Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[HellFireIndo]

Someone posted the pic in Pakdef back then (I think it was mado), IIRC its a screenshot from document, there is detailed information about how RSAF would destroy our armored column, also map of the newly created greater Singapore, but of course its just their imagination, its seems its not only Indonesian that enjoy doing some kecubung stuff, our neighbor also like to get high on those herbal product.

6 days war Singaporean version
Do they even have capacity to hold on to that new territory in long term?

They like to compared themselve like Israel surrounded by hostile neighbours.

I mean Israel has a long list of war experiences. Singapore has what? they never participated actively in any war whatsoever, and the only instance where they experience conventional war was the disastrous Fall of Singapore. Even then, in that war, only the Malay, Indian, and Bule troops participated, heck even with the British commander their defeat was the ultimate blunder. Then they hope that they gonna have ANY chance of imitating Israel with such a misplaced expectation? Their supposed superiority is only an illusion created by wishful thinking.

Besides, Singaporeans are indoctrinated. Unlike our population which only the dumbest swallow propaganda, smart Singaporeans are also high on copium. You can see in any military forum and comment section of military videos, Singaporeans will parrot each other, saying what other SG are saying. They say SG is like Israel others will say SG is like Israel, People say Lt. Adnan is a war hero, others will also say Lt. Adnan is a war hero. You see, their "confidence" comes from indoctrination, and is irrational belief made through the illusion of superiority.

 

[Mandala]

I mean Israel has a long list of war experiences. Singapore has what? they never participated actively in any war whatsoever, and the only instance where they experience conventional war was the disastrous Fall of Singapore. Even then, in that war, only the Malay, Indian, and Bule troops participated, heck even with the British commander their defeat was the ultimate blunder. Then they hope that they gonna have ANY chance of imitating Israel with such a misplaced expectation? Their supposed superiority is only an illusion created by wishful thinking.

Besides, Singaporeans are indoctrinated. Unlike our population which only the dumbest swallow propaganda, smart Singaporeans are also high on copium. You can see in any military forum and comment section of military videos, Singaporeans will parrot each other, saying what other SG are saying. They say SG is like Israel others will say SG is like Israel, People say Lt. Adnan is a war hero, others will also say Lt. Adnan is a war hero. You see, their "confidence" comes from indoctrination, and is irrational belief made through the illusion of superiority.

I was once a member of a SG military forum. Unfortunately that forum is now closed. News of Indonesia getting the Rheinmetall Leopard Revolution made some of them butthurt. Saying why SG allies are providing Indonesia with better tanks than them. I was like WTH. So indonesia doesn't have the right to have military hardwares that is more advanced than SG...huh?

 

[FPXAllen]

Uhh, guys and gals? I think we better move on from commenting about other forums and how some people will always look down at us, no?

I don't mean to rain on our parade, though. I know it's tempting especially given good news that we've received from the past couple of days but, really, there will always be idiots who will see our country as some kind of sh*thole not worth to even exist, and us as some kind of "untermensch" not worth to breathe the same air as them. One thing for sure that will always stand in the way against those idiots no matter how hard they try to deny it, is the fact that we have much more potential to outgrow their own countries.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm also in the same boat as all of you since it gives me a giddy feeling knowing that once we - "the underdogs" - flex our muscle a bit, it delivers a nasty shock to those who always take us for granted. But rather than beating back their online as*es, we can do better by ensuring that we still have a lot more muscles to flex next time so they can one up their own as*hole by themselves. At least that's what my take on this.

So just let the kafilah barks and the dogs to walk away, shall we? Err...

Anyway,...

Back to Rafale and F-15ID, although we can say with a degree of certainty that we will have 42 Rafale jets which delivery will be completed some time around 2030 (presumably), there's still remain a yet unanswered question about how many F-15ID that we will acquire. Please remember, that 36 number is what we've given permission to buy which does not necessarily mean that it's the actual quantity that we will buy.

As for me, I would like to discuss beyond what we're facing now especially regarding the buildup of our air power. What will it be like in the next 20-30 years beyond the potential conflict in the North Natuna Sea, the "warming up" in the region as well as in other regions. I think this is especially important because while (at least some of) our interests align with what the AUKUS, QUAD etc. have at the moment due to the threat coming from up North, but our foreign policy still dictates us not to take any sides which makes us both a potential "ally" as well as potential "enemy" for all involved parties.

What do you all think?

 

[Madokafc]

Uhh, guys and gals? I think we better move on from commenting about other forums and how some people will always look down at us, no?

I don't mean to rain on our parade, though. I know it's tempting especially given good news that we've received from the past couple of days but, really, there will always be idiots who will see our country as some kind of sh*thole not worth to even exist, and us as some kind of "untermensch" not worth to breathe the same air as them. One thing for sure that will always stand in the way against those idiots no matter how hard they try to deny it, is the fact that we have much more potential to outgrow their own countries.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm also in the same boat as all of you since it gives me a giddy feeling knowing that once we - "the underdogs" - flex our muscle a bit, it delivers a nasty shock to those who always take us for granted. But rather than beating back their online as*es, we can do better by ensuring that we still have a lot more muscles to flex next time so they can one up their own as*hole by themselves. At least that's what my take on this.

So just let the kafilah barks and the dogs to walk away, shall we? Err...

Anyway,...

Back to Rafale and F-15ID, although we can say with a degree of certainty that we will have 42 Rafale jets which delivery will be completed some time around 2030 (presumably), there's still remain a yet unanswered question about how many F-15ID that we will acquire. Please remember, that 36 number is what we've given permission to buy which does not necessarily mean that it's the actual quantity that we will buy.

As for me, I would like to discuss beyond what we're facing now especially regarding the buildup of our air power. What will it be like in the next 20-30 years beyond the potential conflict in the North Natuna Sea, the "warming up" in the region as well as in other regions. I think this is especially important because while (at least some of) our interests align with what the AUKUS, QUAD etc. have at the moment due to the threat coming from up North, but our foreign policy still dictates us not to take any sides which makes us both a potential "ally" as well as potential "enemy" for all involved parties.

What do you all think?

36; is according to our request so they put the number

 

[Soman45]

Okay just add a little, because the last few days news about our acquisition is quite big, i take a look at some forum and media outlets, and what i can see from the foreigners reaction more or less are like this :

: - kita kaji kaji terus sampai mampus la
- tahniah indonesia
- kita sibuk dengan politaik sementara jiran kita beli aset strategic
: I DON'T BELIEVE IT....
: meanwhile ours i'm so envy
: where they got their money? IT'S MUST BE FROM OUR AID!!!
: welcome to the club
: wrong move Indonesia, why don't you buy our gen 99999 JF-17 it's much better.....
: so you guys got that much money but not payed KFX?!

 

[FPXAllen]

36; is according to our request so they put the number

Indeed, but it's still the same case as DSCA for Osprey, right? We requested, they put the numbers.

The reason why I wrote my previous post is because we still don't know how many from that 36 that we will actually buy. That is, unless you know something that I don't about this *wink* *wink*

 

[FPXAllen]

: where they got their money? IT'S MUST BE FROM OUR AID!!!

Right. I should modify my earlier post a bit because those bogans who always said that are getting on my nerves as well

 

[Parry Brima]

Uhh, guys and gals? I think we better move on from commenting about other forums and how some people will always look down at us, no?

I don't mean to rain on our parade, though. I know it's tempting especially given good news that we've received from the past couple of days but, really, there will always be idiots who will see our country as some kind of sh*thole not worth to even exist, and us as some kind of "untermensch" not worth to breathe the same air as them. One thing for sure that will always stand in the way against those idiots no matter how hard they try to deny it, is the fact that we have much more potential to outgrow their own countries.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm also in the same boat as all of you since it gives me a giddy feeling knowing that once we - "the underdogs" - flex our muscle a bit, it delivers a nasty shock to those who always take us for granted. But rather than beating back their online as*es, we can do better by ensuring that we still have a lot more muscles to flex next time so they can one up their own as*hole by themselves. At least that's what my take on this.

So just let the kafilah barks and the dogs to walk away, shall we? Err...

Anyway,...

Back to Rafale and F-15ID, although we can say with a degree of certainty that we will have 42 Rafale jets which delivery will be completed some time around 2030 (presumably), there's still remain a yet unanswered question about how many F-15ID that we will acquire. Please remember, that 36 number is what we've given permission to buy which does not necessarily mean that it's the actual quantity that we will buy.

As for me, I would like to discuss beyond what we're facing now especially regarding the buildup of our air power. What will it be like in the next 20-30 years beyond the potential conflict in the North Natuna Sea, the "warming up" in the region as well as in other regions. I think this is especially important because while (at least some of) our interests align with what the AUKUS, QUAD etc. have at the moment due to the threat coming from up North, but our foreign policy still dictates us not to take any sides which makes us both a potential "ally" as well as potential "enemy" for all involved parties.

What do you all think?

$13.9 bil is simply too expensive. Especially if it's true that the 100 new fighters plan will include 50 KF-21 Boramae.

So IF KF-21 is accounted into the 100, it will be 42 Rafales + 50 KF-21 + one squadron of F-15ID. Probably 12 or 16 F-15ID.

Unless KF-21 isn't included into the 100, then it could be more.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492771613762527235

 

[HellFireIndo]

Just how big was the money aid OZ gave us every year to make them thinking like that?

Low enough for us to be irrelevant, but big enough in their mind that makes them think they can sanction us by withholding their receh aid money (which we never beg for anyway).

 

[Lordimperator]

MA

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492771613762527235

Why there is gerindra faction eventhou 08 is head of their fac?

Also Madam C, which i guess she comethere to promotes J 31 or J20

 

[Lordimperator]

those bogans who always said that are getting on my nerves as well

Maybe they miss the day our Tupolev gave them love letters

 

[Var Dracon]

MA
Why there is gerindra faction eventhou 08 is head of their fac?

Also Madam C, which i guess she comethere to promotes J 31 or J20

To balance whatever the f_k they gonna argue

 

[Mandala]

$13.9 bil is simply too expensive. Especially if it's true that the 100 new fighters plan will include 50 KF-21 Boramae.

So IF KF-21 is accounted into the 100, it will be 42 Rafales + 50 KF-21 + one squadron of F-15ID. Probably 12 or 16 F-15ID.

Unless KF-21 isn't included into the 100, then it could be more.

It would be possible if the USD 125 billion MoD have to spend to 2024 is true.

 

[Mandala]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1492771613762527235

Andy Widjajanto is way better as a military analyst guest rather than Connie.

 

[Lordimperator]

Andy Widjajanto is way better as a military analyst guest rather than Connie.

Well most likely they invited whoever could support their camp

 

[Mandala]

Well most likely they invited whoever could support their camp

Yeah i guess so.

 

[Umigami]

Please tell me, this approval notice we got from DSCA, is it already clear that we could get Eagle with all that listed equipment OR congress (or any US entity) could still block whole sale or some equipment?

 

[FPXAllen]

"So, I say, like what I've been trying to sell tell to the government and air force, we should buy J-10 and J-31 instead!"
Madam C - probably.

 

[Lordimperator]

31 instead

Stealth, twin engine, cheaper, and most likely they will give me bonus