Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Umigami]

but there would be a drama caused by that Elta's EL/M-2032
or maybe switch it to AN/APG-79?

Our current TA50 already use elta now, and....?
No drama.

 

[Lordimperator]

TA50 already use elta now

Hmm its new for me, When they added the radar? We are not to kolot as our jiran then

 

[chiphocks]

Our current TA50 already use elta now, and....?
No drama.

can you provide a valid link for that??
i've just search for it but nothing about TNI's T50 will get a radar
nothing more than "we have a plan to equip it with a radar" news

 

[Umigami]

can you provide a valid link for that??
i've just search for it but nothing about TNI's T50 will get a radar
nothing more than "we have a plan to equip it with a radar" news

Actually there was this post on 15th squadron instagram IG that they were sending their pilots to Korea to train for elta radar but they quickly edit it.

Also this,

 

[chiphocks]

Actually there was this post on 15th squadron instagram IG that they were sending their pilots to Korea to train for elta radar but they quickly edit it.

Also this,
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is that a valid one?? the cammo in that photo is not TNI's T50i
i found another picture like that from indomiliter.com
they also said something similar to it, but they said TNI haven't decide which one they gonna buy (AN/APG-67 or ELM-2032)

https://www.indomiliter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ELM-2032_725.jpg

web : ELM-2032 vs AN/APG-67

another source that we will put APG-67, but still... i can't tell which one is the right one
web : Indonesia Buy 6 T50i

 

[Umigami]

is that a valid one?? the cammo in that photo is not TNI's T50i
i found another picture like that from indomiliter.com
they also said something similar to it, but they said TNI haven't decide which one they gonna buy (AN/APG-67 or ELM-2032)

https://www.indomiliter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ELM-2032_725.jpg

web : ELM-2032 vs AN/APG-67

another source that we will put APG-67, but still... i can't tell which one is the right one
web : Indonesia Buy 6 T50i

Up until now Putut Reza proof to be a pretty reliable source.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1421502805789925388

 

[Parry Brima]

meanwhile

"Fadjar mengaku, tim dari F-15EX sudah menemuinya untuk membahas rencana pengadaan pesawat tempur tersebut. ”Ini sedikit informasi, F-15 EX timnya sudah datang ke saya. Saya tanya kalau hari ini kita sepakat unit awal pertama yang akan kita terima kira-kira kapan? Jawabannya ya kira-kira tahun 2027,” ujarnya.

"Fadjar admitted that the team from the F-15EX had met him to discuss the plan to procure the fighter aircraft. "This is a little information, the F-15 EX team has come to me, I asked if today we agreed on the first initial unit , when will we receive it? The answer is around 2027, "he said.

https://www.antaranews.com/berita/2600597/tni-au-pastikan-beli-pesawat-tempur-rafale-dan-f-15-ex

It feels like he's complaining instead of confirming.

 

[NEKO]

Indonesia has abandoned a deal to purchase Sukhoi fighter-jets from Russia and has narrowed its acquisition choice to U.S.-made F-15s and French-made Rafales, the Indonesian air force chief said Wednesday.

Air Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo’s revelation followed recent visits to Jakarta by senior officials from France and Russia to boost ties and show their commitment to countries in the Indo-Pacific.

“Regarding the Sukhoi Su-35, with a heavy heart, yes, we have abandoned that plan. We can’t just keep talking about it,” Fadjar told reporters.

Fadjar said Indonesia was no longer interested in Russia’s Sukhois because of a protracted acquisition process, and a fear of U.S. sanctions, although Moscow’s envoy to Jakarta said Wednesday that the deal was not dead yet.

Russia and France, which have territories and a military presence in the Asia-Pacific, had both voiced concern about AUKUS, a newly signed, American-led regional defense pact. France, in particular, was furious about being shut out of the trilateral deal, through which a French deal to sell nuclear-powered submarine to Australia collapsed.

“The F-15 EX team has come to me and they told us if we signed an agreement today, we will receive the first units around 2027,” Fadjar said.

The Indonesian air force chief did not give details about its potential purchases or indicate whether its acquisitions would include both F-15XS warplanes and Rafales. He said his force had proposed adding a maximum of three squadrons – that is, 12 to 24 planes per squadron – of F-15EXs and/or Rafales.

Officials at the Ministry of Defense, meanwhile, have repeatedly refused to comment on the fate of the Sukhoi deal. On Wednesday, they could not be immediately reached to confirm the news announced by Fadjar.

Earlier this year, Indonesia said it planned to acquire eight of Boeing’s F-15EXs. The Indonesian Air Force currently has 33 F-16s. In June, Indonesia also signed a letter of intent to buy 36 Dassault Rafale fighter-jets.

So when the French foreign minister visited Jakarta last month, the country was hoping for a Rafale sale after Australia dumped a deal it had signed to purchase submarines from France.

After Australia, the United States and the United Kingdom signed the AUKUS pact in August – a move that also infuriated China – some analysts predicted Indonesia might ditch its Sukhoi purchase plan in favor of France.

“Indonesia will likely settle on those fighter jets least likely to incense either China or the U.S., giving France’s Rafale bid an advantage over the others, unless a new contender appears on the horizon,” Indonesian analyst Johannes Nugroho wrote in an article published by the Lowy Institute, an Australian think-tank.


Worry about US sanctions?

Lyudmila Vorobieva, the Russian ambassador to Indonesia, said there was still a chance the Sukhoi deal would materialize.

“I have no new information about that. We still hope that Sukhoi deal will come through,” she told reporters. “It’s up to the Indonesian side to go on with it.”

In March, Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto visited Russia but he did not say whether the Sukhoi deal came up during talks with Russian officials.

In 2018, Indonesia reached an agreement to acquire 11 Sukhoi Su-35s worth U.S. $1.14 billion.

Under the deal, Indonesia agreed to pay for the warplanes through a barter agreement in which Jakarta would exchange a $570 million (8.3 trillion rupiah) package of Indonesian commodities including crude palm oil, rubber and coffee.

But the purchase never happened amid concerns that Indonesia could face U.S. sanctions for buying weapons from Moscow.

A year earlier, U.S. President Donald Trump had signed into law the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions (CAATSA), which imposed sanctions on Iran, Russia, and North Korea.

Under the legislation, countries that engage in “significant transactions” with North Korea, Iran, or Russia through the purchase of military equipment could be placed under U.S. sanctions.

Upgrading military

According to a draft presidential decree that circulated in June 2021, the Indonesian government planned to spend U.S. $125 billion during the next three years to upgrade and modernize its military arsenal.

The government proposed spending $79.1 billion on military equipment, $13.4 billion in interest on 25-year loans from foreign sources, and $32.5 billion on contingencies and maintenance.

Many in the country criticized the plan to spend so much money on the military during a time of pandemic, when so many people had lost their jobs or seen their salaries slashed. The decree’s fate is not yet known.

Since taking office in 2019, Defense Minister Prabowo has visited weapons-producing countries including the U.S., Russia, China and France to secure defense deals.

In addition to plans to buy Rafale and F-15Xs, the Indonesian Defense Ministry earlier this year also unveiled plans to acquire 15 C-130J transport aircraft made by Lockheed Martin in the U.S., and two French Airbus 330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) planes.

Last month, Indonesia also ordered two Airbus A400M transport aircraft in an agreement signed on the sidelines of the Dubai Airshow.

Indonesia Scraps Deal to Buy Russian Sukhois; Will Acquire US, French Warplanes

Jakarta may have wanted to avoid American sanctions for purchasing military equipment from Moscow.

www.benarnews.org

He said his force had proposed adding a maximum of three squadrons – that is, 12 to 24 planes per squadron – of F-15EXs and/or Rafales.

I think we will get both, other than replacement for the F5 we will also get several new squadrons of fighter.

According to a draft presidential decree that circulated in June 2021, the Indonesian government planned to spend U.S. $125 billion during the next three years to upgrade and modernize its military arsenal.
The government proposed spending $79.1 billion on military equipment, $13.4 billion in interest on 25-year loans from foreign sources, and $32.5 billion on contingencies and maintenance.

That much money won't be spent in only 3 years but several decades.

 

[Lordimperator]

That much money won't be spent in only 3 years but several decades.

Ofc, unless we are oil sultanate like ME country

 

[R4duga]

Leader of indonesia people representative council (Parliament), puan maharani visiting F-16AM/BM EMLU.

sources :

Kasau Dampingi Ketua DPR Puan Maharani Tinjau Program e-MLU F-16 TNI AU - Pikiran-Rakyat.com

Ketua DPR RI Puan Maharani mengunjungi Lanud Iswahjudi di Jawa Timur. Disana Puan meninjau program EMLU dari TNI AU

www.pikiran-rakyat.com

Kunjungi Lanud Iswahjudi, Puan Apresiasi Program Modernisasi Pesawat TNI AU

ovasi harus tetap dilaksanakan guna menyiasati kendala penyediaan alat utama sistem persenjataan (Alutsista). Hal tersebut ia nyatakan pada saat meninjau program EMLU (Enhanced Mid Life Update) pesawat tempur F-16 TNI AU, di Pangkalan TNI Angkatan Udara (Lanud) Iswahjudi, Maospati, Jawa Timur...

www.dpr.go.id

Puan Maharani Apresiasi Program Modernisasi Pesawat TNI Angkatan Udara

Puan Maharani Apresiasi Program Modernisasi Pesawat TNI Angkatan Udara foto dok Maospati,Warnanews.com- Ketua DPR RI Dr. (H.C) Puan Maharani didampingi

warnanews.com

Kunjungi Lanud Iswahjudi, Ketua DPR RI Apresiasi Program Falcon STAR EMLU » Pelita Nusantara News

Magetan - Pelitanusantara.com Disela kunjungan kerjanya ke wilayah Nganjuk, Jawa Timur, Ketua DPR RI DR (HC) Puan Maharani juga berkunjung ke Lanud Iswahjudi

pelitanusantara.com

 

[Gary]

After Andika, now it's time for the air force chief to remind Prabowo.

Prabowo Sarankan TNI AU Beli Pesawat Perancis dan Amerika, Marsekal Fadjar Singgung Anggaran

Menhan Prabowo Subianto menyarankan TNI Angkatan Udara membeli pesawat tempur buatan Perancis dan Amerika Serikat.

www.google.com

 

[Zuko]

Rafale is more expensive to acquire but lesser operational cost than Eagle 2 (and Su35).

If indeed the plan to acquire F15 EX goes ahead, it maybe good to ask for PW F100 engines, instead of GE, so that there is some commonality with our existing F 16 engines...this might bring some operational/maintenance cost down over the long term

 

[Indos]

After Andika, now it's time for the air force chief to remind Prabowo.

Prabowo Sarankan TNI AU Beli Pesawat Perancis dan Amerika, Marsekal Fadjar Singgung Anggaran

Menhan Prabowo Subianto menyarankan TNI Angkatan Udara membeli pesawat tempur buatan Perancis dan Amerika Serikat.

www.google.com

More complete statement

"Karena kan kembali lagi dari awal kita sebutkan bahwa pembangunan kekuatan udara sangat bergantung dari anggaran. Kalau yang bayar tidak mau ke sana, kita kan enggak bisa nyebut-nyebut terus, jadi arahnya ke Rafale," kata Fadjar.

Indonesia Pilih Rafale dan F-15 EX, KSAU: Dengan Berat Hati, Kita Tinggalkan Rencana Pembelian Su-35

Menurut dia, salah satu pertimbangan yang membuat pemerintah memilih untuk membeli Rafale dan F-15 EX adalah anggaran.

amp.kompas.com

 

[Umigami]

The F110-GE-129 engine is the only proven engine integrated into the F-15EX.

If indeed the plan to acquire F15 EX goes ahead, it maybe good to ask for PW F100 engines, instead of GE, so that there is some commonality with our existing F 16 engines...this might bring some operational/maintenance cost down over the long term

The reason why USAF pick GE instead of PW because that's the only engine certified for EX.

You can get EX with PW but you have to spend money more to certified it.

 

[Umigami]

After Andika, now it's time for the air force chief to remind Prabowo.

Prabowo Sarankan TNI AU Beli Pesawat Perancis dan Amerika, Marsekal Fadjar Singgung Anggaran

Menhan Prabowo Subianto menyarankan TNI Angkatan Udara membeli pesawat tempur buatan Perancis dan Amerika Serikat.

www.google.com

More complete statement

"Karena kan kembali lagi dari awal kita sebutkan bahwa pembangunan kekuatan udara sangat bergantung dari anggaran. Kalau yang bayar tidak mau ke sana, kita kan enggak bisa nyebut-nyebut terus, jadi arahnya ke Rafale," kata Fadjar.

Indonesia Pilih Rafale dan F-15 EX, KSAU: Dengan Berat Hati, Kita Tinggalkan Rencana Pembelian Su-35

Menurut dia, salah satu pertimbangan yang membuat pemerintah memilih untuk membeli Rafale dan F-15 EX adalah anggaran.

amp.kompas.com

It was more like
"The one who pay for it didn't want to go that route, so we manut aee..."

 

[KanalKiri]

At 1 side, we are good having latest fighter, in another side will be a nightmare logistic for the future when we dont have/lack of money

We maintain 2 type luxury fighter in the world.

 

[Parry Brima]

More complete statement

"Karena kan kembali lagi dari awal kita sebutkan bahwa pembangunan kekuatan udara sangat bergantung dari anggaran. Kalau yang bayar tidak mau ke sana, kita kan enggak bisa nyebut-nyebut terus, jadi arahnya ke Rafale," kata Fadjar.

Indonesia Pilih Rafale dan F-15 EX, KSAU: Dengan Berat Hati, Kita Tinggalkan Rencana Pembelian Su-35

Menurut dia, salah satu pertimbangan yang membuat pemerintah memilih untuk membeli Rafale dan F-15 EX adalah anggaran.

amp.kompas.com

Is he referring to SU-35?

 

[Indos]

Is he referring to SU-35?

Well I dont know for particular part of comment, could be other type of fighter ( F16 ), make it softer as if it is about SU 35 to the media (that could be different message to Prabowo ), unlike General Andika who has more blunt statement (same type will be more efficient based on current budget )

 

[chiphocks]

More complete statement

"Karena kan kembali lagi dari awal kita sebutkan bahwa pembangunan kekuatan udara sangat bergantung dari anggaran. Kalau yang bayar tidak mau ke sana, kita kan enggak bisa nyebut-nyebut terus, jadi arahnya ke Rafale," kata Fadjar.

Indonesia Pilih Rafale dan F-15 EX, KSAU: Dengan Berat Hati, Kita Tinggalkan Rencana Pembelian Su-35

Menurut dia, salah satu pertimbangan yang membuat pemerintah memilih untuk membeli Rafale dan F-15 EX adalah anggaran.

amp.kompas.com

Well I dont know for particular part of comment, could be other type of fighter ( F16 ), make it softer as if it is about SU 35 to the media (that could be different message to Prabowo ), unlike General Andika who has more blunt statement (same type will be more efficient based on current budget )

why it sounds like TNI is being forced to buy Rafale???
looks like it's not just the US that doesn't agree about SU35, but Indonesian government also disagree

 

[Indos]

why it sounds like TNI is being forced to buy Rafale???
looks like it's not just the US that doesn't agree about SU35, but Indonesian government also disagree

SU 35 is already death end since years ago, bringing SU 35 is not relevant. More over we are developing KF21/IFX with South Korea with American engine and Lockheed Martin help, so ordering SU 35 pose great risk to KF21/IFX program (for IFX) under CATSAA regime.

I think it is just soft message, supporting General Andika previous statement ( My opinion)