Indonesia Indonesian Army,Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Darat (TNI-AD)

[JATOSINT]

Even we don't have enough Smart Bomb, bunker Buster and such ...

Ikr, they still focused on air to air and air to ground roles

Can't blame them oc with all budget limitation that we have

 

[Madokafc]

Ikr, they still focused on air to air and air to ground roles

Can't blame them oc with all budget limitation that we have

Notes, the thing is from our Army, Air Force and Navy all lacking in basic offensive and lethality power. The Army very lacking in number and qualities of Armor and Artillery, our Navy lacking in number and qualities of Surface combatant warships and Submarine, and our Air Force is severely lacking in number and qualities of Fighter to put the name of Air Force into reality. Platform wise, munition wise, Cavalry and Artillery officers school, Naval seaman academy or Pilot Training school all of them is severely lacking in infrastructure and training regime

 

[Gundala]

Agree that we need both systems (mobile land-based and sea-based)

Yea, and dont forget "umberella". We often forget that fighting unit is less likely to operate alone, coastal def, ashm, trimaran, gun boat, even destroyer wont matter much without decent air support/payung udara. Even one small thing such as radar coverage we still need to work hard to improve it. Fregat AAW bring another level of under-radar coverage area and can act as both AAW/Recon and air protection. Individually each matra might not look that strong, but if we can combine all three with good tactics & strategy even those old howitzer can annoy those warships trying to sail the small chocke point. But again looks like in this age air domination is a must, so lets hope those fighters project we have been work on can be materialized and come out in 36+ numbers

 

[wekiweko]

considering there are alternative routes to those considered as choke points, major enemy surface combatants can always opt to bypass those choke points. That is why, for Indonesia the naval battle space will have to be fought and won on the high seas and therefore it is my firm belief that the focus should be on corvette up for surface combatant.

for tank boat itself, i believe it will be a good interdictor to stop piracy, smuggling and terrorist insertion in brown water area

 

[Gary]

this could be our chance....

Australia plans to sell 27 S-70A Black Hawks

he Australian Ministry of Defence (MoD) is planning to offer up to 27 Black Hawk helicopters for sale as it prepares to retire the helicopter type by December 2022. According to a tender notice from March 2021, the potential sale is still subject to various US government and Australian defence...

defencehub.live

 

[BBOn]

this could be our chance....

Australia plans to sell 27 S-70A Black Hawks

he Australian Ministry of Defence (MoD) is planning to offer up to 27 Black Hawk helicopters for sale as it prepares to retire the helicopter type by December 2022. According to a tender notice from March 2021, the potential sale is still subject to various US government and Australian defence...

defencehub.live

No second hand policy

 

[Djketoprak]

this could be our chance....

Australia plans to sell 27 S-70A Black Hawks

he Australian Ministry of Defence (MoD) is planning to offer up to 27 Black Hawk helicopters for sale as it prepares to retire the helicopter type by December 2022. According to a tender notice from March 2021, the potential sale is still subject to various US government and Australian defence...

defencehub.live

Too old...

 

[Anmdt]

Too old...

So Indonesian army doesn't operate helicopters older than 30 years, or any other equipment beyond their lifetime?
I mean, helicopter fleet might be relatively young but looking at other equipment i don't see such a policy like the one US or EU adopts.

If maintained well and in a healthy condition, also upgraded by time then why not?

 

[Gary]

So Indonesian army doesn't operate helicopters older than 30 years?
If maintained well and in a healthy condition, also upgraded by time then why not?

Same here, I'd rather have the armed forces invested their money on more area denial weapons, instead of insisting on brand new expensive weaponry.

 

[Madokafc]

Actually there is no no second hand policy lah, if not why there is a fact Prabowo looking for second hand Eurofighter?

 

[BBOn]

Yes. I know it.
Prabowo maybe want it. but he must be have a hard time to explening why. Not include he will be breach defence industries bill chapter 43 point (5)

 

[FPXAllen]

Sentry gun / UGCV test from Balitbang Kemhan and PT Ansa Solusitama Indonesia:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380099405043261440

Interesting. I hope that this sentry gun / ugcv project won't end up like so many other prototypes that most R&D departments made in the past.

 

[BBOn]

Sentry gun / UGCV test from Balitbang Kemhan and PT Ansa Solusitama Indonesia:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380099405043261440

Interesting. I hope that this sentry gun / ugcv project won't end up like so many other prototypes that most R&D departments made in the past.

I already post this in indonesia defence industries thread

 

[Gary]

Sentry gun / UGCV test from Balitbang Kemhan and PT Ansa Solusitama Indonesia:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380099405043261440

Interesting. I hope that this sentry gun / ugcv project won't end up like so many other prototypes that most R&D departments made in the past.

wonder if in the future our Leo 2's gonna have some sort of mothership role for these UGV.

think about loyal wingman but on the ground.

Just hope that our future military leaders and officers have such forward thinking and imagination.

 

[Anmdt]

wonder if in the future our Leo 2's gonna have some sort of mothership role for these UGV.

think about loyal wingman but on the ground.

Just hope that our future military leaders and officers have such forward thinking and imagination.

Not just UGVs, but canister launched UAVs (kamikaze or surveillance) are a thing of future. Development of these are crucial as much as a MALE UAV.

 

[FPXAllen]

I already post this in indonesia defence industries thread

Well, sorry I missed it completely.
Would you like me to delete this one so that anyone interested in discussing it should quote yours instead?

 

[Gary]

Not just UGVs, but canister launched UAVs (kamikaze or surveillance) are a thing of future. Development of these are crucial as much as a MALE UAV.

in short the future is unmanned.

 

[BBOn]

Well, sorry I missed it completely.
Would you like me to delete this one so that anyone interested in discussing it should quote yours instead?

No. Please dont get me wrong. Since The UGV is still prototype I think the discussion should be in indonesia defence Industries instead of indonesia army thread. But of course if you insist to do so then go a head, please.

 

[wekiweko]

TBH some second hand items are really too good to miss out

 

[Stuka Dive]

Yea, and dont forget "umberella". We often forget that fighting unit is less likely to operate alone, coastal def, ashm, trimaran, gun boat, even destroyer wont matter much without decent air support/payung udara. Even one small thing such as radar coverage we still need to work hard to improve it. Fregat AAW bring another level of under-radar coverage area and can act as both AAW/Recon and air protection. Individually each matra might not look that strong, but if we can combine all three with good tactics & strategy even those old howitzer can annoy those warships trying to sail the small chocke point. But again looks like in this age air domination is a must, so lets hope those fighters project we have been work on can be materialized and come out in 36+ numbers

The future of US Army might be adopt weapon system that cross-function with other services (USAF, US NAVY). Not anymore about aerial defence/umbrella, The long range precision firing system could also do the pre-emptive and preventive strikes aboard the country. That is why a USAF general had mocked this idea since it seems could take over some of USAF function during the war.

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