Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[joedhie2k]

Seems the price still be the main problem right know, but who knows about the future. Back then perhaps we still have low GDP value so any sophiscating "alutsista" never made into list.



Does anyone here ever heard "MV 22 Osprey" procurement saga again ?

*flies away

well until now fund is still the problem.. main issue against rafale is the maintenance cost which will include initial buy of any tooling..

long back i remember that when we calculate the MEF requirement (which is until 2030 only), the cost is about current 1700T number.. it is just unimaginable that the cost can be summed up front and through foreign loan.. back then funding was through export credit and tied to the exporter countries.. france never put such credit anyway

IMO, rafale is just personal preference from wowo, i dont care the why.. but i dont want my taxes to pay high interest due to his loan

 

[joedhie2k]

Today Rafale is fast becoming one of the most sought fighters in the world. Greece, Croatia, India, Qatar, Egypt, and still competing in Finland and Ukraine. Even Swiss is considering to replace their US fighters (F-18/F5) with Rafale.

Swiss leaning toward Rafale jet purchase: report - Asia Times

After securing major contracts in Greece, Croatia, India and Egypt, French aeronautics firm Dassault Aviation is close to inking a major deal with

asiatimes.com

those countries are already mirage user, want to expand political view, or cannot/will not buy F-35 because too expensive

there is a market soon for countries who want to retire F-16 but dont want to buy F-35

 

[Lordimperator]

possibility of an embargo, are discussed and agreed at this stage

Well, in this decade we have common threat from the north, and Indonesia would be a buffer zone for the commonwealth in the south.

 

[Stuka Dive]

aannd whatever quadrilion blah blah blah monies still not mentioning IFX...
rafale is an ugly aircraft anyway.. all that curves but cannot think big hiding the refueling probe

According Jagarin Pane's latest article: KFX program still continued on, Iver could become 6 units, plus 8 Mogami class.
How credible is Jagarin Pane's information, does he an insider in Mindef?

About Rafale, the one that I dont't like is its speed which is below Mach 2. Perhaps, the French still can't make powerful jet engine for Rafale. If it is using a US made jet engine probably will have more speed and thrust to weight ratio.

 

[Madokafc]

According Jagarin Pane's latest article: KFX program still continued on, Iver could become 6 units, plus 8 Mogami class.
How credible is Jagarin Pane's information, does he an insider in Mindef?

About Rafale, the one that I dont't like is its speed which is below Mach 2. Perhaps, the French still can't make powerful jet engine for Rafale. If it is using a US made jet engine probably will have more speed and thrust to weight ratio.

The MoD would trying to get US fighter and an advance ones to boot, if they can't get F35 (nego is still going on) they would rather taking F 15 EX instead of F 16 V. This mean everything for us, technically and politically....

 

[Umigami]

According Jagarin Pane's latest article: KFX program still continued on, Iver could become 6 units, plus 8 Mogami class.
How credible is Jagarin Pane's information, does he an insider in Mindef?

About Rafale, the one that I dont't like is its speed which is below Mach 2. Perhaps, the French still can't make powerful jet engine for Rafale. If it is using a US made jet engine probably will have more speed and thrust to weight ratio.

Mach 2 capability is mubazir anyway. Almost no aerial combat happen with speed exceeding 1.6 mach. Even F16 can only reach it for limited time with Clean configuration.

Look at trends of Latest gen fighters (F35, F18, Rafale, KF21, etc) almost all of them are "slow". Supercruise capability is more important.

 

[Ravager]

According Jagarin Pane's latest article: KFX program still continued on, Iver could become 6 units, plus 8 Mogami class.
How credible is Jagarin Pane's information, does he an insider in Mindef?

About Rafale, the one that I dont't like is its speed which is below Mach 2. Perhaps, the French still can't make powerful jet engine for Rafale. If it is using a US made jet engine probably will have more speed and thrust to weight ratio.

Don't listen to him . Atleast Alman helvas was a former jane associate while jagpan was a pure dreamer . Mind mastubator on stereoid .

He is persistent tho' ....

 

[Madokafc]

Don't listen to him . Atleast Alman helvas was a former jane associate while jagpan was a pure dreamer . Mind mastubator on stereoid .

He is persistent tho' ....

Meanwhile who am i? A former Junior high schooler with penchant to listen some Abang siomay who set up his stall in front of my office?

There is indeed talk about the expand of air defense units within Air Force, after Teluk Naga unit, the most urgent one is to equipped Iswahyudi Air Force base, Roesmin Nurjadin AFB and Hasanuddin AFB along with one in Kalimantan and very possibly in Papua far later.

 

[Umigami]

Meanwhile who am i? A former Junior high schooler with penchant to listen some Abang siomay who set up his stall in front of my office?

There is indeed talk about the expand of air defense units within Air Force, after Teluk Naga unit, the most urgent one is to equipped Iswahyudi Air Force base, Roesmin Nurjadin AFB and Hasanuddin AFB along with one in Kalimantan and very possibly in Papua far later.

All of them Nassams?

Halim Perdana Kusuma 1986

Dassault now: pembalasan yg sempurna

 

[Parry Brima]

About Rafale, the one that I dont't like is its speed which is below Mach 2.

You want Mach 2? There's always Eurofighters

 

[Ravager]

Meanwhile who am i? A former Junior high schooler with penchant to listen some Abang siomay who set up his stall in front of my office?

There is indeed talk about the expand of air defense units within Air Force, after Teluk Naga unit, the most urgent one is to equipped Iswahyudi Air Force base, Roesmin Nurjadin AFB and Hasanuddin AFB along with one in Kalimantan and very possibly in Papua far later.

We are nothing but plebs but jagarin take things too far when he publish/release his own interpretation and conjuction all solely by his own assumption . We all love to gossip and mock each other while silently collecting juicy rumours . but presenting an assumption article to public and yet called it as " planned " Next expansion was a tad bit too sour for my taste ....

There are a reason why most of the old formilf guard are distancing themself from him ....

 

[Madokafc]

All of them Nassams?

Halim Perdana Kusuma 1986

Dassault now: pembalasan yg sempurna

Nassams for now, LORAD still on the road of "talking talking" for now especially after Army had interest to get and operated the LORAD system and they had several valid reason for that.

 

[Zuko]

36 as far as what he told me is true

Hearing Macron plan to visit Indonesia in July....so maybe signing will happen then after all....??

 

[Madokafc]

Hearing Macron plan to visit Indonesia in July....so maybe signing will happen then after all....??

Signing? More like announcement to me, but hey they still had some document to be signed so "formally"

 

[Ravager]

Nassams for now, LORAD still on the road of "talking talking" for now especially after Army had interest to get and operated the LORAD system and they had several valid reason for that.

Isn't the AF are still pitching in for their KOHANUDNAS elements ?? And both make a compelled argument for it too ....

Signing? More like announcement to me, but hey they still had some document to be signed so "formally"

Nothing but a fanfare ..... Yet , this is Indonesia Ceremonial matter are part and parcel of life to be had .... Sigh

 

[trishna_amrta]

A little airshow for our fans out there

 

[Parry Brima]

The MoD would trying to get US fighter and an advance ones to boot, if they can't get F35 (nego is still going on)

We're still in talks for F-35?

"We plan to have $32 bil for maintenance, damnit! Why not!"

 

[Umigami]

A little airshow for our fans out there

Me too

Waiting for our turn:

 

[Parry Brima]

Some interesting points about Croatian Rafale deal.

"Croatia will obtain 12 second-hand Dassault Rafale fighters. The deal is valued at €999 million ($1.2 billion) with the aircraft to start arriving in 2024.

The deal, which includes support and training, comprise 10 single-seaters and a pair of twin-seat jets.

The airframes have around 3,800 flight hours remaining of a 7,000h hour total, with the option of extending this to 9,000h.

Some analysis shows the potential of another lifetime extension and a service span even through to 2050 or 2060."

Croatia extends Rafale export wins to five countries

Croatia will obtain 12 second-hand Dassault Rafale fighters, as the French type continues its string of export successes.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Barjo]

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