Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750314560647520599

I guess which means AH140 with Turkiye armaments comes true, contrary to his youtube before

 

[Gary]

Is there anyone here who thinks that instead of installing Atmaca on 41 ships, they should instead install more VL MICA and use it as air defense ship ?

Parchim class for example could remove the RBU-6000 and the room freed from removing the twin launcher be fitted with VLS Sylver for MICA. Anyone ?

 

[Umigami]

Well, still cant hope much with 1.1 bil for two fully armed 6000 tonnes frigates.
I am quite gratefull than using Mica vls as rumored years ago.

There is hope if it's FFBNW

 

[Lordimperator]

Is there anyone here who thinks that instead of installing Atmaca on 41 ships, they should instead install more VL MICA and use it as air defense ship ?

Parchim class for example could remove the RBU-6000 and the room freed from removing the twin launcher be fitted with VLS Sylver for MICA. Anyone ?

Sylver VLS for Parchim? What a waste, better using original vls mica for corvette, like KRI REM.
Even DRU OPV90 doesnt have VLS.

 

[Umigami]

Is there anyone here who thinks that instead of installing Atmaca on 41 ships, they should instead install more VL MICA and use it as air defense ship ?

Parchim class for example could remove the RBU-6000 and the room freed from removing the twin launcher be fitted with VLS Sylver for MICA. Anyone ?

Isn't it gonna make the project more complicated, hence more $$$ needed?

 

[Gary]

Sylver VLS for Parchim? What a waste, better using original vls mica for corvette, like KRI REM.
Even DRU OPV90 doesnt have VLS.

Isn't it gonna make the project more complicated, hence more $$$ needed?

I mean, I'm looking at the bigger picture here. 41 ships with anti-ship launchers are too much and doesn't add much to overall defense, my concern in war is that our air defense is very thin. I imagine if I were a hostile military planner, I'd send salvo of cruise and ballistic missiles toward major Indonesian cities, especially Jakarta. For BMD, that's another story. But for cruise missile defense, we could thin the salvo coming towards Jakarta (for example) by spreading floating AD assets in the waters of Java sea, before land-based air defense do their job.

So for example the Parchims could be fitted with 6x VLS for VL Mica and its radar refurbished with something like an NS-50, or the Diponegoros with a similar number of VL MICA or its analogue, that would be great.

Is it just me who thinks like this ? lol

 

[Lordimperator]

There is hope if it's FFBNW

720 for the ships, 400 mil for the armaments,

 

[Lordimperator]

I mean, I'm looking at the bigger picture here. 41 ships with anti-ship launchers are too much and doesn't add much to overall defense, my concern in war is that our air defense is very thin. I imagine if I were a hostile military planner, I'd send salvo of cruise and ballistic missiles toward major Indonesian cities, especially Jakarta. For BMD, that's another story. But for cruise missile defense, we could thin the salvo coming towards Jakarta (for example) by spreading floating AD assets in the waters of Java sea, before land-based air defense do their job.

So for example the Parchims could be fitted with 6x VLS for VL Mica and its radar refurbished with something like an NS-50, or the Diponegoros with a similar number of VL MICA or its analogue, that would be great.

Is it just me who thinks like this ? lol

$$$, changing the parchim structure to be fitted with vls vs non penetrating launcher AShM.

 

[Gary]

$$$

I mean yeah I'd imagine buying Atamaca for 41 ships (each with no less than 2 or even more launchers) would cost a lot of $$$ as well.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750319536476504194

Another Sigma-esque corvette made by local shipyard PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati.
1st cutting steel and keel laying on 25th January 2024.

 

[Lordimperator]

I mean yeah I'd imagine buying Atamaca for 41 ships (each with no less than 2 or even more launchers) would cost a lot of $$$ as well.

Need to rehull for fitting those VLS, more time as well. Unless if there will be oblique sam like the Taiwanese corvette.

 

[norman88]

Whopping to 1billion for each ship,
I dont think we would be ready $$$

Miecznik for EUR 3.6 billion - all frigates (fully) armed - Naval News

On 12 December, the Armament Agency of Polish MoD and the PGZ-MIECZNIK consortium signed annex 4 to the main contract inked on 27 July 2021.

www.navalnews.com

As far as I know, AH140 Indonesia is FFBNW, so the $1.1 billion fund can be added or revised in the future for the procurement of the weapon system.

And I think the reason is not the financing, because before there were also a number of topics regarding the procurement of TRS-4D & NS200, or Brahmos & Aster 30, which are also not cheap in price.

 

[Umigami]

400 mil for the armaments

It's current alocated budget. They can make room for future growth.

 

[Lordimperator]

Anyone got number on how many Parchim, FPB 57 and Fatahillah class which are still active?

 

[Gary]

Anyone got number on how many Parchim, FPB 57 and Fatahillah class which are still active?

More like, how many are combat ready

 

[Lordimperator]

Depends on your budget and ETA;

Low budget, short term: CENK-S AESA - MAR-D AESA + 2 x AKREP (STIR).

Medium budget, medium term: CAFRAD - CFR (Multi-function radar) module 4x + rotating CENK-S.

High budget, long term: Full CAFRAD suite with integration of Indonesian GC radar in place of the UMR (Long range radar) module of CAFRAD.

Seems like they opted for medium budget.

 

[Gary]

Oh yeah, I think misread it, not all 41 KRI will be fitted with Atmaca LOLLL.

Fom the 12 FPB-57 in active service, realistically only the last 8 boats (Nav II, III and V) could be equipped with Canister type launchers as the first 4 NAV I have no room for such (helipad take all the room)

So that would make 25 ships (8 FPB-57, 3 Fatahillah, and 14 Parchim) to be re-equipped with Atmaca.

 

[NEKO]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750319536476504194

Another Sigma-esque corvette made by local shipyard PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati.
1st cutting steel and keel laying on 25th January 2024.

They are given chance to build the ship now they should go all not and not fuq this up.
Don't be like the OPV, fate is currently unknown. I think the company should be blacklisted if the OPV program mangkrak.

 

[Lordimperator]

They are given chance to build the ship now they should go all not and not fuq this up.
Don't be like the OPV, fate is currently unknown. I think the company should be blacklisted if the OPV program mangkrak.

Its still ongoing albeit off the delivery track target. I agree on the blacklisted part tho.

 

[Lordimperator]

Will FMP have the BMD capability? Or it must be the Cafrad full suite?