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Palestinian rockets have killed 100 people in the last 23 years combined. I'm gonna need a shit ton of evidence to believe that, this time, their puny rocket somehow killed more than 500 people. Israel is not letting impartial UN convoys to investigate the issue. They will also never go with their case to ICC, to submit their "evidence". This is just plain old tactic of buying time to make the passage of time soften the blow. They've done this innumerable times.
 
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LIbyan Soldier said:
As you all know, I hate Israel more than anyone else. But this attack by Hamas was useless and unnecessary. I don't know if they thought about the consequences of their actions or not
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They were cornered ... What else you expect ??
Foulgrim said:
I think it's time for Iran to live up to the phrase "time is up" with a grand launch of surface-to-surface ballistic missiles. Operation Martyr Soleimani showed the US in January 2020 that thuggery does not pass. The ideal would be for Iran to make a heavy attack on whatever military bases and urban centers exist in Israel and for Hezbollah (Lebanon), Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Egypt to penetrate to liberate the occupied territories of the Palestinians. All of this apparently with Russia and Pakistan covering in case Israel ever thought of launching nuclear weapons. Otherwise I see the Palestinians becoming an endangered species. The audacity of the Israelis is broken only with a harsh response, that is, at the level of unconditional surrender. Iran has an arsenal sufficient to do such a thing. It is a shame for the Muslim world to let a bully people who have suffered from the Stockholm Syndrome (there is no other answer) command over another people for 80 years in this despicable way. Perhaps Turkey should also take military action against Israel in alliance with the Arab states, after all the brutality of the Israelis against the Free Gaza convoy in 2010 is something that directly concerns them. There must be a new Yom Kippur with a clear military victory this time because the Jews think they are the center of the world and command whoever they want. Someone needs to teach them that it doesn't work that way, if they want to.
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Be very careful with what you wished for . Hizbos joining the party was a given . But , they are not stupid . They care for their international images ... They would only enter the chesspool only at their leisure . And Iran doesn't need their boot on the ground ... There are plenty of fanatics in Iraq allready ..come back to me again . When all of US base in the contested region got swamped by the fanatics . Thanks to your taunting ...they doesn't need to make any fabricated motive for the fanatics anymore ...
When the US get really dragged in . Zelensky would be better to chamge his passport soon ..
Knowledgeseeker said:
Do you guys think Hamas got lured into a trap? This can easily expand to war against Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, etc.. Egypt, and Jordan have been vocal claiming that any attempt to push the people of Gaza into the Sinai would be a war declaration.

Is the aircraft carrier of the Americans there against Iran, and its proxies, or the arab world?
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It is a trap allright ,... But now it's allready gone out wild and unpredictable ...
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"It was YOU..." Who is YOU in that context?
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Such a deep satire sarcasm in only one word
Kartal1 said:
Not sure about the exact footage but here are the rumors.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714770681605312836
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Hezbo only joining on their own term
 
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LIbyan Soldier said:
As you all know, I hate Israel more than anyone else. But this attack by Hamas was useless and unnecessary. I don't know if they thought about the consequences of their actions or not
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Put yourself in the shoes of Palestinians and Hamas, your UN-recognized territory in the West Bank is worthless in the face of continued and unabated Israeli displacement by settlers, your daily life amounts to harassments and humiliations, bit by bit the Israeli tactics of chewing your sovereignty works to their demands and to top it off traitorous Arab-Muslim leaders worldwide are abandoning you for the so-called "Normalization" process.

Seeing it from a political perspective, you're doomed if not already dead anyway. So why not make the last bang before your demise rather than accepting (without resistance) the final result which is just another Israeli slow but sure victory anyway.

So that's what they did on October 7th, they crossed all the red line in one move, an attack so bizarre I'm personally awe-struck with what the end game they're trying to achieve here, initially.

But if you look at the developing situation it does achieve at least:

  1. The U.S. project of "normalization'' finally met its demise, just in short order after the Biden administration declared that "the Middle East has never been more stable". We saw Arab-wide condemnation, even from their allies in the UAE, Saudis are canceling/putting a hold on their normalization with Israel, meanwhile, Israel left their consulate in Morocco.
  2. The return of hate towards Israel in the Muslim world after their respective governments has spent so much through propaganda and paid influencers to accept friendships and normalcy with Israel.
  3. The opening of another front in Lebanon, and if miscalculations happens in the process it could result in a war stretching from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and prolly in the Sinai as well. Further taxing the Americans who has tried to leave the region to face off China in the Pacific.

Yes, the Palestinians might be wiped out, and that's the hard pill, but if you look further and with clarity in mind, the components that made Palestinians which are Arabs and Muslims, will continue to exist, long after the fall of Gaza, long after the retreat of the U.S. in the world stage. They will have all the time in the world to teach a lesson to the Israelis once the timing is right.

So I think that Hamas attack is not so bizarre at all, they understand the end goal and sacrifice what remains of them to pursue it.

Back in the Indonesian war of independence, we did similar attacks, although we're not that cornered in the first place. We attacked Jogjakarta and occupied it for a day, only to retreat...because we didn't want to win military objective (land), rather we wanted political victory by sending the message to the world that the Indonesian government still exist after the Dutch falsely claims its demise.

So even if Hamas is militarily defeated, the long-lasting political objectives could be obtained. Do you think that traitorous leaders in the Arab-Muslim world could still openly talk about normalization after the image and videos of 500 dead children and civilians are spread like wildfire on the internet ?
 
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Knowledgeseeker said:
Do you guys think Hamas got lured into a trap? This can easily expand to war against Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, etc.. Egypt, and Jordan have been vocal claiming that any attempt to push the people of Gaza into the Sinai would be a war declaration.
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I didn't take anything that came out of Jordan or Egypt as anything serious. If a war were to expand it would do so with an unplanned escalation, not by willful consent by Arab states to enter a war they haven't been preparing for.

IF Hezbollah does make good on its promise to open a front in the North, and the Americans do make good on their promise to bombard Hezbollah, that could lead to Hezbollah sister organization in Iraq (particularly) to bombard U.S bases and military installations, particularly in Iraq and Syria, which again in return could lead the Americans not only bombarding the Iraqi PMF, but could lead to military operation to sever the links between Iraq and Lebanon, the M20 highway in Syria.

Blue: America possible move. Green: line of communication between Iraq to Lebanon (sorry for the bad edit)

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If they decide to do this, then the Americans would rely on a few key airbases, most notably (and closest to the epicenter) is Muwaffaq As-Salti AB in Jordan.

9734+VVF, Al-Mafraq, Jordan

Do this and the militias or even Iran directly could bomb those airbases, dragging those countries into a wider regional war, so if Egypt or Jordan enters a war, it will likely be because they're forced to do so, not because they're so confident in their army.
 

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Gary said:
I didn't take anything that came out of Jordan or Egypt as anything serious. If a war were to expand it would do so with an unplanned escalation, not by willful consent by Arab states to enter a war they haven't been preparing for.

IF Hezbollah does make good on its promise to open a front in the North, and the Americans do make good on their promise to bombard Hezbollah, that could lead to Hezbollah sister organization in Iraq (particularly) to bombard U.S bases and military installations, particularly in Iraq and Syria, which again in return could lead the Americans not only bombarding the Iraqi PMF, but could lead to military operation to sever the links between Iraq and Lebanon, the M20 highway in Syria.

Blue: America possible move. Green: line of communication between Iraq to Lebanon (sorry for the bad edit)

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If they decide to do this, then the Americans would rely on a few key airbases, most notably (and closest to the epicenter) is Muwaffaq As-Salti AB in Jordan.

9734+VVF, Al-Mafraq, Jordan

Do this and the militias or even Iran directly could bomb those airbases, dragging those countries into a wider regional war, so if Egypt or Jordan enters a war, it will likely be because they're forced to do so, not because they're so confident in their army.
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Even if the regional countries cannot do anything against Israel-USA, they can close their own military bases to Israel's allies in their own countries. This is true no matter which country you can think of, from the Persian Gulf to Jordan to Turkey.
 
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Ryder said:
I heard there is also a Turkish hospital too in Gaza.

They shot dead 9 Turkish citizens in international waters in 2010 so I wont be surprised if they strike this hospital.
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TIKA Turkish friendship hospital. During the Covid era, this was the most competent hospital in Gaza. Apart from this hospital, there are many different health units, soup kitchens and aid centers.

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Even if the regional countries cannot do anything against Israel-USA, they can close their own military bases to Israel's allies in their own countries. This is true no matter which country you can think of, from the Persian Gulf to Jordan to Turkey.
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When it comes to geopolitics, Turkiye must not be stupid. This conflict is primarily an Arab/Iranian isreali conflict. In truth its not our problem. The entire east med has ganged up against us including the gulf Arabs and Egypt. We need to break this evil alliance and the only piece in that puzzle that can do it for us is Isreal. By going all in against Isreal we are destroying ourselves for useless Arab states who have never lifted a finger to help us in over a thousand years of warring with the kafir. In fact the first opportunity that was presented to them to betray us by siding with the kafir they took it. Today the jew is the master of the arab and moving forward it looks like many more arabs will fall under Isreali dominion, tough luck. But lets not sink our nation our people for these kind of people who don't even look after their own brothers.

Fidan with his statement was anther failure. Tomorrow when this boils over AK party will go back to begging for the Isreali pipeline and the Isrealis seeing us behave like morons will push to side with the greeks and bring the entire western influence they have to the greek enemy. greeks are loving these days watching how mad Turkiye behaves.

From an emotional level i get it, the Isreali state from top to bottom is pretty corrupt and evil, but that doesnt mean our statesman should drag us into the arab quagmire and cause us another failure like syria. The arabs are collectively racing to the bottom, tomorrow when oil and gas doesnt hold its worth i suspect arabs collectively will form the poorest and lowest educated regions on earth.
 
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