Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[trishna_amrta]

God no. !!!
Please give me Buffed IH, for the tax I already paid.

You, paying taxGa salah tuch

 

[Van Kravchenko]

You, paying taxGa salah tuch

Then why there's exist some added value in my bill ? Cut in my paycheck ? And invoice came with "Dirjen pajak logo"

Even mine was not much as yours i believe, but i try to be a good peasant

 

[Parry Brima]

It seems that the Russian Admiral Gorshkov frigate has more VLS than us. It's shorter (135m) and lighter (5400 tons) too.

If we're really serious about wanting to be "MENGERIKAN" and making those "TNI AMERIKA KETAR-KETIR" we gotta beat those Russians, lads.

 

[Umigami]

It seems that the Russian Admiral Gorshkov frigate has more VLS than us. It's shorter (135m) and lighter (5400 tons) too.

If we're really serious about wanting to be "MENGERIKAN" and making those "TNI AMERIKA KETAR-KETIR" we gotta beat those Russians, lads.

I think our mindset "more VLS, the better" need to go away.

 

[Parry Brima]

I think our mindset "more VLS, the better" need to go away.

Many main points in that video doesn't really make sense for us to be fair. Replace many VLS with laser weapon system? Of course we'll take it

Anyway, so I guess you're against the rumoured plan to equip our IH with 56 VLS + 16 cannisters/VLS then.

@trishna_amrta was probably right. 16 VLS is the right number .

 

[Umigami]

Many main points in that video doesn't really make sense for us to be fair. Replace many VLS with laser weapon system? Of course we'll take it

Anyway, so I guess you're against the rumoured plan to equip our IH with 56 VLS + 16 cannisters/VLS then.

@trishna_amrta was probably right. 16 VLS is the right number .

It okay for 30FFM

 

[Parry Brima]

It okay for 30FFM

Another proof that you don't really understand the points of the video is that it talks about the difference on the doctrine between US and Russia. It's making your argument baseless and nonsensical.

 

[kooppyyy]

that might be the case but it is apparent that the type-45 suffered from engine issue (fatal design flaw) which are unfound on its sister (orizonte) as they use different engine.

Worth remembering, the Type 45 is a good couple thousand tonnes heavier than the Orrizonte/Horizon, with propulsion systems that can be only considered as marginally different to Orrizonte/Horizon and yet rated to go at least 5 knots faster than the Orrizonte/Horizon. Yet they're surprised when their engines keep breaking down *insert surprise Pikachu face*

 

[kooppyyy]

IF our Iver Huitfeldt class need escorting, then what TF its need to exist in the first place The role of a destroyer is for escorting other, which is usually either a capital ship (of which we do not have), or escorting amphibious task force (this is the intended role)

Depends on the potential threat they are facing and their fleet specialization as well as tasking within the battle group. Besides, when / If our version of IH launches, and if it launches with the current specs of 72 VLS, 144m in length, and potential displacement of 6500 - 7800 tonnes it may as well be our Capital ships that need to be escorted. Btw isn't KRI Semarang was meant to be our first Capital ship with CIC that could accommodate for Adm of the fleet? I swear I've read it somewehre before

 

[NEKO]

Worth remembering, the Type 45 is a good couple thousand tonnes heavier than the Orrizonte/Horizon, with propulsion systems that can be only considered as marginally different to Orrizonte/Horizon and yet rated to go at least 5 knots faster than the Orrizonte/Horizon. Yet they're surprised when their engines keep breaking down *insert surprise Pikachu face*

And FREMM have this tiny propulsion that can still be used if there is some problem with the main propulsion.

If we can choose, which one is better for us, FREMM French variant or Italian? Hm...

 

[trishna_amrta]

Depends on the potential threat they are facing and their fleet specialization as well as tasking within the battle group. Besides, when / If our version of IH launches, and if it launches with the current specs of 72 VLS, 144m in length, and potential displacement of 6500 - 7800 tonnes it may as well be our Capital ships that need to be escorted. Btw isn't KRI Semarang was meant to be our first Capital ship with CIC that could accommodate for Adm of the fleet? I swear I've read it somewehre before

72 VLS IF anything that have more than 12 VLS module need escorting than something horribly wrong had happened.

 

[deadlast]

Btw isn't KRI Semarang was meant to be our first Capital ship with CIC that could accommodate for Adm of the fleet? I swear I've read it somewehre before

Not KRI Semarang, it used to be planned that Command & Control ship based on LPD design would be built after KRI Semarang hit the water, but due to change in priorities at the time (2017-2018 natural disaster galore) leading to KRI Semarang conversion to temporary hospital ship and following order to PT. PAL for another two hospital ship (KRI dr. Wahidin Sudirohusodo (BRS-1) & BRS-2) instead of the original plan for Command & Control ship construction.

 

[Umigami]

Another proof that you don't really understand the points of the video is that it talks about the difference on the doctrine between US and Russia. It's making your argument baseless and nonsensical.

My point is be careful with what we wish for. More VLS means more things that can break and need maintenance (one of the reason why western vessels aren't as weaponized as russian is, Western vessels are more maintainable). Is our Navy ready for that?

And about IH, 48 VLS is enough for me.

 

[NEKO]

My point is be careful with what we wish for. More VLS means more things that can break and need maintenance (one of the reason why western vessels aren't as weaponized as russian is they are more maintainable). Is our Navy ready for that?

And about IH, 48 VLS is enough for me.

US, SK, and JP Aegis destroyer have lots of VLS tho, it is quite well armed.
Although the number of Ashm that is carried can't be compared to a slava class.

For the US ship they may carry tomahawk(with anti ship capability) for extra punch.

Well I guess 48 vls for AAW frigate is ok, 48 paling minimal seperti tetangga diselatan, and if it is possible to increase it in the future that is better.

 

[Umigami]

US, SK, and JP Aegis destroyer have lots of VLS tho, it is quite well armed.
Although the number of Ashm that is carried can't be compared to a slava class.

For the US ship they may carry tomahawk(with anti ship capability) for extra punch.

Russian ship is more maintainable? Idk about that.

Well I guess 48 vls for AAW frigate is ok, 48 paling minimal seperti tetangga diselatan.

I mean western ship is more maintainable.

 

[NEKO]

Not KRI Semarang, it used to be planned that Command & Control ship based on LPD design would be built after KRI Semarang hit the water, but due to change in priorities at the time (2017-2018 natural disaster galore) leading to KRI Semarang conversion to temporary hospital ship and following order to PT. PAL for another two hospital ship (KRI dr. Wahidin Sudirohusodo (BRS-1) & BRS-2) instead of the original plan for Command & Control ship construction.

So are we still gonna get C&C ship?

What if the submarine conning tower on PAL baliho is SK KSS-3?

And the interim sub is also from them?

Meanwhile soryu

I think its between this 2 submarine.

 

[Lordimperator]

So are we still gonna get C&C ship?

What if the submarine conning tower on PAL baliho is SK KSS-3?

And the interim sub is also from them?

Meanwhile soryu

I think its between this 2 submarine.

If we aim for land strike vls capabilities might be SOKOR

 

[NEKO]

If we aim for land strike vls capabilities might be SOKOR

Maybe without the VLS.

 

[trishna_amrta]

My point is be careful with what we wish for. More VLS means more things that can break and need maintenance (one of the reason why western vessels aren't as weaponized as russian is, Western vessels are more maintainable). Is our Navy ready for that?

Logical fallacy

The Soviet doing what they were doing because their missile came in wide variety of size. Moreover, even present day still haven't come out with a more reliable (safe) VLS system & missile booster, which is why their VLS still use cold launch that shot sideways (just in case their missile failed to fire their booster)

And about IH, 48 VLS is enough for me.

Well I guess 48 vls for AAW frigate is ok, 48 paling minimal seperti tetangga diselatan, and if it is possible to increase it in the future that is better.

Ga usah banyak2x. 16 VLS modules sudah cukup. Ngabis2x-in duit aja. Yang penting branding nya & sticker Karya Anak Bangsa yg dibikin bagus dan dibanyakin

 

[Van Kravchenko]

72 VLS IF anything that have more than 12 VLS module need escorting than something horribly wrong had happened.

Ok guys this has gone to far, how come from 16 become 72 ?

If the curretnt budget is capable to buy that stuff perhaps it will be wise to procure one like Udalloy-class with big stone to hit PLN CVs