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Old radar and electronic system had long been pass their expired date and the spare part is difficult to get.
They had been replaced, Radars, CMS and FCR wise, I don't see any excuse on why won't we install new anti ship missile, or even donate them from retired Van Speijk.

Our ships are seriously outgunned.
 

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They had been replaced, Radars, CMS and FCR wise, I don't see any excuse on why won't we install new anti ship missile, or even donate them from retired Van Speijk.

Our ships are seriously outgunned.
If we had to pick between quality or quantity, I opted quantity, is easier to achieved with our current capability, much faster to accelarate in urgent time, about quality, is kind of race that we only can do in midle row, to many technical issue, politic etc
 

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we're not going to win incase of clash between naval asset vs naval asset happened
Nobody from our side actually planning for such. Which is why the designation is Escort Destroyer.

I had stated this numerous time since the days in pakdef. Where I've mention something about "Retaking Natuna" isn't❓
 

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"Susaningtyas Nefo Handayani Kertopati menilai kontrak pembelian kapal perang jenis Fregat dari Italia dan Jepang memang ditujukan untuk menggantikan beberapa kapal perang TNI AL yang sudah masuk program konservasi. Dinamika lingkungan strategis regional dan global tentu mempengaruhi kebijakan pertahanan Indonesia."

????
am i missing something here?
 

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"Susaningtyas Nefo Handayani Kertopati menilai kontrak pembelian kapal perang jenis Fregat dari Italia dan Jepang memang ditujukan untuk menggantikan beberapa kapal perang TNI AL yang sudah masuk program konservasi. Dinamika lingkungan strategis regional dan global tentu mempengaruhi kebijakan pertahanan Indonesia."

????
am i missing something here?

Let us take a time to breath and calm down

The guy at helm of MoD quite sneaky and able to keep his mouth and every one around him tight and silent all the time. Just waiting for another surprise again
 

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Let us take a time to breath and calm down

The guy at helm of MoD quite sneaky and able to keep his mouth and every one around him tight and silent all the time. Just waiting for another surprise again
well yap i am agree, considering the current MoD's leadership characters is -diam diam menghanyutkan-, they finish the contract (or the preliminary advanced phase of aquirement) first then they spoke to public not like the previous MoD who actively dictate it's own un-final plan

or we in Indonesia known it as "WACANA TEROSS!"

even tho, this swirling latest news about 8 Italian warship itself does'nt really comes from MoD, instead the news was comes from Italian media
 

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well yap i am agree, considering the current MoD's leadership characters is -diam diam menghanyutkan-, they finish the contract (or the preliminary advanced phase of aquirement) first then they spoke to public not like the previous MoD who actively dictate it's own un-final plan

or we in Indonesia known it as "WACANA TEROSS!"

even tho, this swirling latest news about 8 Italian warship itself does'nt really comes from MoD, instead the news was comes from Italian media
Well known experience "silent" operation in the past
🏃💨💨🌷
 

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Indeed. We plan to spend $79 bil. Rafale + FREMM will only set us back about $10 bil. Still $69 bil to go. Just enjoy the ride.

Like a movie, this is just the opening scene. We're not even finished the 1st act yet, and there are still 2nd act + 3rd act + the climax :LOL:
 

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Indeed. We plan to spend $79 bil. Rafale + FREMM will only set us back about $10 bil. Still $69 bil to go. Just enjoy the ride.

Like a movie, this is just the opening scene. We're not even finished the 1st act yet, and there are still 2nd act + 3rd act + the climax :LOL:
And yet there are people including members here who didn't want to see this happening. They are hoping all this including the latest procurement of FREMM and Rafale to be cancelled. Lol.
 

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And yet there are people including members here who didn't want to see this happening. They are hoping all this including the latest procurement of FREMM and Rafale to be cancelled. Lol.

Some people just never get their set of priority right . Always talk yet without the gut to march head on ...
At this point.of time ... I've allready couldn't care for less . We in dire need of newer and better equipment . And i'll take anything presented even if that doesn't align with our preferred choices as long as it was working better and will serve our country in their mist effective way ....
And free of corruption too ..
 

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And yet there are people including members here who didn't want to see this happening. They are hoping all this including the latest procurement of FREMM and Rafale to be cancelled. Lol.

He doesn't see even US as superpower who literally can build everything in the world still rely on their allies to provide some cost effective technology to them. USS constelation class and Super Tucano is one recent example, the other is Harrier jump jet, Elbit Helmet and so on. Let alone Indonesia who still at Crawling stage, to be honest there is no one is willing to provide any critical technology to other cheaply most must be get by license agreement with bulk order first. China PL 8 is example of how China get the license production of Phyton 3 AAM from Israel by buying in the bulk order first.

China reason for us to bought 500 C705 before proceed to license agreement is very reasonable and it is actually to compensated China research and development program cost and securing production line of C705 in Indonesia.

Piecemeal and one by one production would get you nowhere at Commercial scale.

This MoD decision to decisively put emphasize on the bulk order with reasonable time frame is actually to helped our local Defense industry to get some technology or knowledge from the deal.

Just look at his previous deal with PT PINDAD for ammo, firearm and utility vehicles with bulk order he already Made the local SOE is bankable enough to secure lending from Commercial bank to get their jobs working.
 

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They are hoping all this including the latest procurement of FREMM and Rafale to be cancelled. Lol.
Cancelling FREMM? No problem, as long as we get more IH.
Cancelling Rafale? No problem, get EF instead.
 

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Btw, in the past imperial Japan get their warships building technology directly from British Empire, they Made bulk order for several pre dreadnought and dreadnought class battleships directly from British Empire (Made In Barrow in Furness) and they subsequently learn more on how to build complex warships from the example they had and Transfer of technology. Indonesia actually never had and operated such complex weapon system, to own Iver Huitveld class and Fremm actually would be giving us opportunity to learn much of such complex weapon system.
 

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And yet there are people including members here who didn't want to see this happening. They are hoping all this including the latest procurement of FREMM and Rafale to be cancelled. Lol.
China has been generous

He doesn't see even US as superpower who literally can build everything in the world still rely on their allies to provide some cost effective technology to them.
China will grow larger
 

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Excerpt:

"The Italian deal follows Indonesia’s signing of an agreement with Japan allowing the transfer of Japanese military equipment and technology to the Indonesian armed forces,. This was followed shortly by the news that Indonesia was gearing up to spend $3.6 billion on the procurement of up to eight of Japan’s new Mogami-class stealth frigates."

 

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