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IF... IF... it still does, then there is no point to paying anything further for anything related to KF-X. The Chang Bogo should be enough to ease the butt hurt.

The way I see it, it's far better option to bulk buying from 🇫🇷 (Scorpene, Rafale, etc) and get some lucrative off set deals out of them in return.
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If I have to choose between KFX or DSME 1400, I'll choose KFX.

KFX is korean national pride and they'll actually use it unlike DSME 1400 which is export only. I think They will never design and build KFX half heartedly.
I hope it's true Scorpene.....let's see tomorrow
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Along with F21 torpedoes would be nice.
if the deal included F21 would be nice, but we already got black shark, it more less got the same capability as F21 and can be use on all of our existing and future submarine under lord mindef shopping list (209, 214 and scorpene).

if the torpedo does not offer better capability than what we already use, it really not worth it. unless we got something like us mark 48 or brits spearfish torpedo (but unlikely).
 

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if the deal included F21 would be nice, but we already got black shark, it more less got the same capability as F21 and can be use on all of our existing and future submarine under lord mindef shopping list (209, 214 and scorpene).

if the torpedo does not offer better capability than what we already use, it really not worth it. unless we got something like us mark 48 or brits spearfish torpedo (but unlikely).

All of the black shark, f21, mark 48, and spearfish are 533 mm torpedoes. They should be interchangable.

The Brazilians actually replace their mark 48 with f21. Probably because it's cheaper.

If it's true that we're gonna buy 4-5 Scorpenes, then Naval Group should give us discount package for their f21.
 

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All of the black shark, f21, mark 48, and spearfish are 533 mm torpedoes. They should be interchangable.

The Brazilians actually replace their mark 48 with f21. Probably because it's cheaper.

If it's true that we're gonna buy 4-5 Scorpenes, then Naval Group should give us discount package for their f21.
i have a question, between f21, black shark, and mark 48 torpedoes, which one has the best capability?
 

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i have a question, between f21, black shark, and mark 48 torpedoes, which one has the best capability?
No info in the public domain for any. However, if I were to hazard a guess, I would say F21. Obviously there is also the 🇩🇪 DM2A4 for another electric powered heavyweight torpedo, while the rest such as the 🇺🇸 Mk48, 🇬🇧Spearfish, 🇰🇷White Shark, and 🇯🇵Type 89 are using Otto fuel II

Also, need to point out that the Mk48 mod 7 is probably one of the smartest weapon in the entire 🇺🇸 arsenal
 
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Kapal Selam Buatan Dalam Negeri KRI Alugoro-405 Perkuat Alutsista TNI AL​

Rabu, 17 Maret 2021

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BIRO HUBUNGAN MASYARAKAT
SEKRETARIAT JENDERAL KEMENTERIAN PERTAHANAN RI

Surabaya, 17 Maret 2021
Nomor : SP/ 03 / III / 2021 / ROHUMAS

Surabaya – Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemhan) telah merampungkan pembangunan Kapal selam pertama buatan industri pertahanan dalam negeri PT PAL Indonesia bekerjasama dengan Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME) Korea Selatan.

Kapal
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Selam yang diberi nama Alugoro-405 kemudian akan diserahterimakan oleh DSME kepada Kemhan, selanjutnya diserahkan kepada Mabes TNI dan berturut turut kepada Mabes TNI AL dan Pangkoarmada II selaku pengguna, Rabu (17/3) di PT PAL Indonesia, Surabaya.

Dalam prosesi penandatanganan Berita Acara Serah Terima Kapal Selam tersebut, Menteri Pertahanan RI Prabowo Subianto dalam sambutanya mengapresiasi hal ini sebagai tonggak historis di mana untuk pertama kalinya galangan kapal milik perusahaan nasional, PT PAL berhasil ikut serta dalam produksi kapal selam.

“Kita sadari bersama betapa pentingnya pertahanan kita. Kita sedang membangun kemampuan pertahanan kita. Bukan karena kita ingin gagah-gagahan. Bukan karena kita ingin mengancam siapapun. Tidak. Berkali-kali, turun termurun dari pendiri bangsa kita, kita tegaskan bahwa bangsa Indonesia cinta damai tapi lebih cinta kemerdekaan,” tegas Menhan Prabowo.

Di hadapan seluruh tamu undangan, Menhan mengatakan bahwa Indonesia harus memilki kekuatan yang cukup untuk menjaga kedaulatan, melindungi segenap tumpah darah, kesatuan dan keutuhan wilayah
dari ancaman tentara negara asing. “Hari ini merupakan selangkah ke depan bagi kita semua untuk membangun tentara kita ke arah yang lebih kuat lagi,” tambahnya.

Melalui perencanaan strategis mengenai modernisasi alutsista, Menhan Prabowo sesuai amanah Presiden Jokowi telah memerintahkan bahwa seluruh industri pertahanan dalam negeri wajib diikutsertakan dalam proses peremajaan seluruh alat pertahanan negara.

Menhan Prabowo memaparkan bahwa alat pertahanan banyak yang sudah sangat tua dan sudah saatnya diremajakan. Untuk itu, peran dari industri pertahanan akan sangat menonjol.

“Kita harap peran serta, inisiatif, kerja keras teknolog-teknolog kita, sarjana-sarjana kita, cendekiawan kita, dari ahli-ahli kita. Kita harap semua bersatu untuk kerja keras,” tegasnya.

Pengadaan Kapal Selam Alugoro-405 merupakan salah satu program pembangunan kekuatan pertahanan khususnya Matra Laut. Sebelum Alugoro-405, Kemhan telah serahterimakan kapal selam pertama KRI Nagapasa-403 dan kapal selam kedua KRI Ardadedali -404 yang dibangun di Korea kepada TNI AL. Dengan telah diserahterimakannya Kapal Selam Alugoro-405 ini, Menhan Prabowo yakin bahwa kapal selam ketiga pesanan Kemhan tersebut dapat memperkuat Alutsista TNI khususnya di jajaran TNI AL.

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ini juga turut menjadi capaian membanggakan sekaligus meningkatkan deterrent effect bagi pertahanan negara Indonesia yang menjadikan Indonesia sebagai satu-satunya negara di kawasan Asia Tenggara yang mampu membangun kapal selam. Pembangunan kapal selam ini mengikutsertakan proses Transfer of Technology kepada PT PAL Indonesia (Persero).

Hadir menyaksikan penandatangan Berita Acara Serah Terima Kapal Selam KRI Alugoro-405, Menteri Pertahanan, Minister for the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) Korsel Gang Eun-Ho, Ketua Komisi I DPR RI Meutya Hafid, Menteri BUMN yang diwakili, Dubes Korsel untuk Indonesia Park Tae-sung, Panglima TNI Marsekal TNI Hadi Tjahjanto, Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Laut Laksamana TNI Yudo Margono, Irjen Kemhan Letjen TNI Ida Bagus Purwalaksana, Kabaranahan Kemhan RI Marsda TNI Yusuf Jauhari serta sejumlah pejabat Kemhan, serta beberapa pejabat perwakilan dari instansi terkait lainnya.

 

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so, the original plan for 12 submarine right?
right now we got 5 submarine on our inventory, 2 of them probably going to be retired after we received new sub which make that 3 and the news going around right now is for 4 TKMS 214 and 4 or 5 scorpene so that make it 11 or 12 subs in total.

do we still continue the 2019 209 cbg contract or else?
 

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Looks like two KCR-60s are in the process of main gun installation
 

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Looks like two KCR-60s are in the process of main gun installation
They tend to cover deck openings to protect it from rain or sometimes birds. May not particularly mean there is gun-installing process, you may not install a gun with the tent covering the hatch. (At least large caliber auto-cannons i have seen)
In other words: if there is an opening, a gun will be installed and the platform will be delivered with a main gun.
 
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