Indonesia to deploy navy force near South China Sea

[Saithan]

Indonesia to deploy navy force near South China Sea

Deployment of combat squad on Natuna islands comes following escalating tension in disputed waters - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Madokafc]

We need a more higher profile warships flotila to do so, our Sigma class doesn't stand a chance at all.

 

[Gary]

We need a more higher profile warships flotila to do so, our Sigma class doesn't stand a chance at all.

we need more submarines

 

[Madokafc]

From lembaga keris

 

[Gary]

hehe, they actually shows where they store the ammo

 

[Anmdt]

We need a more higher profile warships flotila to do so, our Sigma class doesn't stand a chance at all.

It is not about a chance, it is sufficient to show flag and confront whomever violating your territorial waters and whomever conducting economic operations in EEZ.
Just make sure the ship is strong enough to ram against other vessels, captains are experienced to maneuver in dog-fights, equipped with SAT -SOF teams and helicopter operations. Add some ESM -EC capability.

 

[Parry Brima]

It is not about a chance, it is sufficient to show flag and confront whomever violating your territorial waters and whomever conducting economic operations in EEZ.
Just make sure the ship is strong enough to ram against other vessels, captains are experienced to maneuver in dog-fights, equipped with SAT -SOF teams and helicopter operations. Add some ESM -EC capability.

We should probably equip all of our Navy ships from patrol boat to frigates with icebreaker ship requirement. Ram power is part of deterrence

Btw, is it against international law to ram china's military vessels in our territory?

 

[San.geuk]

fist post in this forum,

anyway icebreakers hull better use for bakamla, since they our forefront law enforcement body several time confronting those militia fishermen from north,
apart from "good" news in TNIAU thread, it seems another good news also in the Navy,

Indonesia in talks with Naval Group for variant of Riachuelo-class submarine

Officials from Indonesia’s defence ministry are in discussions with a consortium led by French shipbuilder Naval Group for a possible order of the Riachuelo (Modified...

www.janes.com

will it come reality?

 

[Anmdt]

We should probably equip all of our Navy ships from patrol boat to frigates with icebreaker ship requirement. Ram power is part of deterrence

Btw, is it against international law to ram china's military vessels in our territory?

They have FONOP rights in EEZ, Innocent Passage in Territorial waters, as long as not interrupting Indonesia's economic operations or protecting illegal economic activities,like Chinese fisheries.
But China claims warships are excluded from FONOP, thus they should apply for permit prior to entering their waters (EEZ), in return Indonesia can specifically impose such a rule specifically against Chinese military vessels.

 

[Indos]

They have FONOP rights in EEZ, Innocent Passage in Territorial waters, as long as not interrupting Indonesia's economic operations or protecting illegal economic activities,like Chinese fisheries.
But China claims warships are excluded from FONOP, thus they should apply for permit prior to entering their waters (EEZ), in return Indonesia can specifically impose such a rule specifically against Chinese military vessels.

How about China Coast Guard vessel ?? Is it regarded as military asset as well ?? Actually when the vessel sail in our EEZ, it doesnt violate internasional law, but our Navy always want to expel them despite no economic activity conducted by Chinese vessel.

 

[Anmdt]

How about China Coast Guard vessel ?? Is it regarded as military asset as well ?? Actually when the vessel sail in our EEZ, it doesnt violate internasional law, but our Navy always want to expel them despite no economic activity conducted by Chinese vessel.

I don't think coast guard ships are considered as miitary ship, because they are not designed or equipped for Naval warfare. So If Indonesia excludes military vessels from FONOP then CG would be excluded.

FONOP and Navigation in EEZ is not on a solid ground, so Indonesia might had legal excuses to interfere with Chinese CG claiming that the vessels were posing a threat on economical operations and interfering Indonesia's rights on Natuna EEZ (since a CG vessel operating on there indirectly means China claims those waters to be their territory).
I think as universally accepted, you can do anything in EEZ except economical, as long as not interfering with the sovereign state. Chinese may even come to the EEZ for military exercises. " as long as not interfering" part can interpreted however a state likes, according to Russia and China military vessels violates this, thus not allowed for FONOP and should request a permit before entering EEZ.

 

[Gundala]

Well did you guys remember two Frigate 054A China spotted by our MPA on January 8th?

https://puspenerbal.tnial.mil.id/News/Baca/cn-235-patroli-di-perairan-natuna____.html

I do believe the incidents prolly has happened before as well. January 7th Kabamla said this

https://news.detik.com/berita/d-4849664/kabakamla-masih-ada-2-kapal-frigate-china-di-perairan-natuna

This incidents which I believed has been accumulated but prolly been kept under the rug, but this time I do believe we has had enough. Prabowo met with Luhut and agreed to get 140m frigate/OPV to balance the field abit

https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/...tuna-wamenhan-siapkan-kapal-made-in-indonesia

FONOP? Well screw that, their CCG & Frigate has been doing the bullying with their floitilla of fishing mob. Military warship turning off transponder in EEZ? They even have to sail in a straight line to their way point which Im pretty sure they didnt. While CCG looking for an opening of our "lengah" those 2 frigates has been on standby mode shadowing CCG from a distance. What did this incidents tell us?

Anyhow Kudos to our Govt to tone them down via military and diplomatic channel but our govt also know that this wont stop as their fishing resources in yellow sea and east china sea had gone due to over fishing. So that Denmark frigate which was only a plan has been moved into part of strategic/tactical plan. Then Japan comes in, you all know the story after that.

So yeah when we see CCG we have every right to ask them out of our EEZ.

 

[trishna_amrta]

hehe, they actually shows where they store the ammo

It's actually good. And it shows there is already significant transformation in TNI thinking in general. Those that were shown on the map are all infrastructure that can't be hidden.

You can also get similar information by yourself. Just try to get out from your safe space and do some leg work, talking to local people, while observing your surrounding with all your Mk.1 senses + common sense instead of using your phone. And you will get a serious amount of tactically useful up to date information. Its applicable anywhere in the world regardless of local culture.

 

[Anmdt]

They even have to sail in a straight line to their way point which Im pretty sure they didnt

Not valid for FONOP but Innocent passage; in FONOP, a ship is free to navigate on her will. I told it earlier according some sources even foreign navies can conduct exercises in other state's EEZ.

Military warship turning off transponder in EEZ

Yes, they can. As long as they apply COLREG - SOLAS (collision prevention-safety at sea) measures. However non-military or non-governmental civilian ships-fisheries can not turn their transponders off (except a few conditions).

So yeah when we see CCG we have every right to ask them out of our EEZ.

A single right: If Indonesia feels threatened, or sensing that China's actions in EEZ are posing threat to sovereignty ie. it doesn't have to be fisheries or drilling, even a single military/CG vessel if suspected of SIGINT/ELINT operations, she can be escorted out of the EEZ. This also might apply for fisheries which conducts FONOP but exhibits strange behavior like, pattern of routes, not responding to radio or emergency channels, emitting signals etc.
In some occasions, the ship conducting FONOP should declare it upon radio contact but Chinese avoids for the known reason.
Or else, even if they don't declare FONOP, those ships will be free to navigate in EEZ. However not declaring FONOP can be interpreted as a threat as well.
These are open to interpretation, Indonesia can even control Chinese operations nearby to the Indonesian EEZ, they might use equipment to draw fish herds and this also threatens economic rights on the EEZ.

 

[Madokafc]

Test Firing of Exocet missile from KRI Fatahillah in Natuna sea, photo taken during joint exercise of ABRI in 1980