of Ladakh and Sikkim.

ADVERTISEMENT

It is not a stretch to believe this massive order could be one of the highlights of Defexpo 2022, the defence ministry’s biennial land and naval systems exhibition. The 12th instalment of Defexpo is to be held in Gandhinagar, Gujarat, between March 10 and 13. It also coincides with the government’s drive to make Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home state a defence industrial hub.

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Until last year, the army had planned to order only one more K9 regiment. How then did this become a humongous 10 regiments? One reason, clearly, was China’s military deployment, which began in eastern Ladakh in May 2020.

The army’s five existing regiments of Vajras (each regiment has 18 guns, not counting the two in reserve) were acquired not for the mountains, but to operate with the Indian army’s three strike corps ranged across the plains of the Punjab and the semi-deserts of Rajasthan. The People’s Liberation Army deployment and the subsequent activation of the entire northern and eastern borders saw the army scramble to acquire modern artillery. Late last year, three K9s were moved up into eastern Ladakh on a trial basis. A senior artillery officer in the Udhampur-based Northern command was a key mover behind this unusual deployment. The guns drove up from Leh to the forward areas of eastern Ladakh on their own power (instead of a tank transporter-trailer), demonstrating their ability to operate independently. What seemed to have been forgotten was that these guns had been originally designed to operate in South Korea, a rugged mountainous country with a hostile neighbor and with climatic conditions that could mimic those of eastern Ladakh. The Indian army K9s, however, still needed to be modified with a special low temperature kit in the field with L&T engineers. The range tables and the software that guided these guns was modified, again in the field, by the engineers. The guns are believed to have performed exceedingly well, which strengthened their case for more guns.


“If you don’t have at least 10 more regiments of self-propelled artillery, you will fall short all over the border,” says Lt General P Ravi Shankar, former Director General Artillery.

The army’s own howitzer acquisitions were going nowhere. Its insistence on acquiring 400 ‘Athos’ towed howitzers from Israeli firm Elbit were repeatedly rebuffed by the MoD and the case finally closed late last year. The MoD argued, correctly it would seem, that imports would kill indigenous howitzer capabilities developed over the years by a range of private and public sector developers. Seen from the army’s point of view, the two most promising indigenous artillery systems are yet to deliver. Design defects on the Dhanush, an indigenous version of the FH-77B Bofors, have jeopardised an army order for 114 guns. The DRDO-designed Advanced Towed Array Gun System (ATAGS), built indigenously by Tata Defense and Bharat Forge, is yet to clear army trials. The army believes it could take these guns at least until 2025 to pass its stringent trials.

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The army hence cannibalised its requirement for nine regiments of wheeled howitzers—a 155 mm howitzer mounted on a 6x6 armoured vehicle—to make way for the K9s. The wheeled howitzer programme was one of five different types of howitzers projected after the Kargil War and whose requirement was accepted by the government. Around 3,000 new guns were to be procured in the towed, wheeled and tracked (on a tank chassis, like the K-9) mounted gun systems (on a truck chassis) and ultra-light howitzer categories. Only the mounted gun systems and the wheeled howitzers are to be acquired. The second category now seems to have been scrapped.


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Rs 10,000 crore in USD is?
 

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left side of 1.5 billion USD . How many K-9s Turkey operates ?
The base is K-9 but the T-155 Fırtına differs from th K-9 in many ways(Turkish systems).
Because of design/development of the Fırtına 2 we only produced 280 units out of the planned 350.
 

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I don't understand the strategic depth behind this purchase. Is India really expecting that Pakistani forces are going to move inside Indian territory in case of war?
 

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I don't understand the strategic depth behind this purchase. Is India really expecting that Pakistani forces are going to move inside Indian territory in case of war?
Mainly for LAC , they tested it in Eastern Laddak and now wanted more to be on Eastern side . These guns will be deployed in Arunachal Pradesh , Sikkim and Laddak
Pakistan is not even in the mind of defense planners.
 

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The base is K-9 but the T-155 Fırtına differs from th K-9 in many ways(Turkish systems).
Because of design/development of the Fırtına 2 we only produced 280 units out of the planned 350.
In our case too many systems are developed ( from TOT) by L&T . They even have the source codes so both maintenance and enhancements will not be a problem
 

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L&T has European roots. It was started by two Danes in the 1940s. Incredible they built a blue chip in India.
 

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First up, I don't see a reason for IA to go specifically for additional K9s' except for their love of foreign maal and scuttling like headless chickens when faced with a thread and end up spending exponentially more than what they could actually get these systems for. These artillery guns from Kalyani were under testing last year.

Bharat 52 Marg T (desi M777)


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Truck mounted Marg T Garuda 105


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All the above systems have been successfully tested in the cold weather high altitude ranges of Ladakh, hot weather and plains of Punjab and Rajasthan. But hey! Kalyani or any other Indian company wouldn't offer IA's top brass with expensive kickbacks and settle their next 5 generations for good right
 

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First up, I don't see a reason for IA to go specifically for additional K9s' except for their love of foreign maal and scuttling like headless chickens when faced with a thread and end up spending exponentially more than what they could actually get these systems for. These artillery guns from Kalyani were under testing last year.

Bharat 52 Marg T (desi M777)


EgatGSiVAAAHfAT.jpeg.jpg
EgatGSiUwAAF9J6.jpeg.jpg



Truck mounted Marg T Garuda 105


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EgatGSjU0AEUg30.jpeg.jpg


All the above systems have been successfully tested in the cold weather high altitude ranges of Ladakh, hot weather and plains of Punjab and Rajasthan. But hey! Kalyani or any other Indian company wouldn't offer IA's top brass with expensive kickbacks and settle their next 5 generations for good right

They are saying that testing will take time for guns you have mentioned and K9 are already tested . seems like the guns you have mentioned still needs to clear the under sea trials which is one of the army's requirements
 

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The Indian army K9s, however, still needed to be modified with a special low temperature kit in the field with L&T engineers. The range tables and the software that guided these guns was modified, again in the field, by the engineers. The guns are believed to have performed exceedingly well, which strengthened their case for more guns
Imagine if an indigenous system had to be modified similar to this! IA would cancel the whole project, brand DRDO as incompetent, raise issues of immediate threat and use emergency procurement route to get foreign systems
The army’s own howitzer acquisitions were going nowhere. Its insistence on acquiring 400 ‘Athos’ towed howitzers from Israeli firm Elbit were repeatedly rebuffed by the MoD and the case finally closed late last year
Athos is a dumb proposal in the first place...we have the DRDO ATAGS which is pretty much the same as ATHOS albeit some weight difference
Design defects on the Dhanush, an indigenous version of the FH-77B Bofors, have jeopardised an army order for 114 guns. The DRDO-designed Advanced Towed Array Gun System (ATAGS), built indigenously by Tata Defense and Bharat Forge, is yet to clear army trials. The army believes it could take these guns at least until 2025 to pass its stringent trials.
The Dhanush didn't really have design defects nor the ATAGS. There was once a barrel burst due to faulty OFB howitzer rounds being used during testing. This incident made IA put a hold on these tests completely. No foreign system be it the K9 or ATHOS was never tested to the extent what Dhanush and ATAGS went thru...IA would test these indigenous systems to the point where a failure occurs and kill the whole project for kickbacks and import lobby
 

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They are saying that testing will take time for guns you have mentioned and K9 are already tested . seems like the guns you have mentioned still needs to clear the under sea trials which is one of the army's requirements
If Hanwa brochure says K9 has been extensively tested, that's enough for the punks sitting at IA. I'm glad MoD is banning imports for certain systems but they should also ensure IA doesn't take advantage of any loopholes like emergency procurements which IA will definitely utilize
 

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The defence ministry has begun moving files to place a repeat order of 200 more 155mm tracked self-propelled howitzers worth over Rs 10,000 crore.
Yes I saw this news and knew you would be happy heh.


I don't understand the strategic depth behind this purchase. Is India really expecting that Pakistani forces are going to move inside Indian territory in case of war?
Indian Army has been artillery deficient at large for long time now (self propelled even more so).

It is simple issue of making amends about that slowly, given sheer number of divisions (esp mechanized infantry and combined arms divisions) that need adequate equipping of artillery (past the 2? artillery divisions), that are making do with very little right now (compared to the average that military's employ).

This is just 2nd step (after 1st one regd initial K9 Vajra acquisition) towards a longer goal of many more 100s of SPH needed...along with commensurate more towed as well.

Artillery is the God of War today....India has been ignoring it at its peril long enough.
 

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If Hanwa brochure says K9 has been extensively tested, that's enough for the punks sitting at IA. I'm glad MoD is banning imports for certain systems but they should also ensure IA doesn't take advantage of any loopholes like emergency procurements which IA will definitely utilize
To be honest the only silver lining is L&T will get some hands on experience and will end up absorbing the TOT and will develop some good products . I am really hoping they will develop some good light tank .
 

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To be honest the only silver lining is L&T will get some hands on experience and will end up absorbing the TOT and will develop some good products . I am really hoping they will develop some good light tank
Russian lobby will work hard with lucrative kickbacks and honey traps (something which our guys fall for all the time) for IA to favor their Sprut. While MoD did cancel other Russian projects like Ka-226, Mig-29s, Kilo class subs, Ka-31 helos, BM-21 MRLS...there are a few others like Ak-203s, Talwar class frigates etc and for Spruts, IA may sight emergency requirement due to the looming chinese threat on LAC
 

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Russian lobby will work hard with lucrative kickbacks and honey traps (something which our guys fall for all the time) for IA to favor their Sprut. While MoD did cancel other Russian projects like Ka-226, Mig-29s, Kilo class subs, Ka-31 helos, BM-21 MRLS...there are a few others like Ak-203s, Talwar class frigates etc and for Spruts, IA may sight emergency requirement due to the looming chinese threat on LAC
Oh man I know the story , you remember K 30 Biho ( even after clearing all the trials they get blocked) , but my hopes are kadi ninda will take some good decision and CATASA will also play some role we will not see the Russian crap and hopefully we will have K21 light tank manufactured by L&T with proper TOT
 

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Oh man I know the story , you remember K 30 Biho ( even after clearing all the trials they get blocked) , but my hopes are kadi ninda will take some good decision and CATASA will also play some role we will not see the Russian crap and hopefully we will have K21 light tank manufactured by L&T with proper TOT
Are you sure L&T's offering is a license manufactured K21? Since most of the recent reports were stating it's a JV between DRDO and L&T
 
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