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You don't only access foreign web services through apps everything works with web alone too FYI. I have no such app on my phone and I still use several of them.

If for some reason it becomes necessary to cut entirely off foreign software so be it, I would rather do that.
It's not "foreign web services", it's everything. Most of your banking apps also won't work. Anyone dabbled in IT and fintech for a few months knows this. Web is Israeli. Anything you ever bought, shared online in the last 10 years has a crumb of info that travelled through an Israeli owned or maintained server.

Turkey doesn't have the power and the market to support such an idea and the government don't have the popular support to enact a great firewall. Regardless this will be done to some degree, but it won't be this government that does it most probably. 10 years later maybe, because the new world order of internet will force us to; globalism is dead.
 

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Alright then,

What SoC will they use? Snapdragon, mediatek, xring, kirin or exynos?

What OS? Some fork of graphene os? Something custom?

How will they compete against Xiaomi who literally produce them in dark factories?

The only way for this to survive is to tax Aselsan phones at 0%, which... is illegal

I don't want to sound pessimistic, but if you want domestic manufacturers to survive in these high volume low margin sectors, you have NO ROOM for fuckups.

I trust Turkish Engineers. Managers? Maybe
Politicians? Think your part
 

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It's not "foreign web services", it's everything. Most of your banking apps also won't work. Anyone dabbled in IT and fintech for a few months knows this. Web is Israeli. Anything you ever bought, shared online in the last 10 years has a crumb of info that travelled through an Israeli owned or maintained server.

Turkey doesn't have the power and the market to support such an idea and the government don't have the popular support to enact a great firewall. Regardless this will be done to some degree, but it won't be this government that does it most probably. 10 years later maybe, because the new world order of internet will force us to; globalism is dead.

You will be shamed. You don't even call Türkiye by its name and you are being biased against Türkiye.

Foxbase the mother of all databases originated from Türkiye. Every piece of software have opensource counterparts to tap into. We have used foreign software because there was no vision to make everything domestic back when web all started. We followed the pioneers but now we have time to catch up. Just like how the US kept banning China stuff we can ban anything that touches Israel and we can bake it into our laws just like the US does.

When it comes to security people's preferences take a back seat.
 
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Just like how the US kept banning China stuff we can ban anything that touches Israel and we can bake it into our laws just like the US does.
You can't just say this when government is the most pro US they have ever been since 2007. Israeli tech is US tech. They make laws and make others follow them, we have whims of people, not laws. Government saw to that, we no longer have laws.
 

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You can't just say this when government is the most pro US they have ever been since 2007. Israeli tech is US tech. They make laws and make others follow them, we have whims of people, not laws. Government saw to that, we no longer have laws.
Pro US is how, Türkiye priorities its own interests and collaborates with other powers when it benefits both sides. Every law idea comes from individuals who have insight. The current government has the longest time experience with government matters. 16th time speaking at the UN meeting is not trivial.

The number of apps that people need on their computers and phones probably only number in hundreds, there is no need for a large ecosystem to make a new phone OS work.
 

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I think it makes sense for Türkiye to produce a Phone that is just for the Military higher ups, no connection to the outer world.
Definitely, Aselsan should make a phone like that. A phone only for communication, shielded from outside. And given to tens of thousands of people. It should be government issued even. Offical business should only be handled on it. Fire mission orders should be sent over it if radio is not available, not through whatsapp.
 

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The reason Huawei is such a thorn in America's side is that it provides secure communications services for the Chinese government and military (and even some foreign users), a level of suppression no other company has ever had to endure.
The Americans even abducted an Huawei executive's family member.

If other countries don't want to be wiretapped by the US and Israel, they need to get ready and build themselves a supply chain that's resilient enough.
 

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An Israel-based fraud ring was recently dismantled; they had stolen 13 billion TL from people in Türkiye, including both citizens and foreign residents. There is virtually no cesspool of wrongdoing that Israel isn't involved in—spanning everything from microchips and software to hackers. We now need technologies that Turkish people can use with confidence. In the event of a war, I do not want the Turkish nation to be targeted via location data shared on WhatsApp (as has happened in Palestine). I cannot convince my relatives to stop using WhatsApp. We can only achieve this by developing a national mobile phone.


A look at how Israel hacks phones using spyware

I experienced something interesting yesterday, which I also wrote about here. I burned through 50 GB of data in about 20 minutes, followed by another 8 GB (in 1 GB increments). I called Turkcell and switched my plan to a capped data limit. When I asked for an explanation, they said, "It could be background app updates or something similar; we can't see the specifics from our end." It was a frustrating situation. A friend who saw my post called; he said he had experienced something similar and asked a few questions:

- Did the phone's battery drain extremely fast?
- Did the phone overheat unnecessarily?
- Did you receive any strange SMS or WhatsApp messages?

All of these things happened yesterday; I’ll write about the details in a moment.

Reflecting on the last day or two, I recalled:

- A WhatsApp video call from an unknown African number the morning before last.
- An SMS I deleted without opening because it seemed suspicious.

Now, back to yesterday...
In the morning, the battery was at 100%. By midday, it had dropped to around 10%.
I put the phone in airplane mode and plugged it in to charge.
Meanwhile, the device overheated so much that I could feel it through my jacket pocket. When I took it out to check, the heat was intense—far beyond anything I had experienced before.
I finished my work, unplugged and turned on the phone around 4:00 PM, and that’s when the data-draining incident began.
Here is the situation:

When I checked the settings to see what was consuming the data, I found that the "Documents" app accounted for 80% of the usage—which is impossible. This is something that can only happen if your phone is compromised or data is being transmitted elsewhere.
So, the bottom line is:
- In the past, they could infiltrate your phone if you clicked on a message or link; now, apparently, that isn't even necessary. Just receiving the message is enough. (Pegasus)
- You don't need to be a government official or a high-ranking figure. Who you message, who you call, and the nature of your social media activity are enough for them to target you.
- Is there anything that can be done once that message arrives? I asked; unfortunately, no... You're out of luck. Even deleting it doesn't help.
- I don't know if this is something run-of-the-mill internet scammers are capable of doing, though.

How can we tell?

- If your phone's battery drains much faster than usual,
- If the device overheats excessively for no apparent reason,
- If you previously received a suspicious SMS, WhatsApp call, or message,
- If your mobile data runs out suddenly.

Good luck.

I asked if noticing it early and switching the phone to airplane mode might be a solution. That doesn't work either.
 

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Anyone dabbled in IT and fintech for a few months knows this.
Without going into any details, a critical digital protection system that is used by many, many Turkish companies, banks and even government agencies, including EGM itself, comes from Israel. It has its own hardware, there are very few people (relatively) in the country who can work on it. And as far as I know (I'll readily admit my information might be outdated here) we have nothing equivalent to that, maybe in the works, who knows?
 

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Without going into any details, a critical digital protection system that is used by many, many Turkish companies, banks and even government agencies, including EGM itself, comes from Israel. It has its own hardware, there are very few people (relatively) in the country who can work on it. And as far as I know (I'll readily admit my information might be outdated here) we have nothing equivalent to that, maybe in the works, who knows?
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We actually do have encrypted phones for the state's needs. Moreover, we are among the few countries in the world in the field of cryptography technologies. Over the past few years, R&D activities regarding quantum cryptography technologies were completed, and the certification processes were finalized. But yes, we still have a need for a secure and practical mobile phone.
 
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