So Commander periscope need modernization. Gunner's FCS already good enough.Exactly, a nightmare.
Commander cant get full 360° view and sitoational awarenes. Hence to maintain awareness must turn the turret via gunner gun sight.
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So Commander periscope need modernization. Gunner's FCS already good enough.Exactly, a nightmare.
Commander cant get full 360° view and sitoational awarenes. Hence to maintain awareness must turn the turret via gunner gun sight.
Watervlet Arsenal still do under M256 name, i mean M1A2 Abram still doing great job
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Jungle Leopard, and their typical homefield. Looking from the photo above, i think the L44 type gun is already suited our typical terrain.
L55 give more punch when it use APFSDS, more barrel length to push the ammo....Both gun use same Ammo, except ammo for Type 10 MBT can't be fired from other tank (Altay romored has this problem too)
It will depends on market and doctrine of the user. While in Indonesia expect battle with tank happend in urban or vast jungle, you will not push MBT into ricefield, not even US try to do that even if they able.
Recently i didn't have data on how performance of L55 and L44 compared side by side.
Let's wait Leo2a6 going head to head with T90. I don't think we have to wait long nowL55 give more punch when it use APFSDS, more barrel length to push the ammo....
anyway talking about the gun, German KF51 already use 130mm instead of 120mm for more fire power
if bigger firepower is the future, why stick to the L44???
or should they have both of it? short barrel for urban, long / big barrel for jungle?
As Lecrec with 140mm thus tank only serve as technology demonstrator. As per NATO equipmet all stuff must be standarized, especially munitions. And yet there's no further talk about Next gen MBT gun and ammoGerman KF51 already use 130mm instead of 120mm for more fire power
actually what i'm trying to say is, those leading country at MBT stuff already starting to build a new tanks with a more powerful gun and yet we still in a old short cannon (secondhanded) tank's.....As Lecrec with 140mm thus tank only serve as technology demonstrator. As per NATO equipmet all stuff must be standarized, especially munitions. And yet there's no further talk about Next gen MBT gun and ammo
Indo will have those brand new, updated standard caliber, if something happen in the region. no need to hurry. the scenario always the same whoever write the script. right Mado...actually what i'm trying to say is, those leading country at MBT stuff already starting to build a new tanks with a more powerful gun and yet we still in a old short cannon (secondhanded) tank's.....
imagine in the next 5-10 years ahead when they standardized the caliber or at least finished and mass prod the new design...
everyone having a heavy truck with cannon while we still playing with chariot's and arrows......
the same image when i see TNI's playing with scorpions while our neighbor playing with upgraded Leo2 and Abrams
Well the trend is still same, slapping new gun to whatever existing hull. That happend in Challenger 2 which become Challenger 3 and that was Brits, one of the leading Nations you want about. New platform = more money to waste.actually what i'm trying to say is, those leading country at MBT stuff already starting to build a new tanks with a more powerful gun and yet we still in a old short cannon (secondhanded) tank's.....
imagine in the next 5-10 years ahead when they standardized the caliber or at least finished and mass prod the new design...
everyone having a heavy truck with cannon while we still playing with chariot's and arrows......
the same image when i see TNI's playing with scorpions while our neighbor playing with upgraded Leo2 and Abrams
that's what make it even more scary, look the countries around us, if something bad happen, you think the European or US will chose to be on our side?Indo will have those brand new, updated standard caliber, if something happen in the region. no need to hurry. the scenario always the same whoever write the script. right Mado...
Speaking about opponent, those T series (maybe except T90) TNI's Leo's are good enough to face them...Well the trend is still same, slapping new gun to whatever existing hull. That happend in Challenger 2 which become Challenger 3 and that was Brits, one of the leading Nations you want about. New platform = more money to waste.
Beside huge caliber didn't mean always solve the problem, i mean what will that huge Ammo of NATO will face ? Russian T 62, T 72, T 90 or Chinese vast copy of T 72 ?
huge ammo come pararel with huge protection that adversaries had. Even till today the only prove that tank to tank battle massively occur was in Gulf war, recent battle not so much tank against tank. Since then armor protection of a tank isn't much differ from nowadays, that mean 120 mm NATO still relevant.
Also with bigger cal mean bigger kinetics energy, so can defeat far away target, if we insisted to take down targer 5 miles away with that ammo I think its possible. The question is, how often you can see stright line horizon In Indonesia Geography? Thus renderer bigger gun isn't always the soluiton.
Back then Leopard with 140mm or M1 Thumper also being tested in 90s, none entered service due to reliability. As per engineer and military always want "if it can get the job done and reliable, then it doesn't need immidiate replacement"
Oh, one again New ammo = new logistical nightmare.
What the reason we must war with our neighbour that has close ties with us ? What scenario you expect for tank to tank battle with our neighbour ? We land on their beach or them land on our ?defeat the Abrams or Leo2SG
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Kind a weird think to say dont you think??? after all the conflict that already happen...What the reason we must war with our neighbour that has close ties with us ? What scenario you expect for tank to tank battle with our neighbour ? We land on their beach or them land on our ?
That T 90 everyone afraid of still can be defeated with Leo2A4 using L44 main gun frontally at 1km distance.
Different tank build for diffenret purpouse, For deffence and pack of punch, choose Challenger, M1, leo 2. For mobility wise Choose K2, Type 10. For turret throwing competition choose T 72 and its derivative (icl. T 90).
Up to 20 years ahead let say as a benchmark Leopard 2 Revolution standard still valid, hence the user must adjust how to use it properly in ever evolving military doctrine.
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Dimensions and weight | |
Weight | 59 t |
Length (gun forward) | ~ 10 m |
Hull length | ~ 7.8 m |
Width | ~ 3.7 m |
Height | ~ 2.5 m |
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Jungle Leopard, and their typical homefield. Looking from the photo above, i think the L44 type gun is already suited our typical terrain.
KF 51
Dimensions and weight Weight 59 t Length (gun forward) ~ 10 m Hull length ~ 7.8 m Width ~ 3.7 m Height ~ 2.5 m
Leo 2 RI
Dimensions
Length Gun Forward11m
Length Hull7.72m+
Width 3.75m+
Height2.48m+
Ground Clearance0.54m?
Weight62,500kg aka 62.5 tonne combat
http://fighting-vehicles.com/leopard-2-mbt-revolution/
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/kf_51_panther.htm
is this accurate or not? if it is then that Leo 2 A4 and RI with it's L44 already a big problem then....
L52 and L55 have the same length.....Korean L44 vs L55 pic
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Leopard 2 L44 vs L55
KF 51 using 130/L52 ?
Roketsan MZK turret developed for M60A3 tank modernization
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MZK turret
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Good alternative for Harimau turret.