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Abrogation of Article 370 was long overdue. But we must not hurry change in mindset​

Despite Modi govt's policies that have largely benefitted the masses, one incident in J&K could spark violence. The Centre must be cautious.

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This Bhikhari pakidiot has nothing else left, sona, uthna, bheekh maangna, aur fir so jaana.
he is literally obsessed with India

see the kind of happiness he is showing when India lost to NZ in test championship

so after declaring the border of Japan and Germany now hear the figures of Indian population

1 arab = 1000 million
300 crore = 3000 million

total Indian population 4000 million

 

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From learned folks (who I leave anonymous here) from group I'm in:

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This is part of reason I am against article 370 repeal. You have to think of the bigger picture of what the longer time frame was w.r.t trust. Why folks are part of your country may not be the same reason you are part of it (in every dimension this involves).

There is also key distinction between Indian nationalism and Hindu Nationalism in how political parties orient in the minds of people. This cannot be dismissed whatever one's own sympathies lie with (for whatever reason).
 

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This is part of reason I am against article 370 repeal. You have to think of the bigger picture of what the longer time frame was w.r.t trust. Why folks are part of your country may not be the same reason you are part of it (in every dimension this involves).

There is also key distinction between Indian nationalism and Hindu Nationalism in how political parties orient in the minds of people. This cannot be dismissed whatever one's own sympathies lie with (for whatever reason).
It's not so much that I am against 370 repeal, I am against the process that was used to repeal it. Unfortunately, someone had to do it. As much as I detest the Modi-Shah duo, I am glad they did it. Of course, it has had its drawbacks.
 

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It's not so much that I am against 370 repeal, I am against the process that was used to repeal it. Unfortunately, someone had to do it. As much as I detest the Modi-Shah duo, I am glad they did it. Of course, it has had its drawbacks.

From certain perspective I agree with you.

i.e situation inherited (constant whittling away by each admin to Art 370 scope to begin with)....Modi admin did final coup de grace you can say....shekhar ji refers to it as "jhatka" from time to time.

But I am talking about the larger context regarding the earlier dates with SMA and Kashmir.... Nehru et al. did some crucial mistakes....when India was in position to be lot more gracious and trusting with SMA and the JnK assembly.

SMA never forgot the cold shoulder his delegates got from Jinnah-admin for example (when sent to karachi to negotiate about future arrangements). Then things got lot worse with both the war itself (after standstill agreement) and then objective resolution.

It was big missed opportunity to have robust + totally by the book + principled setup of Kashmir w.r.t India. It was all done by fits and starts with SMA first hand in glove, then a 180 deteoriation in quick time...with him arrested and detained (for a decade or so), then released (before trial for the charges)...reconciliation and then his strong support for Indian cause yet again (given 65 and 71).

This all rests in uncomfy way with lot of Muslim Kashmiris (given this was all before the jihadi extremism introduced in late 80s by foreign party).

With all that in mind, this 2019 coup de grace when you factor everything in, has made situation worse in Kashmir valley in the minds of many that were defending India's cause...or at least keeping it in mind to balance whatever other sympathies.

Then Modi-admin made it into union territories on top....we know the merits of this argument from ladakhi and also lot of our perspective.....but it has element of vindictive bullying to many of their perspective that are already in precarious position. Now we are supposed to just take full on insular approach with them and shout them down or worse?

India cannot operate on this way by making example of few to satisfy majoritarian many....and it should have come clean on abuses/violations of its own declared principles in the past and as quickly as possible.

We either have principles or everything becomes exercise of perceived realism (might makes right). India's vast size might make this somewhat easy to do for powerful....given distance between different groups of people.....but it will inevtiably come reaching for you at some point too.....once given enough precedence and custom.
 
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I don’t think of any change in sentiment, government and people of India don’t understand that Kashmir is a muslim majority area in India and hence should be taken care of like that, it’s not that you’ll be a pro Hindu government and expect muslims to support you.
 

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From learned folks (who I leave anonymous here) from group I'm in:

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This is part of reason I am against article 370 repeal. You have to think of the bigger picture of what the longer time frame was w.r.t trust. Why folks are part of your country may not be the same reason you are part of it (in every dimension this involves).

There is also key distinction between Indian nationalism and Hindu Nationalism in how political parties orient in the minds of people. This cannot be dismissed whatever one's own sympathies lie with (for whatever reason).

Just a Q about anonymous learned folk... is his assessment based on ground realities or hear say!!!!!!!
 

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India on Thursday rejected the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation’s (OIC) call to revoke the changes made to the status of Jammu and Kashmir in 2019, saying the grouping shouldn’t allow “vested interests” to use its platform to comment on the country’s internal affairs.

In a statement issued on the second anniversary of the Indian government’s move to scrap the special status of Jammu and Kashmir and to split the region into two union territories, the general secretariat of OIC reiterated “its call to revoke all these steps”.

The OIC described the Indian government’s steps as “unilateral” and said they were aimed at altering the “internationally recognised disputed status of the territory as stipulated in the relevant UN Security Council resolutions”.

Responding to the reference to the Kashmir by the OIC, external affairs ministry spokesperson Arindam Bagchi said: “We categorically reject yet another unacceptable reference to the union territory of Jammu and Kashmir issued by the general secretariat of OIC.”

In an apparent reference to Pakistan’s frequent attempts to rake up the Kashmir issue through the OIC, Bagchi added, “OIC has no locus standi in matters relating to the union territory of Jammu and Kashmir, which is an integral part of India. It is reiterated that the OIC general secretariat should refrain from allowing vested interests to exploit its platform for comments on internal affairs of India.”

The OIC, in its statement, also reiterated its solidarity with the people of Jammu and Kashmir in their “quest for the right of self-determination”. It opposed any changes to the demographic composition of Jammu and Kashmir and called for respect of basic human rights.

The OIC’s general secretariat also called on the world community to increase its efforts to resolve the Kashmir issue in line with UN Security Council resolutions.

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Are the OIC just humoring Pak to keep them from harping about Kashmir?
 

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The government is taking steps to restore ancestral properties of Kashmiri Hindu migrants who had to run away from Kashmir in the wake of terrorist violence there and so far nine properties have been given back to the rightful and original owners, the Rajya Sabha was informed on Wednesday.

 

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@Nilgiri I think we can offset that trust loss with more demoralization by fucking up pakistan economically in any way possible , and providing more job opportunity for them , localities in kashmir where jihadi have been cleared should be developed with proper surveillance and filled with people supporting india (many present still ) and made into tourist destination , start hiking trails there and invite those mujhra wala you tuber etc to make vlogs etc , give offer to international tourists , and make sure that native people escort them on these tours , so that they earn bucks .

Small steps will make them more aligned with us
 

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