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Jakarta LRT Jabodebek program is progressing, but there is still obstacle happened including land problem

 

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I think this also fits in here, a few friends in state agencies were told that they will be relocated in next years, nothing has been told after that one time in last year. @Madokafc ?


The giant sea wall was proposed decades ago, and the masters of the fight against the sea: Dutch were aiding Indonesia at this project.


And looks like it is cancelled.
And also looks like it is not cancelled:
 
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Jakarta-Bandung High speed rail project resumes, it was earlier halted for some reasons. The concerns about the price tag, and possible set off the cost.
It is acceptable for this project to take long time, since Jakarta -Bandung route is a mountainous area and Tunnels and bridges are being constructed.

Bandung-Surabaya (linking Jakarta to Surabaya) High speed rail project was considered in collaboration with Chinese, later Japanese was interested in and now probably will be built in collaboration with Japanese.
The project was told to be initiated in 2020:

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I think this also fits in here, a few friends in state agencies were told that they will be relocated in next years, nothing has been told after that one time in last year. @Madokafc ?


The giant sea wall was proposed decades ago, and the masters of the fight against the sea: Dutch were aiding Indonesia at this project.


And looks like it is cancelled.

Jakarta reclamation projects is going on, the Governor can't be trusted for whatever he is doing

 

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Jakarta reclamation projects is going on, the Governor can't be trusted for whatever he is doing

I thought it wasn't just reclamation of the land but primary reason was constructing a sea-wall to keep sea-level lower in the bay, since Jakarta is sinking and to prevent from certain regions from flooding.
 

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Jakarta-Bandung High speed rail project resumes, it was earlier halted for some reasons. The concerns about the price tag, and possible set off the cost.
It is acceptable for this project to take long time, since Jakarta -Bandung route is a mountainous area and Tunnels and bridges are being constructed.

Bandung-Surabaya (linking Jakarta to Surabaya) High speed rail project was considered in collaboration with Chinese, later Japanese was interested in and now probably will be built in collaboration with Japanese.
The project was told to be initiated in 2020:

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There is huge possibility Jakarta-Surabaya route will be built by our own state owned companies entirely. The plan is for medium speed (250 km) and currently INKA and BPPT (Gov Research Agency) is developing a prototype and it is planned to be ready in 2024.

The prototype undergoing wind tunnel test last year

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There is huge possibility Jakarta-Surabaya route will be built by our own state owned companies entirely. The plan is for medium speed (250 km) and currently INKA and BPPT (Gov Research Agency) is developing a prototype and it is planned to be ready in 2024.

The prototype undergoing wind tunnel test last year

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https://www.railway-technology.com/news/indonesia-japan-rail-project/
The deal was already signed, it makes sense INKA to build train sets from Japan, but handling the entire project? I doubt it.
 

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I thought it wasn't just reclamation of the land but primary reason was constructing a sea-wall to keep sea-level lower in the bay, since Jakarta is sinking and to prevent from certain regions from flooding.

Instead of doing it in bulk like before, the sly head Anies keep announcing piece meal reclamation projects, now he is put Governor order for Pantai Ancol reclamation. As previous Governor Ahok said, Anies can said anything on his campaign but eventually he will be forced to do the same with what Ahok and Jokowi done before as actually Jakarta fundamental problem is still stay the same and the answer is always the same

https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read...karta-di-tiga-tahun-pemerintahan-anies?page=3
 

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Instead of doing it in bulk like before, the sly head Anies keep announcing piece meal reclamation projects, now he is put Governor order for Pantai Ancol reclamation. As previous Governor Ahok said, Anies can said anything on his campaign but eventually he will be forced to do the same with what Ahok and Jokowi done before as actually Jakarta fundamental problem is still stay the same and the answer is always the same

https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read...karta-di-tiga-tahun-pemerintahan-anies?page=3
Then if the issue is going to be resolved, why to relocate capital and ministries?
 

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The deal was already signed, it makes sense INKA to build train sets from Japan, but handling the entire project? I doubt it.

The biggest problem is financing, Jakarta doesn't have the scale "right now" to finance something like Surabaya Jakarta highspeed railway system, as Presiden had strecthed the infrastructure boost in Sumatra, Kalimantan, Sulawesi and other outer province , infrastructure like autobahn, bridges, National highway and regular railway system is keep in progress and more of urgent priority compared to Jakarta Surabaya highspeed railway
 

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Then if the issue is going to be resolved, why to relocate capital and ministries?

Jakarta actually not in the preference list of Indonesia capital since Soekarno era. The idea is to build newly build up Capital city elsewhere, free from the shadow of Dutch Colonial history, but the planing is shelved for decades because of many thing.
 

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The deal was already signed, it makes sense INKA to build train sets from Japan, but handling the entire project? I doubt it.

I think it is still in LOI not yet an effective contract, there is survey being conducted first. With this pandemic and national airline companies get under pressure that is expected until 2024, I bet gov doesnt have much urge to build the route until 2024.

State owned companies have created rail way consortium and has won rail way project in Laos-Vietnam. I believe they have financial capabilities to do Jakarta-Surabaya medium speed rail way as well and with the experience taken from HSR project for Jakarta-Bandung route, they surely have technical ability to do medium speed project
 

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I think it is still in LOI not yet an effective contract, there is survey being conducted first. With this pandemic and national airline companies get under pressure that is expected until 2024, I bet gov doesnt have much urge to build the route until 2024.

State owned companies have created rail way consortium and has won rail way project in Laos-Vietnam. I believe they have financial capabilities to do Jakarta-Surabaya medium speed rail way as well and with the experience taken from HSR project for Jakarta-Bandung route, they surely have technical ability to do medium speed project
My doubts were not for normal-speed trains and railways,but medium-high speed ones , and it wasn't for financial but technical difficulties.
 

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Then if the issue is going to be resolved, why to relocate capital and ministries?
The main reason of capital relocation is not due to sinking problem, it is more about changing Java centrist development into more balanced development through out Indonesia. Just Western and Singapore media that love to use the sinking problem as reason for relocation just to have some opportunity to make Indonesia look bad world wide.

Sinking problem in Jakarta is not too severe though, only tiny part in North Jakarta get the effect. if local government have more seriousness to ban businesses (offices/ towers) to get water directly from the Jakarta soil and fix water pipe problem (severe leak problem due to old pipe) then I believe part of the problem could be solved inshaAllah.

The other part of problem could be solved with more harsh measure by entirely banning any one to get water from Jakarta soil and must rely on water from pipe that get the supply from river, it can be taken if the problem becomes more serious. And any houses in Jakarta should be obligated to have garden to make the soil can absorb water during the rain that in the end will build up water reservoir inside Jakarta soil to prevent sinking.

More lands should also be bought by local government to free up some space and make little forest just like what we can see in Kuala Lumpur, so that more water can enter Jakarta soil instead of being dumped into the sea during the rain. People should live in apartment instead.
 
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The main reason of capital relocation is not due to sinking problem, it is more about changing Java centrist development into more balanced development through out Indonesia. Just Western and Singapore media that love to use the sinking problem as reason for relocation just to have some opportunity to make Indonesia look bad world wide.

Sinking problem in Jakarta is not too severe though, only tiny part in North Jakarta get the effect. if local government have more seriousness to ban businesses (offices/ towers) to get water directly from the Jakarta soil and fix water pipe problem (severe leak problem due to old pipe) then I believe part of the problem could be solved inshaAllah.

The other part of problem could be solved with more harsh measure by entirely banning any one to get water from Jakarta soil and must rely on water from pipe that get the supply from river, it can be taken if the problem becomes more serious. And any houses in Jakarta should be obligated to have garden to make the soil can absorb water during the rain that in the end will build up water reservoir inside Jakarta soil to prevent sinking.

More lands should also be bought by local government to free up some space and make little forest just like what we can see in Kuala Lumpur, so that more water can enter Jakarta soil instead of being dumped into the sea during the rain. People should live in apartment instead.
Jokowi himself pointed out natural disaster history of Jakarta, and said the Kalimantan was safe from those, thus a safe home for the new capital. He also mentioned the sinking problem in between of his speech alongside with global warming and increase in sea-level, and also pointed out the heavy burden on Jakarta in terms of human flow, but i don't think moving capital will resolve the burden on Jakarta.
I don't think guardian will make up speeches (I have heard the explanation on TV, so i don't know how can i access to that, so i am just dropping the guardian link)

The new location make sense in consideration of these matters, but to reconsider, if government itself is running away from Jakarta then who is going to save it? The mere reasons for improvements has been the presence of the government.
The problem is not Jakarta ,but Jabodetabek, you know better than me the burden on Jakarta is not stemming from Jakarta itself,as much as it does from the surrounding cities. the subcontractors are already done with Jakarta, there is no more lands but places to reconstruct tall buildings, they have started constructions in Bekasi, Depok and Tangerang, i have even seen some huge luxury sites in Bogor despite of its distance. Instead of keeping soil, or as you referred reclaiming constructions and converting to the forests, they are destroying soils in surrounding cities.
And i know regional administration in these cities are different so Jakarta is not able to meddle with it.
 

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The main reason of capital relocation is not due to sinking problem, it is more about changing Java centrist development into more balanced development through out Indonesia. Just Western and Singapore media that love to use the sinking problem as reason for relocation just to have some opportunity to make Indonesia look bad world wide.

Sinking problem in Jakarta is not too severe though, only tiny part in North Jakarta get the effect. if local government have more seriousness to ban businesses (offices/ towers) to get water directly from the Jakarta soil and fix water pipe problem (severe leak problem due to old pipe) then I believe part of the problem could be solved inshaAllah.

The other part of problem could be solved with more harsh measure by entirely banning any one to get water from Jakarta soil and must rely on water from pipe that get the supply from river, it can be taken if the problem becomes more serious. And any houses in Jakarta should be obligated to have garden to make the soil can absorb water during the rain that in the end will build up water reservoir inside Jakarta soil to prevent sinking.

More lands should also be bought by local government to free up some space and make little forest just like what we can see in Kuala Lumpur, so that more water can enter Jakarta soil instead of being dumped into the sea during the rain. People should live in apartment instead.

While we have sent space our sonda rocket now, you can share the info of Indo space program on a subject, you are the only one among us who has this much knowledge.
Was it the rx 550, what were you saying?
 

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While we have sent space our sonda rocket now, you can share the info of Indo space program on a subject, you are the only one among us who has this much knowledge.
Was it the rx 550, what were you saying?

RX 450 and RX 550 is the rocket prepared by LAPAN (Indonesia Space Agency) for launching a micro satellite from Indonesia (Biak)

Here is according to recent online meeting (September 2020), I dont know about the possibility but they target to use RX 450 or RX 550 to reach 300 km atmosphere (low orbit) in 2025. The time line IMO is quite ambitious but there are no Indonesian members who knows their recent launch result.

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This is RX 450 test

 
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