Breaking News Iran strikes Pakistani territory; Pakistan Counter Strikes; Operation Marg Bar Sarmachar

[Afif]

IMO, there is not much to suggest that PAF had the capability to destroy Iranian enrichment facilities. Those are fairly well defended by air defense network. The most capable aircraft PAF has are F16MLU and J10C. Neither are specialized in SEAD/DEAD. Launching few stand off cruise missiles isn't gonna cut it.

Only way to have some effect is to launch strategic missiles without nuclear warhead.

However, such act would immediately provoke Iran to respond with its own balistic missile strikes (Which they have a massive stockpile of) on Pakistan nuclear facilities. And having no credible ABM capability, it would be devastating for PAK strategic deterrence as it would disrupt the ecosystem.

 

[Gary]

IMO, there is not much to suggest that PAF had the capability to destroy Iranian enrichment facilities. Those are fairly well defended by air defense network. The most capable aircraft PAF has are F16MLU and J10C. Neither are specialized in SEAD/DEAD. Launching few stand off cruise missiles isn't gonna cut it.

Only way to do it is to launch strategic missiles without nuclear warhead.

However, such act would immediately provoke Iran to respond with its own balistic missile strikes (Which they have a massive stockpile of) on Pakistan nuclear facilities. And having no credible ABM capability, it would be devastating for PAK strategic deterrence as it would disrupt the ecosystem.

The destruction of Armenian IADS a few years back didn't happen by dedicated SEAD platform.

There are many ways for the PAF to 'suppress' hostile air defense, long enough for the strike package to come. I mean their airmen are some of the best, if not the best currently in the entire Islamic world air forces.

 

[Afif]

The destruction of Armenian IADS a few years back didn't happen by dedicated SEAD platform.

Armenian platforms were vintage stuff.

I believe Bavar-373 & Kordad-15 systems are superior to those.

There are many ways for the PAF to 'suppress' hostile air defense, long enough for the strike package to come.

Like what?

 

[Timur]

ultra aslan is back.. good to see em biting back an owning the place..

Iran needs strong answers else they will try and try..

 

[Rooxbar]

People in the middle-east should stop looking at the Iran question from the lens of U.S. attitude towards Iran (which engenders unwarranted sympathy), and start looking at it from the lens of regional power struggle, clash of cultures, and, very similar to the case of Israel, excessive levels of ambition (which at least in Israel's case is backed by the world superpower and a robust economy and defense industry; they don't even have those so an analysis is required about where this ambition comes from, an analysis that can lead to rational policy positions as it will create a foundational basis to understand where they come from; this cannot be done through a superficial look at the overt propaganda of Iranian regime and their stated goals, but from a bottom to top aspect which feeds their political class which due to the rigidity and necessity of ideological posturing in politics that belongs to a bygone age, has made their explicit ideology deviate to a great degree from goals and ideologies they pursue as a society).

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748846086226133398

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748841527508353235

 

[Saiyan0321]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748846086226133398

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748841527508353235

They have been conducting anti-terror ops since late december. About a week or two ago, they arrested some 20+ individuals affiliated with terror networks in Punjab province and there were more arrests last week.. Taqi was attacked twice, one in 2019 and the other in 2021 whereas the former was a knife attack and the latter a gun attack... Dont know for which attack, he was arrested. He has been involved with the Liwa Zainabiyoun which is an outfit thats been fighting in syria, under the patronage of Iran. It is composed mostly of Shia from Pakistan and have been involved in syria since 2013ish. Normally they would be recruited when their handlers in Pakistan would promise young individuals who are either religiously motivated or economically destitute to join the force. You would enter iran under a pilgrimage permit and from there an agent would take you into a training camp, from which you would then be sent to Syria. They claim their objective was to protect Shia holy sights in Iraq and Syria but eventually that changed and they became a Shia offensive group. When syrian war was happening and this recruitment happened, there was genuine fear that it would lead to sectarian issues. Pakistan has been very strict in this measure and took measures and arrested many recruiters and handlers but you cant stop them all. They have good relations with Liwa Fatimayoun, the Shia Afghan unit similar to the Zainabiyoun.
Pakistan, as far as i know, refused to accept any captured or killed brigade members thus most are either forgotten in jails or are buried by their friends or the IRGC. Those that are alive are either still active in Syria or have returned to Pakistan where the country did monitor them but again you cant do a 100%.

 

[Saiyan0321]

As for the conflict, both sides have resumed diplomatic relations...

I have no idea how nukes and attacks on refineries came into this thread. With both sides engaging in de-escalation, this thread has served its purpose it seems.