Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Parry Brima]

There's always Wing Loong or Bayraktar Akinci.

There's always Eurofighter as well

 

[R4duga]

Biden administration wrestles with selling armed drones to Indonesia​

The country's human rights abuses, and past purchases of Russian equipment, are among the concerns in Washington.

President Joe Biden meets with Indonesian President Joko Widodo during the COP26 U.N. Climate Summit, on Nov. 1, 2021, in Edinburgh, Scotland. | Evan Vucci/AP Photo

By PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
11/11/2021 01:01 PM EST

The State Department is mulling the sale of armed drones to Indonesia, but concerns over human rights abuses and the country’s past purchases of Russian equipment have set off a debate inside the Biden administration over approving the move, according to government and defense industry officials.

The Indonesian government wants a new package of armed drones as it modernizes its fleet of aging fighter planes, though the country has cast a wide and tangled net as it claims to be considering new planes from Russia, South Korea, France and the United States.

Jakarta's request to purchase armed MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones, which was confirmed by three people both in government and with ties to the defense industry, comes as Washington is also considering selling Qatar four MQ-9B Predator drones. The proposed sale to Qatar was first reported by the Wall Street Journal, but the debate over selling armed drones to Indonesia has not previously been reported.

Read more:

Biden administration wrestles with selling armed drones to Indonesia

The country's human rights abuses, and past purchases of Russian equipment, are among the concerns in Washington.

www.politico.com

they may have workaround for HR issues, but since those kemhan canteen security chirping out so much a few weeks ago, this one is probably the main problem :

"There is also uncertainty over whether Indonesia has the appropriate regulatory processes in place to protect U.S.-made technology, and whether the government could support high-end technology over the long-term. The Indonesian Embassy did not respond to a request for comment, and a State Department spokesperson said the agency does not discuss internal deliberations over potential arms sales."

the DTS.

 

[Umigami]

Biden administration wrestles with selling armed drones to Indonesia​

The country's human rights abuses, and past purchases of Russian equipment, are among the concerns in Washington.

President Joe Biden meets with Indonesian President Joko Widodo during the COP26 U.N. Climate Summit, on Nov. 1, 2021, in Edinburgh, Scotland. | Evan Vucci/AP Photo

By PAUL MCLEARY and LEE HUDSON
11/11/2021 01:01 PM EST

The State Department is mulling the sale of armed drones to Indonesia, but concerns over human rights abuses and the country’s past purchases of Russian equipment have set off a debate inside the Biden administration over approving the move, according to government and defense industry officials.

The Indonesian government wants a new package of armed drones as it modernizes its fleet of aging fighter planes, though the country has cast a wide and tangled net as it claims to be considering new planes from Russia, South Korea, France and the United States.

Jakarta's request to purchase armed MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones, which was confirmed by three people both in government and with ties to the defense industry, comes as Washington is also considering selling Qatar four MQ-9B Predator drones. The proposed sale to Qatar was first reported by the Wall Street Journal, but the debate over selling armed drones to Indonesia has not previously been reported.

Read more:

Biden administration wrestles with selling armed drones to Indonesia

The country's human rights abuses, and past purchases of Russian equipment, are among the concerns in Washington.

www.politico.com

They're not outright refused it. That's a pretty good indication.

 

[JATOSINT]

Of course, the classic high-horse narrative of 'concerns over human rights abuses'

 

[Mandala]

Don't know if the Gray Eagle request is intended for the Air Force or the Army.

From Wiki:

The AH-64E Apache attack helicopter is the first Army rotorcraft with purpose-built MUM-T technology, allowing pilots to remotely control a Gray Eagle, extending the Apache's reach by using the Gray Eagle's sensors and weapons from the helicopter cockpit. Tests demonstrated that the Apache's engagement range increases with MUM-T as the Gray Eagle can designate targets outside the helicopter's own targeting system range, increasing survivability, and potentially needing fewer helicopters as their effectiveness is increased with the inclusion of Gray Eagle. An Apache can control a Gray Eagle and access its sensors and weapons from up to 70 mi (110 km) away.

 

[Parry Brima]

they may have workaround for HR issues, but since those kemhan canteen security chirping out so much a few weeks ago, this one is probably the main problem :

"There is also uncertainty over whether Indonesia has the appropriate regulatory processes in place to protect U.S.-made technology, and whether the government could support high-end technology over the long-term. The Indonesian Embassy did not respond to a request for comment, and a State Department spokesperson said the agency does not discuss internal deliberations over potential arms sales."

the DTS.

Some might argue that this DTS is even more difficult for us to solve than HR issues.

 

[Umigami]

Don't know if the Gray Eagle request is intended for the Air Force or the Army.

From Wiki:

The AH-64E Apache attack helicopter is the first Army rotorcraft with purpose-built MUM-T technology, allowing pilots to remotely control a Gray Eagle, extending the Apache's reach by using the Gray Eagle's sensors and weapons from the helicopter cockpit. Tests demonstrated that the Apache's engagement range increases with MUM-T as the Gray Eagle can designate targets outside the helicopter's own targeting system range, increasing survivability, and potentially needing fewer helicopters as their effectiveness is increased with the inclusion of Gray Eagle. An Apache can control a Gray Eagle and access its sensors and weapons from up to 70 mi (110 km) away.

It show on old andhika perkasa's youtube vid

 

[Umigami]

Of course, the classic high-horse narrative of 'concerns over human rights abuses'

It's our own fault, and it'll keep haunt us for foreseeable future. So, don't do HR abuse anymore.

 

[Gary]

It's our own fault, and it'll keep hunt us for foreseeable future. So, don't do HR abuse anymore.

yup, the military does have a HR problem.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

It's our own fault, and it'll keep hunt us for foreseeable future. So, don't do HR abuse anymore.

what spot did they highlight ? The Communist Party Massacre or more to Santa Cruz incident ?

It just weird how white country describe 3rd nations.

 

[schuimpjes]

Santa Cruz incident

This one was very bad tho, not only for Indonesia, but also for the so-called ABRI Merah-Putih, because the Pangdam Udayana then was Sintong Panjaitan. They were easier to be dumped by so-called ABRI Hijau during de-beni-sasi.

 

[JATOSINT]

It's our own fault, and it'll keep hunt us for foreseeable future. So, don't do HR abuse anymore.

yup, the military does have a HR problem.

I am not saying that we do not have such a problem

 

[flogger]

Don't know if the Gray Eagle request is intended for the Air Force or the Army.

From Wiki:

The AH-64E Apache attack helicopter is the first Army rotorcraft with purpose-built MUM-T technology, allowing pilots to remotely control a Gray Eagle, extending the Apache's reach by using the Gray Eagle's sensors and weapons from the helicopter cockpit. Tests demonstrated that the Apache's engagement range increases with MUM-T as the Gray Eagle can designate targets outside the helicopter's own targeting system range, increasing survivability, and potentially needing fewer helicopters as their effectiveness is increased with the inclusion of Gray Eagle. An Apache can control a Gray Eagle and access its sensors and weapons from up to 70 mi (110 km) away.

Army

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1458975367746576384

I think we know which western countries offer us typhoon that AH talking about.

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1458975367746576384

I think we know which western countries offer US typhoon that AH talking about.

So the US worked with UK + AUS to stab France and now they are getting stabbed by UK?

I thought it's the Italian. Our honeymoon with them hasn't been over yet (even Ducati holds their anger ).

 

[Lordimperator]

typhoon that AH talking about.

Tranche 1?

 

[Umigami]

Tranche 1?

whatever tranche it is, it has to be Captor AESA.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1459013025277485058

@Indos
Wait, so we still renegotiating with them?
Drama isn't over yet?

 

[chiphocks]

It's our own fault, and it'll keep haunt us for foreseeable future. So, don't do HR abuse anymore.

yup, the military does have a HR problem.

Why we have to discuss this thing, again
War (KILLING, Taking Other People Life) is HR abuse.

are they actually think that all of those war they have don't have any HR abuse???
even if it exist AND got recorded AND went viral, do they actually give a sh*t???
Real example : Israel-Palestine

 

[Umigami]

Why we have to discuss this thing, again
War (KILLING, Taking Other People Life) is HR abuse.

are they actually think that all of those war they have don't have any HR abuse???
even if it exist AND got recorded AND went viral, do they actually give a sh*t???
Real example : Israel-Palestine

Pointing out their sins isn't how you lobby someone.