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https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...i-china-di-selat-sunda-giring-hingga?page=all

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JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - The Maritime Security Agency (Bakamla) successfully intercepted the Chinese survey vessel, Xiang Yang Hong 03, which was proven to have turned off the Automatic Identification System (AIS) when crossing the waters of the Sunda Strait on Wednesday (13/1/2021) night.

"The Indonesian Bakamla successfully intercepted the Chinese survey ship (Xiang Yang Hong 03) in the Sunda Strait on Wednesday (13/1/2021)," said Head of Public Relations and Protocol of Indonesian Bakamla Colonel Bakamla Wisnu Pramandita in a written statement on Thursday (14/1/2021). ).

The AIS itself is an automatic ship tracking system that provides information about the condition of the ship. Good position, time, direction and speed for the sake of shipping safety. Also read: Facts about Chinese ships refusing to leave Natuna, believing not to enter ZEEI, Bakamla intervening with Wisnu explained, the Chinese ship's interception began when the Bakamla Command and Control Center (Puskodal) detected Xiang Yang Hong 03 was sailing in the Sunda Strait. At that time, the ship was detected moving at 10.9 knots and was heading to the southwest. Based on the monitoring, the ship had shut down AIS three times while crossing the Indonesian Archipelago Sea Channel I (ALKI-I). The three of them crossed the North Natuna Sea, South Natuna Sea, and Karimata Strait.

Receiving this information, Bakamla's Marine Operations Director, First Admiral Bakamla Suwito, who was leading the Bakamla SAR team, evacuated the Sriwijaya Air SJ 182 plane crash in the Thousand Islands directly coordinated with the joint SAR commander. Also read: Chinese ships re-enter the Natuna Sea, refusing to leave even though Bakamla has expelled him He then ordered the commander of the KNIP 321 Island, Lt. Col. Bakamla Anto Hartanto to immediately leave for the Sunda Strait to approach the ship. At around 09.30 WIB, KN Nipah Island 321 immediately left for the Sunda Strait. The ship then arrived at the location at around 13.40 WIB and detected the Chinese survey vessel at a distance of 40 Nm with a speed of 9 knots and the direction of the bow to the south.

KN Nipah Island then increased the speed to 20 knots to approach the ship. "At around 20.00 WIB, the Xiang Yang Hong 03 ship was detected at a distance of 10 Nm from the Bakamla ship. KN Nipah Island 321 opened communication via marine band radio on channel 16 and received a response from the Chinese survey vessel," said Wisnu. Also read: Four Chinese ships enter Japanese waters, the first violation in 2021 Based on the results of communication and identification, it is known that this ship departed from China to the Indian Ocean and passed through Indonesian waters using the right of archipelagic passage according to UNCLOS.

From the information provided, the cause of the undetected AIS in the three time periods was due to a malfunction in the system. Referring to the Regulation of the Minister of Transportation Number 7 of 2019 concerning Installation and Activation of the Automatic Identification System for Ships sailing in Indonesian Waters, dated February 20, 2019, it is said that every vessel with an Indonesian flag and foreign ships sailing in Indonesian territorial waters is obliged to install and activate AIS. After that, KNIPAH 321 Island continued to overshadow the Chinese survey ship until it left the Indonesian Exclusive Economic Zone (ZEEI).

At around 21.00 WIB, the target ship had left ZEEI. Next, KN Nipah Island 321 turned back to the SAR operation area. "Thursday morning, around 08.00 KN, Nipah Island 321 arrived at the SAR area and rejoined the SAR team with the Sriwijaya Air SJ 182 combined aircraft," added Wisnu.
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are they trying to "mengambil kesempatan dalam kesempitan" while everyone are busy with the SJ 182 recovery operation ?
 
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Their survey assets is everywhere, by this rate they'll have a complete and perfect map of our seabed already.

If it was me, we'll need to enter an alliance of some sort, we can't afford to have AAW, ASW assets in numbers at the same time, we'll need to have specialization just like NATO navies during the cold war, but this is Indonesia so......
 

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three time periods was due to a malfunction in the system
'Malfunction'

Maybe we should return their UUV and tell them to stop littering Indonesian water.

IIRC In the past their survey vessel also move suspiciously when passing ALKi, zigzagging instead of moving in a straight direction.
 

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The real question here is, how come there isn't any asset shadowing them the first instance they were entering Natuna Sea. The fact that they were lurking at Sunda Strait is telling that they were charting path for their submarine to breakthrough into Indian Ocean.


Most of the Navy and BAKAMLA along with KPLP and Police Department being sent to joint SAR effort around Java sea, this including KN NIPAH and other Natuna task force who usually stand by in Natuna.

This "so specialfriend" of ours instead of trying to help us to joint the SAR efforts instead using the chance to sneak away from usually used ALKI routes and doing suspicious activity
 

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any news about heavy frigate contract sign? recent uuv discovery and survey vessel detection is a sign to hurry heavy asset procurement
 

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Most of the Navy and BAKAMLA along with KPLP and Police Department being sent to joint SAR effort around Java sea, this including KN NIPAH and other Natuna task force who usually stand by in Natuna.

This "so specialfriend" of ours instead of trying to help us to joint the SAR efforts instead using the chance to sneak away from usually used ALKI routes and doing suspicious activity
This particular country has multiple times shown it's questionable motives, and yet we continue to make them priority on every level (trade for example). We're not even trying to do some sort of distancing
 

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Marines Corps in close quartet combat drill

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Bad idea training using bull pup while our own service rifle is conventional. I seriously hate bull pup design. Best to sticking to HK-416 or SS-2 or CZ-805
Still you couldn't deny the advantages of their barrel length tho' even FAMAS get a second lease of life in the hand of croatian 😂
It's all down to the routines ... You just have to stick what you've used for to prevent a discrepancy about it . Familiarizing was ok but only to a certain extent .
 

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Bad idea training using bull pup while our own service rifle is conventional. I seriously hate bull pup design. Best to sticking to HK-416 or SS-2 or CZ-805
Is there any reason why it is bad to use bulpup design ? Is it from technical or logistical issue ? Since there's only limited number of countries that use bulpup design.

Most of today service rifle are both carbine or full leght rifle with much commonality parts as the base. This reminds me to punny SS 1R5 and the "tamnvan" SS2R5 For the raider

Using full fledge rifle barrel with shorter overal leght surely become an advantageous in hybrid urban terrain.
 

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Is there any reason why it is bad to use bulpup design ? Is it from technical or logistical issue ? Since there's only limited number of countries that use bulpup design.

Most of today service rifle are both carbine or full leght rifle with much commonality parts as the base. This reminds me to punny SS 1R5 and the "tamnvan" SS2R5 For the raider

Using full fledge rifle barrel with shorter overal leght surely become an advantageous in hybrid urban terrain.
You know, I usually answer this kind of question by saying, "observe and paid attention in how I do it. And after that it's your turn to try" or something along that line.

In theory yes bullpup design look more advantageous due to their barrel length in more compact overall package. However, in practice a service rifle or sidearm is an extension of your body. And for all-purpose & intent should be considered as part of your body. Which mean to reach a sufficient proficiency with any weapon, you need good muscle memory, meaning your hands & arm already know what parts of the weapons you touch without looking at it. Any proficient shooter / operator would also know how much ammo left in the magazine simply by holding the gun. All those are about muscle memory.

Back to bullpup design. All our soldiers were trained from the start using a conventional weapon. And that mean muscle memory is already stuck to conventional design. To change into bullpup would require to "unlearn" half of what already been learned. Not only that took time (and money for the training ammo) but when changing back from bullpup to conventional can't be done instantly as far as proficiency count.

As for bullpup design itself, shooting with bullpup mean the weapon action is on your face literally speaking, while on conventional design there is the stock that put some distance between your head (read : face) from the mechanical action of the gun.

Now I'm guessing you now thinking as "Why not training with bullpup from the start" right? The problem is, most rifle (battle rifle, long range rifle) are in conventional design (technical & practically reason). And the last thing any military want is for the men to "unlearn" what has been taught from the start just to take a speciality role. And that is the main reason why there are only few countries that equipping their soldier with bullpup.

In the end It doesn't matter what brand or type of weapon you use, they basically just a tool, what really count is the man behind the gun.
 
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