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When the acquisition of KF 21 happen? Pre-2024 or after 2024?That's why they Made revised Blue Book as the effort to include Boramae project financing scheme
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When the acquisition of KF 21 happen? Pre-2024 or after 2024?That's why they Made revised Blue Book as the effort to include Boramae project financing scheme
When the acquisition of KF 21 happen? Pre-2024 or after 2024?
For air patrol fake block 52 is enough until 2045 (if we maintain it good and keep upgrade it).52id is fake true block 52. i wouldn't touch that thing with a stick especially if you're going to operate it until at least 2045
make rafale and F15 (as 1st line fighter) do the fancy stuff and let F16 (as 2nd line) do the boring stuff.For me prioritize rafale (36) and Eagle 2 (at least 1 squadron).
36+36 Vipers is Good but for Kohanudnas only.
F35 is a MUST, but we can wait.
those plane aren't done yet , expect the worst scenario to find some mishap or defect in the testing process/phase , and we need to "kucur" more money for optimization / improvement if such case happened .When the acquisition of KF 21 happen? Pre-2024 or after 2024?
Well said !!More or less.
Rightly or wrongly, we've learned that no countries are really our "friends". Whether the West, East, near or far.
Even today when things look quite 'clear-cut' - geopolitically speaking - we're still trying to maintain the status quo for ourselves. That makes us being seen either as a potential ally as well as potential enemy for each and every countries involved in the region.
This is where you are dead wrong. All USD (US$) defence procurement using foreign loan has to go thru Bappenas and KemenKeu, and mindef is the one who made the decission how much, what type, when the assets is going to be purchased. Bappenas have no jurisdiction whatsoever if we talking about domestic loan/purchase using Rupiah. The APBN draw down can be used to purchase foreign assets/parts (ex: parts, services) using USD or other foreign currency but it has to be paid by cash not loan. This type of spending is under jurisdiction of each matra/TNI, kemenhan has no jurisdiction over it.so what has been said by Ananda in Defense Talk saying it is all foreign loan is not true. Minister of Planning talked about overall spending of defense equipment until 2024, so it is not specifically talking about foreign loan, it means the foreign loan taken will be less than 20 billion USD.
What a coincidence, me too!I am just former middle schooler who usually bought siomay Bandung in front of my school
What a coincidence, me too!
But if the govt allocated $20 bil for alutsista purchase (2020 - 2024), we can get many things that its hard to imagine before. This may become the start of our shopping spree, ToT man we should get a lots of it.
What he is trying to say is prolly there is someone who involved in the latest F16 deal we had back then in 08 team now. If you remember we almost get another Sukhoi when F16 nyalip di tikungan terakhir (good decission imho). So his team can have lobby partner to get latest Viper block deal into motion and head to head with Rafale.See this make me think that you have the privileges of knowing informations that are not available in open source, at least some informations.
There is one card the our government has but not yet been activated, its called dana alokasi khususActually would be more as the revised budget alocation still at the discussion of several Ministry. But to cope with the coming and already signed contract deals the 20 Billion US Dollar alocation lot is still decent number. The total number agreed verbally in principal (from the 125 Billion proposal of Mr 08) by MoF likely would be around Twice than that. As there is lot of whole list by the golden boy of Armed Forces branch (the Army) is still at draft and would be pushed in 2022 onward and most of them is premium stuff from US and European Union and there is some middle East stuff.
Btw the current time, Government pushed more on trade offset compared to lenghty process of ToT, including easy of access to European Union market for several of our critical products and Counter trade deal with US (our promise to do so still being noticed by Biden admin), Japan and Middle East, in which all of them would provide Indonesia with direct economy benefit far more beneficial to cope with current economy crisis caused by pandemic and to reach more target on Investment. This soft loan to acquire weapon system actually part of Government effort to mitigate economy crisis with joint efforts from like minded Countries. That's the biggest reason MoF and Presiden himself Made leeway for Mr 08 to pursue his Defense Economy negotiation.
There is one card the our government has but not yet been activated, its called dana alokasi khusus
Best of luck in your upcoming project, that combine deal of latest viper + ex-gurun looks promising to strengthen our AU
OK, is it kind of hibah from Pemda? I'm suck at this kind of Government terminology.dana alokasi khusus
Not that i am against other fighter in Indonesia, naturally you just need to beaten down your competitor but with actual facts. There is reason why Super Hercules can got thorough the tender against the likes of A400 M , as fact is stated they are the most resilience design of multipurpose lifter aircraft ever exist. And i believe F16 V is one of the best workhorse type fighter from bunch out there as TNI AU already operated the legacy type of them and know them better, at the level of how F 15 Made other strike and air superiority fighter is pale in comparison of capability they have and profile of mission they had accomplished.
Bold 1: for what?We heard this sales pitch countless times before. We don't need this. It sounds like afterthought anyway.
Ok, I'll make a very reasonable offer for you. We'll buy those 72 Falcons, but you have to give us the production license for F-16V. Full backing, full support, full guidance, full assistance, full responsibility for long-term (30-40 years). You'll teach and guide us from A-to-Z how to make formidable 4th-4.5th gen aircraft. The target is, the next F-16V (or whatever the next 4.5th gen you have) that we need, must be produced in-house.
We have been giving you a lot of money for decades. We would even give you a lot more money if we agree to this. Billions of dollars. That's people money. Our money. We've been feeding you. The average Indonesians who struggling with their daily life have been filing up your pockets. So this is the least that you can give us.
We don't even need your money. We only need your knowledge & expertise.
Deal?
More investment, kind of sad thou..Btw the current time, Government pushed more on trade offset compared to lenghty process of ToT, including easy of access to European Union market for several of our critical products and Counter trade deal with US (our promise to do so still being noticed by Biden admin), Japan and Middle East, in which all of them would provide Indonesia with direct economy benefit far more beneficial to cope with current economy crisis caused by pandemic and to reach more target on Investment.
We heard this sales pitch countless times before. We don't need this. It sounds like afterthought anyway.
Ok, I'll make a very reasonable offer for you. We'll buy those 72 Falcons, but you have to give us the production license for F-16V. Full backing, full support, full guidance, full assistance, full responsibility for long-term (30-40 years). You'll teach and guide us from A-to-Z how to make formidable 4th-4.5th gen aircraft. The target is, the next F-16V (or whatever the next 4.5th gen you have) that we need, must be produced in-house.
We have been giving you a lot of money for decades. We would even give you a lot more money if we agree to this. Billions of dollars. That's people money. Our money. We've been feeding you. The average Indonesians who struggling with their daily life have been filing up your pockets. So this is the least that you can give us.
We don't even need your money. We only need your knowledge & expertise.
Deal?
All Lockheed Martin needs to do is just print what I said, give it to the President, and say it loud and clear "This is our offer!".
Pretty sure he'd say yes
Just please, pretty please, take nickel off the table. It's one of few remaining strategic resources we have which will be far more beneficial for us in the long run if we're just keep sticking to our plan to make battery and EV vehicle production centers in here.including easy of access to European Union market for several of our critical products
Oh, and speaking about EVs - especially since this is a thread about Indonesian Air Force - we're heading for a future where electric passenger airplanes are going to be widely used, at least for ranges of 300 km and below. In military terms, while they won't replace conventional combat aircrafts which use fossil based fuels anytime soon, but the implication is clear especially if we're going to build more of our own UAV / UCAV after Elang Hitam.Just please, pretty please, take nickel off the table. It's one of few remaining strategic resources we have which will be far more beneficial for us in the long run if we're just keep sticking to our plan to make battery and EV vehicle production centers in here.
That is, unless some technological breaktrough happening in the near future that will only makes us lose our advantage.
is EV passenger plane already a thing ? i thought hydrogen is going to be the next one before EV getting matured , the latest varian of Boeing Insitu Scaneagle 3 also proposed to use hydrogen .Oh, and speaking about EVs - especially since this is a thread about Indonesian Air Force - we're heading for a future where electric passenger airplanes are going to be widely used, at least for ranges of 300 km and below. In military terms, while they won't replace conventional combat aircrafts which use fossil based fuels anytime soon, but the implication is clear especially if we're going to build more of our own UAV / UCAV after Elang Hitam.
is EV passenger plane alredy a thing ? i thought hydrogen is going to be the next one before EV getting matured .