Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Anmdt]

Maybe I'm getting old, or maybe something else has changed me to become more cynical lately.

But after reading this:

PT PAL Kini Mampu Tangani Pembangunan 3 Fregat Sekaligus

23 Agustus 2021 Finalisasi pekerjaan Fregat Sigma 101514 di PT PAL (photo : PT PAL) PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, B...

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Which was actually posted in the official instagram account of PT PAL:

PT PAL INDONESIA on Instagram: "PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, Berhasil Membangun Kapal Selam di Kawasan ASEAN .. Indonesia mencatat sejarah sebagai negara pertama di kawasan Asia Tenggara (ASEAN) yang yang memiliki fasilitas

5,278 likes, 166 comments - ptpal_indonesia on August 22, 2021: "PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, Berhasil Membangun Kapal Selam di Kawasan ASEAN .. Indonesia mencatat sejarah sebagai negara pertama di kawasan Asia Tenggara (ASEAN) yang yang memiliki fasilitas bangun dan...

www.instagram.com

My first reactions especially about this part:



Was like:

"Just f***in' do it then!"

and,

"While you're at it, put more actual news about your products and real achievements and less about ceremonials, official visits and whatnots in your website!"

Oh well... It's time to order a big glass of iced tea, I guess...

Told it before too. Master the 3.0 before jumping on 4.0 or it will be all mess.
You can build 3 frigates in parallel *(the term itself is entirely wrong) without the 4.0 as well, 3.0 or even 1.0 is highly sufficient to enable it.

*there is no parallel production in shipyards unless you are a shipyard in china, korea or japan that are hiring vast of human resources, high automation and technology. It is literally a serial production where a process of the following hull starts after completion of the earlier one. Imagine a ship has typically 8-9 stages, the stages remain sequential.

 

[Gary]

"While you're at it, put more actual news about your products and real achievements and less about ceremonials, official visits and whatnots in your website!"

...

We have more info about officials birthday in their IG than what they're selling or offering.

 

[trishna_amrta]

How long the test should be done until it is ready for operational?

It's merely for proof of concept. And for the sake of our service member safety & wellbeing, I have the highest hope the boat doesn't go into operational status.

A surface combatant made out of plastic or aluminium is disaster waiting to happen

 

[trishna_amrta]

Oh well... It's time to order a big glass of iced tea, I guess...

Minum ini aja lebih seger Karya Anak Bangsa yang layak dibanggakan ini

Maybe I'm getting old, or maybe something else has changed me to become more cynical lately.

But after reading this:

PT PAL Kini Mampu Tangani Pembangunan 3 Fregat Sekaligus

23 Agustus 2021 Finalisasi pekerjaan Fregat Sigma 101514 di PT PAL (photo : PT PAL) PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, B...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

Which was actually posted in the official instagram account of PT PAL:

PT PAL INDONESIA on Instagram: "PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, Berhasil Membangun Kapal Selam di Kawasan ASEAN .. Indonesia mencatat sejarah sebagai negara pertama di kawasan Asia Tenggara (ASEAN) yang yang memiliki fasilitas

5,278 likes, 166 comments - ptpal_indonesia on August 22, 2021: "PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, Berhasil Membangun Kapal Selam di Kawasan ASEAN .. Indonesia mencatat sejarah sebagai negara pertama di kawasan Asia Tenggara (ASEAN) yang yang memiliki fasilitas bangun dan...

www.instagram.com

My first reactions especially about this part:



Was like:

"Just f***in' do it then!"

and,

"While you're at it, put more actual news about your products and real achievements and less about ceremonials, official visits and whatnots in your website!"

You're not the only one. In fact, in case you haven't noticed, there are 3 threads in this sub forum that are full of those ceremonial and over proud sentiments

Indonesian Strategic Industries

PT.LEN PT.PINDAD PT.DI PT.PAL PT.DAHANA (EXPLOSIVE)

defencehub.live

Indonesian Economy News and Updates

Thread for posting news and updates about the Indonesian Economy and related politics

defencehub.live

Infrastructure Program and Progress

Jakarta LRT Jabodebek program is progressing, but there is still obstacle happened including land problem

defencehub.live

Which is why I've always been snarky when replying to those over proud full of BS post in those threads. Those whose post all those don't even understand what they are posting all about, let alone having any related working / practical experience with the subject they were posting.

Also notice that there are few posters here whose main purpose of being here in this forum is to post all this BS and not for having any productive discussion at all. There is even certain poster whose doing it by creating multiple accounts just for that purpose.

 

[flogger]

A surface combatant made out of plastic or aluminium is disaster waiting to happen

If you only knew how tick of stell PAL used to their product. or you know it already.?

 

[Umigami]

A new trimaran vessel is good.
But I'm still waiting if this thing become reality or not...

Probably not.... ☹

 

[NEKO]

Or left without any missile at all. Even in steel-constructed vessel, there's limitation how many hot missile can be fired untill the base (VLS, upper deck, etc..) need to be maintained.

If my braid serve me well, navy had no cold-launched AShM

Or you can just spray some water on the deck around the missile or rocket launcher, just like our KCR and Parchim to minimize the damage.

 

[satria]

Special force Navy Exercise

 

[Mandala]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3929187927189521&id=181276675314017

^^ Those new guns looks like 2 small mini tanks on those boats especially painting them with different colour. Lol.

 

[Mandala]

Size comparision.

https://www.facebook.com/Tankboat/photos/a.300289657037364/1466235663776085

 

[flogger]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3929187927189521&id=181276675314017

^^ Those new guns looks like 2 small mini tanks on those boats especially painting them with different colour. Lol.

Non penetrating hull naval gun ya pasti muncul

 

[Mandala]

It's merely for proof of concept. And for the sake of our service member safety & wellbeing, I have the highest hope the boat doesn't go into operational status.

A surface combatant made out of plastic or aluminium is disaster waiting to happen

Weren't the Swedish Visby Class and the Norwegian Skjold Class are made also from composite material?

 

[R4duga]

Weren't the Swedish Visby Class and the Norwegian Skjold Class are made also from composite material?

only the superstructure , the entire hull is using steel.
https://www.saab.com/products/composite-superstructure

 

[Mandala]

only the superstructure , the entire hull is using steel.
https://www.saab.com/products/composite-superstructure

^^ From the link. I think this link is just a solution offering by Saab combining steel and composite material.

"Derived from the Visby-class corvette’s 100-percent carbon fibre hull construction, we have successfully introduced the composite superstructure concept on the market for surface combatants."

Visby Class:

The 100% all-composite carbon fibre hull​

The hull and superstructure is made of the, in comparison, very light material all-composite carbon-fibre, giving the ship a number of significant advantages.

• Payload and displacement

The all-composite carbon fibre sandwich hull gives the Visby-class corvette a lower weight - 650 ton - than a steel ship of the same size would have. Thus the Visby-class corvette has a greater payload capacity. At the same the carbon-fibre means that the Visby-class corvette has at least a 50% reduction in displacement compared with a steel ship.

• Tough and robust

Even though the hull and superstructure is lighter than steel, it is still comparable for fire resistance and ballistic properties, and superior to steel for vulnerability to blast and underwater explosions.

• Life cycle cost

In terms of life cycle costs, the carbon-fibre composite is entirely superior to steel and aluminium for fatigue. The superior corrosion resistance reduces the platform lifecycle costs even further.

Visby-class corvette | Saab

The design of the Visby-class corvette is based on profound experience centered on key areas for any littoral vessel; stealth, speed and manoeuvrability.

www.saab.com

 

[GraveDigger388]

Maybe I'm getting old, or maybe something else has changed me to become more cynical lately.

But after reading this:

PT PAL Kini Mampu Tangani Pembangunan 3 Fregat Sekaligus

23 Agustus 2021 Finalisasi pekerjaan Fregat Sigma 101514 di PT PAL (photo : PT PAL) PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, B...

defense-studies.blogspot.com

Which was actually posted in the official instagram account of PT PAL:

PT PAL INDONESIA on Instagram: "PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, Berhasil Membangun Kapal Selam di Kawasan ASEAN .. Indonesia mencatat sejarah sebagai negara pertama di kawasan Asia Tenggara (ASEAN) yang yang memiliki fasilitas

5,278 likes, 166 comments - ptpal_indonesia on August 22, 2021: "PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Torehkan Sejarah Indonesia, Berhasil Membangun Kapal Selam di Kawasan ASEAN .. Indonesia mencatat sejarah sebagai negara pertama di kawasan Asia Tenggara (ASEAN) yang yang memiliki fasilitas bangun dan...

www.instagram.com

My first reactions especially about this part:



Was like:

"Just f***in' do it then!"

and,

"While you're at it, put more actual news about your products and real achievements and less about ceremonials, official visits and whatnots in your website!"

Oh well... It's time to order a big glass of iced tea, I guess...

I've never liked, no...I've always completely DESPISE the way our people put SO MUCH importance on ceremonials. Upacara this, upacara that. Upacara 17an is the only exception.

Judge me all you want.

 

[Parry Brima]

^^ From the link. I think this link is just a solution offering by saab combining steel and compisite material.

"Derived from the Visby-class corvette’s 100-percent carbon fibre hull construction, we have successfully introduced the composite superstructure concept on the market for surface combatants."

Visby Class:

The 100% all-composite carbon fibre hull​

The hull and superstructure is made of the, in comparison, very light material all-composite carbon-fibre, giving the ship a number of significant advantages.

• Payload and displacement

The all-composite carbon fibre sandwich hull gives the Visby-class corvette a lower weight - 650 ton - than a steel ship of the same size would have. Thus the Visby-class corvette has a greater payload capacity. At the same the carbon-fibre means that the Visby-class corvette has at least a 50% reduction in displacement compared with a steel ship.

• Tough and robust

Even though the hull and superstructure is lighter than steel, it is still comparable for fire resistance and ballistic properties, and superior to steel for vulnerability to blast and underwater explosions.

• Life cycle cost

In terms of life cycle costs, the carbon-fibre composite is entirely superior to steel and aluminium for fatigue. The superior corrosion resistance reduces the platform lifecycle costs even further.

Visby-class corvette | Saab

The design of the Visby-class corvette is based on profound experience centered on key areas for any littoral vessel; stealth, speed and manoeuvrability.

www.saab.com

Proof that many members here, even the "senior" ones, are way behind in terms of technology. And we're talking about 2009 released corvettes .

Btw, Saab doesn't play around, huh.

Celebrating one of Swedish beauty.

 

[Lordimperator]

Master the 3.0 before jumping on 4.0 or it will be all mess.

But but its sounds cool tho....

Celebrating one of Swedish beauty.

Could we got one of them as saab representative here..

 

[wekiweko]

just can't wait for good update relating to FREMM's acquisition

 

[trishna_amrta]

Proof that many members here, even the "senior" ones, are way behind in terms of technology. And we're talking about 2009 released corvettes .

The admiralty also believe the same thing before the Falkland War, until Exocet and 20 dead sailors change that.

It's very easy to saying this and that when you're not the one who will be risking your life in the line of duty. But then again, I don't expect most of you guys here to care the slightest about the safety & wellbeing of our service members when in the line of duty.

 

[R4duga]

The admiralty also believe the same thing before the Falkland War, until Exocet and 20 dead sailors change that.

It's very easy to saying this and that when you're not the one who will be risking your life in the line of duty. But then again, I don't expect most of you guys here to care the slightest about the safety & wellbeing of our service members when in the line of duty.

US Thought the same thing after exocet struck the USS Stark, though this case is for the aluminium one .
https://apnews.com/article/fb3c5f5bb2688593dadac51dae591dd4