Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[Afif]

How many rounds in turret bustle?

38.

 

[Umigami]

38.

All of them ready to fire in inside turret autoloader?

 

[Afif]

All of them ready to fire in inside turret autoloader?

I guess so.

 

[Umigami]

I guess so.

No way!
Even even new bigger MZK roketsan turret only has 18.

 

[Madokafc]

Harimau Caterpillar engine is quite rugged and long lasting, spareparts are abundant in Indonesia as there is many heavy duty transporter using them

 

[R4duga]

I guess so.

Kinda doubt it even with just eyeballing it.

kaplan itself had 16 ready to fire round on turret bustle with the rest of 28 munition are stored in the hull between driver and crew compartment.

are there any bangladesh review on the VT-5 interior since they were the first foreign user ?

 

[Umigami]

kaplan itself had 16 ready to fire round on turret bustle

12

Edit:

 

[R4duga]

12

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interesting, do the Cockerill 3105 have another customizable config since their specshet mention 12-16 rounds ready to fire.

 

[Umigami]

interesting, do the Cockerill 3105 have another customizable config since their specshet mention 12-16 rounds ready to fire.

I hope the buy 16 round version for the next batch. Lesser rounds stored in the hull the better.

 

[Umigami]

One thing for sure, Those Safran paseo targeting sights for Harimau's commander and gunner are good

Even MPF and AbramsX use it.

If only we could integrate it to Leo 2 to replace old PERI R17.

 

[Gary]

I wonder how much will Khan missile buy (if ToT) is included will help us in this effort

Indonesian Strategic Industries

https://www.kemhan.go.id/pothan/2023/01/20/diskusi-penguatan-industri-pertahanan-bersama-safran-group-perancis.html some interesting point from above : "The Safran Group also guarantees AASM-HAMMER compatibility on the T-50 and KFX/IFX aircraft made jointly by PTDI and KAI and hopes to be...

defencehub.live

 

[Umigami]

Btw

Belgium could send former Leopard 1A5BE tanks modernized with Cockerill 3105 turret to Ukraine | Defense News January 2023 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2023 | Archive News year

If they do it, it'll pretty real combat test for Harimau because its hull and Leo 1 hull pretty mush have the same characteristics.

 

[Afif]

@Umigami @R4duga you are absolutely right, there is no way 38 round would be ready to fire.
i was just messing around.Iirc, somewhere it was mentioned to be 22. but it was probably for Chinese Type15, I cant confirm it for VT 5.

 

[Lordimperator]

@Umigami @R4duga you are absolutely right, there is no way 38 round would be ready to fire.
i was just messing around.Iirc, somewhere it was mentioned to be 22. but it was probably for Chinese Type15, I cant confirm it for VT 5.

Its 18 ready to fire

Download link to the doc:
CENJOWS Chinese light tank

 

[R4duga]

Its 18 ready to fire

View attachment 53210

Link download to the doc:
Link to document:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cenjows.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Chinese-Light-Tank-%25E2%2580%2593-ZTQ15-VT5-Dec-2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjs3MGOver8AhW213MBHcspBS0QFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1eg0gUPb_aAJPs-isWtCR9

looks like L7 derivative (leonardo, elbit, chinese 105mm) and French giat industries 105mm G1 "CN105G1" (cockerill 105mm) are dominating 105mm cannon market now.

 

[Umigami]

looks like L7 derivative (leonardo, elbit, chinese 105mm) and French giat industries 105mm G1 "CN105G1" (cockerill 105mm) are dominating 105mm cannon market now.

Our 105HP cockerill gun isn't L7 derivative?

 

[R4duga]

Our 105HP cockerill gun isn't L7 derivative?

nope

 

[Umigami]

nope
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So AMX and Harimau has the same gun?
I don't think so.
Their 105 ammunition are different

 

[Umigami]

Found some interesting vid of C3105 turret when firing

 

[deadlast]

So AMX and Harimau has the same gun?
I don't think so.
Their 105 ammunition are different

AMX-13/105 FL12 has the GIAT CN-105-57 firing HEAT (Officially; there are aftermarket APFS-DS being offered IINM)

Note the "bow tie"-shape double baffle muzzle break on GIAT CN-105-57.

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AMX-13/105 FL12 upgrade (gun swapped) has the GIAT CN-105-G1 firing APFS-DS

Note the FL-12 turret with the round-shape muzzle brake of GIAT CN-105-G1 on the first and second AMX, the third (rear) are still in it's original GIAT CN-105-57.

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AMX-13/105 Retrofit has the same GIAT CN-105-G1 firing APFS-DS

Round-shape muzzle brake of GIAT CN-105-G1.

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Harimau use Cockerill 105mm

Note the different profile of the muzzle brake, fume extractor and the presence of thermal jacket on the barrel.

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Tl;dr, Harimau does not use the same guns as AMX-13, AMX-13/105 has French proprietary 105×528mmR caliber, the L7&Cockerill 105 has NATO standard 105×617mmR caliber.