Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[this is crunch]

Aaaaanyway, is there a chance to put the Apache to our warship, since the Italian Fremm could accomodate 2 helicopters, what an amazing sight if we could see an Apache with a Panther or the other asw helo side by side and fly out of the mothership

 

[Madokafc]

Nice picture btw, Admiral Malahayati

 

[Captain Wales]

If we choose Fremm then what kind helos will put in those ship, we won't put Dauphin, won't we?

hoping for aw101 merlin (as one package with ship) or seahawk.

or the navy would order more panther? (hopefully not)

is there a chance to put the Apache to our warship

without modification they can, but it's dangerous.

article from 2011:
It also exposed several shortcomings of the Apache for embarked operations, such as its current main rotor brake design, which was not strong enough under high wind conditions.

Crews also expressed concerns about the likely outcome of any ditching event, should they be unable to make it back to the ship.

"We need some sort of a flotation device, as the aircraft would sink like a stone," Tennant said. A new canopy jettison system would also be required, he said, as the current design could have fatal consequences if used once the aircraft is in the water.

UK eyes Apache modifications after Libyan experience

The British Army could incorporate several enhancements to its Apache AH1 attack helicopters using lessons learned from maritime operations off Libya ...

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Anmdt]

without modification they can, but on limited sea state.

Why to use Apaches from a frigate while could use them from an LPD?

It is better if dedicated ASuW /ASW helicopters are used on the frigate like seahawk with ASW and ASuW payloads.

Apache is marinized and can be used from LPD/LHDs, the problem is they are not designed to land on frigates, on limited deck size aiming a traverse /arrest system within an airwake. Neither pilots are trained for this.
Frigates are usually lighter thus moves more than LHDs/CVs in higher sea states.

It can be temporarily used for certain operations, like involving pin-point operations or land assault to designate / ISR on targets, flying low undetected to radars and collecting intelligence, so that Frigates can engage from safe distances with LR artillery. But permanent operations could be hard.

It also makes sense to use those on LSTs but if i am not mistaken i haven't seen such a practice on an Indonesian LST.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Italy already decomissioned 4 Maestrale Class, why don't we take 4 of it, and just take 2?

Because TNI-AL need more operating platform (quantity & capability) yesterday. And having 2 refurbished hulls will certainly help not only in adding more deployable force but also for familiarization training. While adding more than 2 refurbished hulls would be a real logistical & maintenance liability.

I am always thought this relic had been long forgotten

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And why we should fix something that ain't brokenIts pretty much the same when it's it come to guns. Even a century old design work just fine.

hoping for aw101 merlin (as one package with ship) or seahawk.

or the navy would order more panther? (hopefully not)

without modification they can, but it's dangerous.

article from 2011:
It also exposed several shortcomings of the Apache for embarked operations, such as its current main rotor brake design, which was not strong enough under high wind conditions.

Crews also expressed concerns about the likely outcome of any ditching event, should they be unable to make it back to the ship.

"We need some sort of a flotation device, as the aircraft would sink like a stone," Tennant said. A new canopy jettison system would also be required, he said, as the current design could have fatal consequences if used once the aircraft is in the water.

UK eyes Apache modifications after Libyan experience

The British Army could incorporate several enhancements to its Apache AH1 attack helicopters using lessons learned from maritime operations off Libya ...

www.flightglobal.com

Apache was design as ground based, thus they don't take consideration of buoyancy in the design.

 

[Umigami]

I never thought the italian will come back after 15 years, after dispointment on KORNAS program, this is sweet revenge

(Dassault come back after disappointment in 1986)

 

[Var Dracon]

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Nice picture btw, Admiral Malahayati

Well not necessarily accurate though. Like, what naval battle it was supossed to depict in the first place? Who is the enemy (Portuguese?? Dutch?) ?

I can see there is a late 18th-early 19th century Ship-of-the-Line sinking in the center. 17th century East Indiaman near the upper left corner. Couldn't identify what type of ship in the lower left corner. Acehnese ships would have been comprised of oared ships such as galliot, galleys, and galleas. They built a number of giant galleasess, but of course being an galley-type ship, they would have lower deck height/lower freeboard. And they would be very slender.

It's remind me of a painting depicting Majapahit fleet using European ship model. Or the common misconception that Majapahit used Borobudur-type vessel.

 

[NEKO]

Aaaaanyway, is there a chance to put the Apache to our warship, since the Italian Fremm could accomodate 2 helicopters, what an amazing sight if we could see an Apache with a Panther or the other asw helo side by side and fly out of the mothership

I hope we will never try that.

 

[Parry Brima]

Apache was design as ground based, thus they don't take consideration of buoyancy in the design.

There's actually maritime capability upgrades for AH-64E in version 6.0 (link below).

https://www.dote.osd.mil/Portals/97/pub/reports/FY2019/army/2019ah64e.pdf?ver=2020-01-30-115323-173

Anyway, we also need underwater version of attack helos to help our subs

 

[R4duga]

hoping for aw101 merlin (as one package with ship) or seahawk.

i have a high hope for NH90 instead

 

[Ravager]

i have a high hope for NH90 instead

I highly suspected that commonality wise dictates it would be a marinized caracal that coming instead .
Karya anak bangsa remember ??

 

[Captain Wales]

i have a high hope for NH90 instead

NH90 got some problem, some are fix tough

I highly suspected that commonality wise dictates it would be a marinized caracal that coming instead

caracal didn't have folding capability tough (CMIIW).

edit: i think they can but must be done manually not auto, but no folding tail.
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other option are order more panther (hopefully not), buying sea hawk or got a deal with aw101 (as they are from the same company who built the ship).

 

[Ravager]

NH90 got some problem, some are fix tough


caracal didn't have folding capability tough (CMIIW).

edit: i think they can but must be done manually not auto, but no folding tail.
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other option are order more panther (hopefully not), buying sea hawk or got a deal with aw101 (as they are from the same company who built the ship).

At this late moment i've allready stopped trying to predict whatever move 08 would make .... Between erratic and chaotic . I'll say unpredictable was allready a kinder word ...


Whatever is float his boat i guess...

 

[Panca]

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AL, Basarnas or Polri?

 

[Gary]

Fun Fact:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/634434158513795072

this is similar configuration to our FPB-57 Nav II ASW boat.

 

[Barjo]

Ada seribu jalan menuju ke Roma

(Dassault come back after disappointment in 1986)

 

[Barjo]

Fun Fact:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/634434158513795072

this is similar configuration to our FPB-57 Nav II ASW boat.

Yeah with addition of Dardo Ciws, sonar, anti air missiles and milas system.. Oh boy.. Event in her age she still have a huge punch on her

 

[frashis79]

Yeah with addition of Dardo Ciws, sonar, anti air missiles and milas system.. Oh boy.. Event in her age she still have a huge punch on her

will we get all this? or will they reduce some of them?

 

[Ravager]

will we get all this? or will they reduce some of them?

Wani piro ?? .....

 

[Mandala]

Aaaaanyway, is there a chance to put the Apache to our warship, since the Italian Fremm could accomodate 2 helicopters, what an amazing sight if we could see an Apache with a Panther or the other asw helo side by side and fly out of the mothership

There was AH tweets about AH-1Z for the Navy. But the plan procurement was cancelled.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1342965664710074368

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336441676600995840