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OK...but:
A) She is Indian (you are not). So we can at least flesh out where her perspective, context and credibility comes from (unlike you - a foreigner, who just inserted a cheap shot and expected to get away it).
B) She doesn't use the trope "Nazi" here (like you did). Nazi is very specific. If you warned about Hindu nationalism in your original post of contention....I would have no issue to take it further.
Various <insert> nationalism movements are found worldwide and wax and wane due to different circumstances.
The have to do the <insert>qualifier because nationalism as is, is insufficient for them. That is why its not true nationalism (which needs no <insert> mark) which originates from the consitutional framework and its larger principles instead.
C) If we ask Rana Ayyub about East Pakistan and if it was ethnic cleansing there (much like Rohingya situation, but at far larger scale)....what do you think her answer would be (in comparing to the actual Nazi basis)?
If we ask Asadudin Owaisi same question (East Pakistan ethnic cleansing at scale by state policy) and other Indian muslim leaders and parliamentary representatives the same thing....what would be the answer? Do you even know?
They have all made their voices known on what they think Hindutva is doing to the country....but they know the greater principle to call out extremes from their community and from neighbourhood.....and definitely where it rises to level of Nazism like it did only during 1971.
i.e they wont undermine where they are coming from as far as possible (just because of co-religion argument), something lost on you
Would those answers be the same as yours?:
"2) not such.
3) impossible,"
i.e would it be a matter of your filter coming in again?
Filter of extreme kind that Anthony Mascarenhas could not get through at the time?
You seem to have little to no idea about Nazism is, and the scale of totalitarianism needed for it that would have snuffed out voices like them (whatever is right and wrong in them) a long while ago simply for being different.
Either that are you are actively trying to diminish the scale and victims of actual NSDAP....by calling everything you don't like as Nazism if it takes sociopolitical root.
Then you make issue of me calling you "Mr. cheapshot"
Since you take such active interest in white-knighting for Turkey and Turks here in this forum....
How exactly would an Indian be received here that comes between a conversation (nothing to do with domestic politics) regarding Turkey and some other X country (that is not India).....and saying something like:
Oh wow you best be careful about making relationship with Turkey and Turks! Just look up "scholarly articles" (by whichever minority) about rise and/or legacy of Nazism there.
He would get no questioning back to see the bigger principle (of his own application) and apply it to his country first? Some more visceral reactions would come (since he used the word Nazi to begin with)?
What would it be like if its not Indian but simply a co-religionist (i.e islamist) from some other country bringing this up? It hasn't happened yet in this forum? Its happened multiple times from what I've seen.
i.e not even use proper term like say right wing extremism (so you can even study what the context of left and right wing are in the country and why)....but go right to Nazism.
It is something lot more than a cheapshot, but I will leave it as cheapshot.
It is easy to see where it comes from....why you cling to islamism in this particular way.
What differentiates you from the true Bosnian nationalist in this forum for example.
We would have very many more of you in subcontinent if we were "balkanised" same way at same intensity like Yugoslavia did to itself ....and have artifacts of it up close like Republic srpska within own country.
Instead we have our system and our affairs, and you cherrypick what suits you...from the emotional angst you come from your particular take on Bosnian experience....same way you do when you try debate certain Turks here, and they ask you.....uh are you Turkish? as first principle.
Understand this, it is not our fault that Yugoslavia did not turn out like this:
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Ok, strange hybrid betweem nazism and hindu nationalism, i give you credit that you invented new variant of nazi ideology. I am not intersted im specific disections you are constantly pushing in conversation. You can not answer straigjt forward on simple questions because your whole construction and avoidamce of acceptimg reality would crumble in pieces.
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It is you that brought up rana ayyub....and now you can't answer:
....and expect to be taken seriously.
You literally spoke for Bangladesh earlier.... ("green" country better for Turkey)....again inserting yourself between two countries trying to be the typical islamist bridge.
So what is the motto of Bangladesh? and where did it come from?...and why?
Defeating islamist takfiri thugs....that were murdering them en masse.
But you would be "oh I don't want to see this" regarding their liberation war museum pictures and evidence.
Then you bring up "Nazi" elsewhere and try to launder it as "hybrid" ideology or whatever else.
You expect to be taken seriously on matters you know zilch about....and then play "ill just call what I don't like a Nazi".....like many liberal hyper-elitists/globalists also tend to do (that you say you are so different from).
Same emotional screeching with no actual principle.
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Till you call out the largest ethnic cleansing (given that was the core policy of Nazis in the end) that happened in the neighbourhood (leading to formation of Bangladesh) on the exact same terms you propose launder into other ideology/matters.....we are at an impasse.
Indian muslims have called it out (the same ones that have far more credibility on criticizing hindutva that you, a foreigner, EVER WILL).
But strangely you wont....and expect to not even be called a cheapshot.
Ok I will just cut to the chase and call you a hypocrite.
Is there a real purpose to arguing with hypocrites?
I certainly don't think so.
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See there you go, talking for others.
This is precisely what gets you same place with number of Turk (nationalist) members here....as you are not even Turk.
You do not know anything about what we have done and confronted and argued about..... likely a million times more than you ever have on these matters....or are you Indian?
Yet you will assert that you know better because it doesn't fit cleanly your little take on the matter.
Something as extreme as Nazi-ism too.
Hypocrisy merging into narcissism.
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Thanks bro, same to you and all Indians here...and all friends of India.
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Muzaffar Wani, the father of slain Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani, hoisted the national flag at a school in Jammu and Kashmir’s Pulwama district as part of Independence Day celebrations on Sunday, officials said.
Muzaffar Wani, who is a teacher by profession, unfurled the national flag on the premises of the Government Girls Higher Secondary School in Tral, they said.
www.tribuneindia.com
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Muzaffar Wani, who is a teacher by profession, unfurled the national flag on the premises of the Government Girls Higher Secondary School in Tral, they said.
Burhan Wani’s father hoists Tricolour at govt school in J-K’s Tral
Signs of a new dawn surfaced in Jammu and Kashmir on Sunday, with the Tricolour being unfurled at all government schools, colleges and other institutions, and father of the slain terrorist Burhan Wani doing the honours at a government school in Tral where he is the Principal.
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Felt like writing a little passage on the occasion...
Today, Independent India is 75 years old. As a Union of several cultures, ethnicities & languages, our country's remarkable journey through the decades has been one of perseverance & of overcoming all odds. Building a robust State mechanism while emerging from a position of sheer economic & resource scarcity at the closing stages of the British empire to becoming a leading economy & a sustained democracy - without compromising on the extreme steps needed to ensure national security & strategic independence (like the nuclear tests, NAM etc.), was not an easy feat, and one which most countries either choose not to do, or do & suffer the consequences greatly.
As the country moves to regain it's leading position in the world as a Civilizational state, as a major multi-trillion economy and as a modern-day Great Power, here's to the next 75 years!
Happy 75th Independence Day!
Today, Independent India is 75 years old. As a Union of several cultures, ethnicities & languages, our country's remarkable journey through the decades has been one of perseverance & of overcoming all odds. Building a robust State mechanism while emerging from a position of sheer economic & resource scarcity at the closing stages of the British empire to becoming a leading economy & a sustained democracy - without compromising on the extreme steps needed to ensure national security & strategic independence (like the nuclear tests, NAM etc.), was not an easy feat, and one which most countries either choose not to do, or do & suffer the consequences greatly.
As the country moves to regain it's leading position in the world as a Civilizational state, as a major multi-trillion economy and as a modern-day Great Power, here's to the next 75 years!
Happy 75th Independence Day!
