Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[HellFireIndo]

You know what, with the killer combo of Rafale, Eagle II, and Boramae, in the near future, our air force will finally surpass the capability of AURI in their prime.

 

[Lordimperator]

capability of AURI in their prime.

With a bigger threat ofc

 

[Zuko]

The New F-15EX Scored Some Kills in Its First Big Wargame

The bad news: The fighter also got shot down.

www.popularmechanics.com

An interesting article from last year. US is still trying to figure out how to best use F15ex, considering that the 2 main strengths of F15ex is its radar and payload.

"The Air Force has discussed pairing the F-15EX with a stealth fighter and using the pair as a long-range, air-to-air missile launch platform—a tactic that could help keep it alive in combat. Paired with similar non-stealthy fighters, the Super Eagle may perform poorly"

If we are looking at similar tactic, then pairing with KF-21 may make sense. Of course KF-21 may need to dispatch its external armaments in such role so its stealthy features can be optimized.

 

[Madokafc]

You know what, with the killer combo of Rafale, Eagle II, and Boramae, in the near future, our air force will finally surpass the capability of AURI in their prime.

Actually my concern is, the number still quite small compared to our Airspace area must be protected and guarded, still having a much bigger threat than ever (comparable to what the Netherlands Indies must face during late 1930's). Even 70 to 80 (Rafale and F15EX) high end fighter is only comparable to around two or three Aviation units within carrier strike group. That's why i still recommended to have more fighter, including light fighter aircraft.

Without allies, we are responsible for ourselves. To defend our freedom and pursue non Aligned foreign policy there is a price we must paid afterall....

 

[Lordimperator]

its external armaments in such role so its stealthy features can be optimized.

With the gun only?

 

[Lordimperator]

have more fighter, including light fighter aircraft

How many LIFT do we propose to complement the trio double engine fighter?

 

[Madokafc]

I am almost forgeting, there is also loyal wingman program like the US, Australia and South Korean envisaged to engage in near future. We should take the routes too to compensated the lack of number of our airframe we had.

 

[Madokafc]

How many LIFT do we propose to complement the trio double engine fighter?

Should be no less than five more squadron.

 

[Lordimperator]

Australia

Correct me if i am wrong, the RAAF Boeing loyal wing man act as stealth bomb truck while the main fighter F35 act as their radar/ target locker?

 

[Madokafc]

Correct me if i am wrong, the RAAF Boeing loyal wing man act as stealth bomb truck while the main fighter F35 act as their radar/ target locker?

The UAV will be designed to act as a "loyal wingman" that is controlled by a parent aircraft to accomplish tasks such as scouting or absorbing enemy fire if attacked as well as operating independently

The Loyal Wingman is an unmanned aircraft which incorporates artificial intelligence and utilises a modular mission package system in the nose where the entire nose of the aircraft can be removed and quickly swapped for another nose with a different set of equipment or armaments for various missions including combat, force reconnaissance and electronic warfare.

 

[Zuko]

With the gun only?

Feels naked indeed ....

Except if we go to Block 3 stealth optimized with internal weapon bays. That may means beyond 2030 though.

 

[HellFireIndo]

Actually my concern is, the number still quite small compared to our Airspace area must be protected and guarded, still having a much bigger threat than ever (comparable to what the Netherlands Indies must face during late 1930's). Even 70 to 80 (Rafale and F15EX) high end fighter is only comparable to around two or three Aviation units within carrier strike group. That's why i still recommended to have more fighter, including light fighter aircraft.

Without allies, we are responsible for ourselves. To defend our freedom and pursue non Aligned foreign policy there is a price we must paid afterall....

Tbh the key is to concentrate forces in an event of peer-to-peer air combat. The key to US victory at the Battle of Midway is that they were able to concentrate airpower on to a single point at a critical time. While Japanese failure was the exact opposite, they divide forces and couldn't get enough planes in the sky at one time, even worse they split the focus on the enemy fleet and also the Midway island.

So the paradigm that stretched and spread out geographical area requires also stretched and spread out air assets isn't always a correct assumption. Because the concentration of force beats dispersion of force. During the Japanese invasion, KNIL actually has an adequate number of airstrips spread across the country, but these were proven to be useless due to them being empty or only having a limited number of capable planes. Even if we assume they are all manned equally with a full squadron, that wouldn't be that effective against the Japs fleet anyway, because it would lack concentration of mass. KNIL already failed with their idea of hiding their planes behind, instead of going all out early, which could've struck a major blow to the invasion force.

If we imagine an adversary having 160 planes and we have 60, but they spread that 160 out to 5 different points, hence each squadron of 32 planes, we could still potentially beat them if we could concentrate and combine all or most of these 60 planes at a single point. That's a general idea, so put our situation into that perspective, which one makes more sense, whether we copy the idea of spreading the squadron out? or to concentrate? I personally use this illustration to argue that our geographical area has less to do with how the means or ways our air capability should be developed, because defense policy has a greater impact than geography in my opinion.

 

[Madokafc]

Tbh the key is to concentrate forces in an event of peer-to-peer air combat. The key to US victory at the Battle of Midway is that they were able to concentrate airpower on to a single point at a critical time. While Japanese failure was the exact opposite, they divide forces and couldn't get enough planes in the sky at one time, even worse they split the focus on the enemy fleet and also the Midway island.

So the paradigm that stretched and spread out geographical area requires also stretched and spread out air assets isn't always a correct assumption. Because the concentration of force beats dispersion of force. During the Japanese invasion, KNIL actually has an adequate number of airstrips spread across the country, but these were proven to be useless due to them being empty or only having a limited number of capable planes. Even if we assume they are all manned equally with a full squadron, that wouldn't be that effective against the Japs fleet anyway, because it would lack concentration of mass. KNIL already failed with their idea of hiding their planes behind, instead of going all out early, which could've struck a major blow to the invasion force.

If we imagine an adversary having 160 planes and we have 60, but they spread that 160 out to 5 different points, hence each squadron of 32 planes, we could still potentially beat them if we could concentrate and combine all or most of these 60 planes at a single point. That's a general idea, so put our situation into that perspective, which one makes more sense, whether we copy the idea of spreading the squadron out? or to concentrate? I personally use this illustration to argue that our geographical area has less to do with how the means or ways our air capability should be developed, because defense policy has a greater impact than geography in my opinion.

Thanks for your input, but even with concentration of power at several important points, we already stretched too thin even to do the most menial thing and have little impact for their existence. Let's say we got 180 fighter, with three air command units. If they giving each of them around 60 units readily available fighter that's mean around four to five squadron each. That's around a carrier Aviation full strength power. In paper that's quite nice to have for an Aviation command units, compared to today scenario that's already heaven and earth. But the reality still far from perfect scenario, we must calculated the worst scenario. Like how the availability Rates of Rafale still hovering between fifty to sixty percentage, and for KF21 must be worse than that by 2030 as they are still newly developed fighter with all the glitches needed to be solved, logistic difficulty (especially considering the munition availability) and so on.

 

[FPXAllen]

which one makes more sense, whether we copy the idea of spreading the squadron out? or to concentrate?

If we take your example of US vs Japan's air strategy in Midway during WWII, Japan as the one which was largely still advancing elsewhere in the Pacific, really didn't have much choice. Midway was one of their goals while the US can prioritize defending Midway especially after they managed to intercept and deciphered Japanese communication.

From the way I see it, we don't need to have - say - some 60 fighter squadrons spread evenly in all of our airbases - or at least the most critical ones in all of our territory. But then again, especially considering our geographical condition, we still need at least one or two fighter squadrons to remain standby on each and every said airbases while the main attacking force could comprises of several fighter squadrons to deal with one hotspot. The remaining squadrons not assigned as the attacking force could then be positioned as a reserve, or as the second attacking force should another hotspot suddenly appears.

This is simply because the invader(s) most likely will not put their eggs in one basket and choose to launch a multi-pronged attacks instead.

In a sense, this is sort of a combination of Japan and US strategy in Midway where we can't afford to concentrate most or all of our air power in one hotspot while neglecting the remaining airbases far outside of it, while we should also able to mount a heavy response to the enemy's advance in one area.

 

[Lordimperator]

invader(s) most likely will not put their eggs in one basket and choose to launch a multi-pronged attacks instead

What do you think about their CSG in the upcoming decades? Now with the type 1 and 2 ready, and 3 in building

 

[Madokafc]

What do you think about their CSG in the upcoming decades? Now with the type 1 and 2 ready, and 3 in building

That's a grim prospect for any South East Asia and East Asia Nations, they and the US Forces, any clashes, direct or indirect, would be devastating for us. If this Nation still insist to play netral, only by becoming strong militarily you can avoid a disaster. Or else you Will become subject of coercion or any foreign ill Will.

 

[Mandala]

Andi Widjajanto will be the National Defense Institution (Lemhanas) Governor.

Jokowi Lantik Andi Widjajanto sebagai Gubernur Lemhannas Hari Ini

Presiden Jokowi dijadwalkan melantik Andi Widjajanto sebagai Gubernur Lemhannas hari ini menggantikan Agus Widjojo yang bertugas jadi Dubes RI untuk Filipina.

www.cnnindonesia.com

 

[schuimpjes]

With the gun only?

Looks like US just found solution for it

F-22 Raptor Spotted Flying With Stealthy Underwing Pods

The pods are likely part of an ongoing initiative to retain the F-22's potency until its replacement arrives.

www.thedrive.com

But still not clear what are those pods actually, are those enclosed weapon pods or EW pods or even IRST.

 

[Umigami]

Take its accuracy with grain of salt

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495464775156862977

 

[HellFireIndo]

Andi Widjajanto will be the National Defense Institution (Lemhanas) Governor.

Jokowi Lantik Andi Widjajanto sebagai Gubernur Lemhannas Hari Ini

Presiden Jokowi dijadwalkan melantik Andi Widjajanto sebagai Gubernur Lemhannas hari ini menggantikan Agus Widjojo yang bertugas jadi Dubes RI untuk Filipina.

www.cnnindonesia.com

Perfect position, probably even more suitable than being a Menhan, as Lemhannas is our national strategic think tank and is in charge of educating our national leadership. Andi as an intellectual in the strategic studies field will do good in the position.