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Except 2006 didn't go for Israel as they hoped.
A very minor conflict, lasting only 34 days, before the UN brokered a peace deal that stopped Israel from escalating and severely destroying the infrastructure of Southern Lebanon. Israel was specifically made to fight with one hand tied behind its back in that instance, because the international community did not want a humanitarian crisis in the region.

Make no mistake about it, if Israel, with full support from USA, wants to inflict unfathomable damage to southern Lebanon, namely Hezbollah, they absolutely have the capability of doing so via horrendous air strikes and a much more intensive blockade than they used in 2006.
 

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What needs to be done now is full normalization with Egypt. Also, the Iraq issue is very important and we must hold both these doors.
 

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@Gary @Ravager @Brace Yourself you folk are ISIS reborn
Next time read the Forum's Rules.

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Israeli defense minister

In the army I abolished all the rules. They will not be responsible for anything militarily while fighting. There is no court martial.


The Israeli Minister of Defense openly ordered the army to commit genocide.
Nobody is Israel greenlit a genocide. That's just ridiculous propaganda. If they wanted to commit genocide they would drop 10,000 bombs and fire 100,000 artillery shells on Gaza, from a safe distance and annihilate the population in organized fashion.

Of course, they're not doing that. Naturally, innocent people will be killed because Hamas builds their infrastructure into civilian buildings on purpose, but Israel is not largely attacking civilian areas in anything close to their capacity to do so.

There will be no genocide. We can stop posting such propaganda.
 

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Although there is no oil in Israel, Haifa has some of the region's largest petrochemical facilities. The construction of the Kerkük-Haifa oil pipeline line, planned in 1934, was stopped by systematic sabotage for nearly ten years.

If these sabotages had not been carried out and Kirkuk oil had flowed to the international market via Haifa for 50 years, what would Israel's power be today? and how would this affect Turkey? Today, the Gaza strip serves the same attrition/slowing down function, dividing Israel into two even in domestic politics and causing it to lose energy. An Israel that does not fight in Gaza will fight in the Fırat and Dicle 10 years later.
 

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If Hezbollah screws around, they can find out too. The Israelis are armed to the teeth lol.

In terms of the Jordanians, maybe they'll welcome another million Palestinian refugees into heir country, after Hamas inciting Israel into destroying Gaza... That would be great!
Dude what happened to your whole shpeel about being impartial and realist, and not caring about who wins. Now all of a sudden you're all in on Israel. Pick an angle Mr. Analyst.
 

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Israel was specifically made to fight with one hand tied behind its back in that instance, because the international community did not want a humanitarian crisis in the region.
Right,IDF is known to be very careful in not upsetting "International community".Just as the "interational community is very worried about humanitarian crises caused by Israel.
 

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Congratulations Hamas, you got what you wanted. Babies that would have otherwise been alive yesterday, are dead now.

The world applauds you 🙄
Well, that adds to the many pretext and justifications
 

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A very minor conflict, lasting only 34 days, before the UN brokered a peace deal that stopped Israel from escalating and severely destroying the infrastructure of Southern Lebanon. Israel was specifically made to fight with one hand tied behind its back in that instance, because the international community did not want a humanitarian crisis in the region.

Well, my interpretation is quite different than yours. But let's agree to disagree.
 

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Did anyone see any video of the festival with any dead bodies? You don’t need to post just share the link.
 

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Dude what happened to your whole shpeel about being impartial and realist, and not caring about who wins. Now all of a sudden you're all in on Israel. Pick an angle Mr. Analyst.
My angle is that Israel is armed to the teeth and if the West doesn't force Israel to play by particular set of rules, it won't be a good time for either Hezbollah or Hamas.

Please don't get this misconstrued. I fully acknowledge the deep intracacies of the historical lands claims of both the Palestianian and Israeli people. I also acknowledge that Gaza has inhumane living conditions in the present day and that Israel bears some level of responsibility for that. I'm not "cheering" for either Palestine or Israel. Obviously, a solution to the issues over there is very difficult and nobody wants to accept one.

That said, I absolutely recognize organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist cells, that do nothing to promote peace in the region. Their actions only seek to provoke Israel, which in turn costs the lives of civilians. I am 100% in favour of Hamas, Hezbollah and similar factions being eradicated. I am not in support of the mistreatment of the Palestinian, nor Lebanese citizens that have no affiliation to militant groups.
 
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Did anyone see any video of the festival with any dead bodies? You don’t need to post just share the link.
Yes. Several were shown. The majority of the bodies were placed under body bags by time most media began to show up. But yes, I did.

The ones I saw were imbedded in larger media files such as YouTube podcasts.

That said, there are also a bunch if foreign articles starting to pop up of Germans, Americans, Canadians, etc who were killed at the music festival. I don't have pictures of their dead bodies, but their loved ones have received calls confirming their deaths.
 
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Evacuation of the crew of a damaged Israeli Namer armored personnel carrier. The Israel Defense Forces has published footage of the rescue of the crew of the damaged Israeli armored personnel carrier Namer. The video was filmed in the area of Kibbutz Nirim, the operation is carried out by one of the Israeli special forces. During the evacuation, Israeli troops engage in battle with Hamas units. The Namer armored personnel carrier was created on the basis of the Merkava Mk1 tank in 2008, later the Merkava Mk4 tank was used. The armored personnel carrier is designed to carry 9 people and since 2016 has been equipped with the Israeli-made Trophy active protection system.

 

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Between Shamanistic fascists, and calls for genocide this thread is like PDF all over again.

@Gary, its understandable you are passionate about this situation, but it is important not to take things to an extreme. Do you really believe in your heart that what the Israeli's have done to the Palestinians should be reciprocated back to them? Would you be able to do what they have done, if you were in the position to do so? To women? To children?

[AL-Quran 41:34] Good and evil cannot be equal. [Prophet], repel evil with what is better and your enemy will become as close as an old and valued friend,

[Sahih Bukhari] Abdullah ibn Amr reported that Allah has described the Prophet as follows:

سَمَّيْتُكَ الْمُتَوَكِّلَ لَيْسَ بِفَظٍّ وَلاَ غَلِيظٍ وَلاَ صَخَّابٍ فِي الأَسْوَاقِ وَلاَ يَدْفَعُ بِالسَّيِّئَةِ السَّيِّئَةَ وَلَكِنْ يَعْفُو وَيَغْفِرُ
I have called you a trustworthy man who is neither rude nor loud in the markets, nor does he return evil with evil, but rather he pardons and forgives.

[From the book of futuwwa / sufi chivalry by Muhamad Al-Sulami]
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I would recommend this book as general reading. Here is a pdf link: https://archive.org/details/chivalry/page/n15/mode/2up .

No goodness can come from acting from our ego / nafs. We may be angered at what we witness going on, in different parts of the world not only against Muslims but against any of the weak and the downtrodden. If we happen to identify with a peoples, for example as fellow Muslims, we need to be careful about acting on the basis of of our own personal anger.

Salam.
 
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