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Correct, even he is doing corruption during Indonesian hard moment where he is the one who is appointed to disburse money and food support for the poorer. It is an extra ordinary case. There is law for death penalty for such case.

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Seems this Ministry is one need to be abolished, they are quite prone to unaccountable project as distribution of funding and helps toward the needy people can be fudged with false data and other faulty games.

Help toward people can be distributed toward subsidy system instead for period of time or direct funding like Bantuan BPJS ketenagakerjaan or direct subsidy toward BPJS KESEHATAN monthly payment instead, or reduced payment toward PLN abodement.
 

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Leonardo Indonesia is in cahoots with Indopelita services and maintenance to do maintenance and assembly jobs for their products sold in Indonesia, one arms of Pertamina
Another SOE that derail from its original core.... oh well at least they do have rep here. I was expecting private sector to grab the chance but oh well...

Anyway they shoulda put FLIR/Camera on it
 

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Police shot death six follower of Rizieq Shihab in case of attacking Police personel by fire arms and slashed weapons

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Police shot death six follower of Rizieq Shihab in case of attacking Police personel by fire arms and slashed weapons

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I dont like this, they are armed and by the look at the revolver......
Somehing just doesnt add up, but anyway kudos to our law enforcement and intelegence services
 

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The latest depelopevment was they do get radicalized by the external splintered group . But , i agree ..
Something just don't add up . Normal FPI was all bark but no bite ..
 

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Attached image has been confirmed as factual.

FPI states that 6 of its people were kidnapped by OTK/ Unknown people

This indicates that FPI did not plan this and they are trying to de-escalate.

I suspect what happened is that a bunch of FPI HRS protectors were trying to scare of police from HRS but they went too far and a policeman panicked.

If you hear the police statement again, they say that the officers feared for their life, and were shot at, but it was not stateted that they were shot at first. Of course, with 6 people dead the police need to double down on their claims or the rank and file would be demoralised.
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Attached image has been confirmed as factual.

FPI states that 6 of its people were kidnapped by OTK/ Unknown people

This indicates that FPI did not plan this and they are trying to de-escalate.

I suspect what happened is that a bunch of FPI HRS protectors were trying to scare of police from HRS but they went too far and a policeman panicked.

If you hear the police statement again, they say that the officers feared for their life, and were shot at, but it was not stateted that they were shot at first. Of course, with 6 people dead the police need to double down on their claims or the rank and file would be demoralised.
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The possession of ilegal firearms and carry them on public facilities (public Autobahn) without authority notice is a grave criminal by itself and warrant the highest level of suspicion. The other thing is they carry many more slashed weapons and bring them on their private Cars without clear reason or notice. This is public order disturbance at highest level and lean more on terrorism activity.
 

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The latest depelopevment was they do get radicalized by the external splintered group . But , i agree ..
Something just don't add up . Normal FPI was all bark but no bite ..

All the more reason to suppress them and hit them while it is hot, FPI member carrying ilegal firearms in public facilities and threatening authority officers who is on duty it is can't be seen as your usual hired thugs anymore.
 

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I am very surprised and IMO this is quite an escalation. As far as I know, this is the first time the police ever shot any FPI member.. and they shot 6 men, dead!

I hope things will de-escalate immediately. It sounds like FPI is backing down, and the public are mainly support the police, hopefully nobody use this to memancing di air keruh.
 

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hold on a sec there, we do not know whether those guns illegal or legit, moreover those are small 6 shooters thus easier on the permit. However, from 2 conflicting statement issued by both the police & FPI, I'm guessing the FPI thugs were brandishing all those weapons toward the plain cloth officers, thus the officers were reacting accordingly which is by taking them down, which is also what I would do if I were in their position.

Its easy to see how FPI is currently playing victim by claiming 6 of their members were missing even when there has been statement from the policethat 6 of their members were killed along with their name also publised
 

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Indonesia Social Welfare Minister, Juliari Batubara, get busted for Corruption case. This dude is responsible for huge social welfare program during Covid 19 pandemic recession. I hope life in prison for the punishment.


I have heard jails in Indonesia were quite comfortable. :)
 

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Pengalihan isu kali, itu dana Baksos mungkin lari ke PDI-P.
That case will be solved with or without this case happen.

And blame FPI for creating this mess and make the the issue "teralihkan". Attacking officer is a NO NO ...

Also english please..
 

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Jail for criminal is quite "comfortable" but the corrupt one get private sell
they should mix them with criminals for a better experience of vacation. :)
 

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they should mix them with criminals for a better experience of vacation. :)

Yup, that is very fair but I dont expect it to happen. More punishment should be regulated since corruption in Indonesia look like never stop despite many have been captured since 2004.
 

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Pengalihan isu kali, itu dana Baksos mungkin lari ke PDI-P. (Could be a distraction from recent corruption case that could possibly lead into possible bigger scandal)

For issue distraction it was over the shoot and very unlike FPI Gov colab style to do so,
 

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For issue distraction it was over the shoot and very unlike FPI Gov colab style to do so,

So coincident, but lets the investigation to proceed. I dont support FPI here, this group is so emotional, I dont know why........
 

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So coincident, but lets the investigation to proceed. I dont support FPI here, this group is so emotional, I dont know why........

But you are very well known as Islamist hard core and support the idea of Khalifa and full syaria implemented in Indonesia.
 

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But you are very well known as Islamist hard core and support the idea of Khalifa and full syaria implemented in Indonesia.

Nope, my sharia is just for criminal law like cutting the hand of thief like that. This is the sharia law that I see should be implemented. Not like Iran or Saudi case. I dont support the obligation for women to wear hijab for instant, since in Quran there is stated that "no compulsion in religion"

So my version is different since I have read Quran meaning several times and I just see shariah law is not that hard to implement. It just make criminal get harder punishment.

No, I dont support Khalifa idea. It is just a stupid idea. If there is Khalifah in Indonesia so the next thing they want to do is to wage war with another Muslim countries to make a unified Muslim country. Just like what ISIS do. Stupid.

Khalifah is also a primitive idea since there is no succession system there, that is why after Ali, Muslim wage war to one another.

Islamist is not a single group, there is liberal, moderate, and hardcore among the Islamist.

Muslim NATO is possible though
 

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