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Hamas hit a residential building in Rishon LeZion


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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke by phone with US President Joe Biden. The prime minister thanked President Biden for his American support for Israel's right to self-defense.

Prime Minister Netanyahu said Israel will continue to strike at the military capabilities of Hamas and other terrorist organizations operating in the Gaza Strip.
 
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The rocket hit inside building right in the Rishon Lezion area.

 
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1500 rockets have been fired to Israel for 3 days.

Impact range of attacks.

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Interceptions in the sky over Bnei Brak.



Jaffa shootings

 
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As the DefenceHub account, we reported this racist tweet. We recommend that you report it too.

My own experience is that racism directed against Turks is allowed and promoted on social media networks. Just look at the recent Azerbaijan/Armenia war where the Armenians could say anything they liked about the entire Turkish race. How many racist greek twitter handles exist and its all fine.

I actually think the wider world that isnt aligned with either the west or the east need their own social platforms.
 

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To be fair Erdogan under AK party has gone all out against Isreal, why wouldnt they target Turks? If i slap someone, i'm not going to act shocked when he comes back at me.

Azerbaijan respects Israel and the Isrealis sent Azerbaijan important weapons in their war against Armenia. Weapons Azerbaijan can't get from the west or russia they can get from Isreal.

This is the inherent problem with AK party politics, they start fights they have no means of winning.

As Turks we need to start looking a geopolitics from a purely mathematical rational perspective, if we go in with ideology and religion we come out with failure and disaster.

Look at Pakistan, best friends with genocide committer China. If we look at it purely ideological we would end up hating each other. But if we look at reasonably and rationally it makes perfect sense for Pakistan and what's good for Pakistan is also good for Turkey. We have to look at the realities of the situation with a long term ambition.

Like wise Turkey is part of NATO, if Muslims look at it ideologically we are the great Kafir nation siding with the west. However rationally we needed NATO when the Soviet Union wanted to invade us. We still benefit to a degree from NATO membership.

Not short sighted emotional reactions every time.

If Muslim majority nations could just look at shit rationally, we would have been in some kind of economic and political union long ago.
 

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To be fair Erdogan under AK party has gone all out against Isreal, why wouldnt they target Turks? If i slap someone, i'm not going to act shocked when he comes back at me.

Azerbaijan respects Israel and the Isrealis sent Azerbaijan important weapons in their war against Armenia. Weapons Azerbaijan can't get from the west or russia they can get from Isreal.

This is the inherent problem with AK party politics, they start fights they have no means of winning.

As Turks we need to start looking a geopolitics from a purely mathematical rational perspective, if we go in with ideology and religion we come out with failure and disaster.

Look at Pakistan, best friends with genocide committer China. If we look at it purely ideological we would end up hating each other. But if we look at reasonably and rationally it makes perfect sense for Pakistan and what's good for Pakistan is also good for Turkey. We have to look at the realities of the situation with a long term ambition.

Not short sighted emotional reactions everytime.

Unfortunately.

Ak party always talks about the Ottomans.

Ottomans even conducted their foreign policy with pragmatism not with dumb populism or emotions.

Seriously we have a lot to learn.
 

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To be fair Erdogan under AK party has gone all out against Isreal, why wouldnt they target Turks? If i slap someone, i'm not going to act shocked when he comes back at me.

Azerbaijan respects Israel and the Isrealis sent Azerbaijan important weapons in their war against Armenia. Weapons Azerbaijan can't get from the west or russia they can get from Isreal.

This is the inherent problem with AK party politics, they start fights they have no means of winning.

As Turks we need to start looking a geopolitics from a purely mathematical rational perspective, if we go in with ideology and religion we come out with failure and disaster.

Look at Pakistan, best friends with genocide committer China. If we look at it purely ideological we would end up hating each other. But if we look at reasonably and rationally it makes perfect sense for Pakistan and what's good for Pakistan is also good for Turkey. We have to look at the realities of the situation with a long term ambition.

Not short sighted emotional reactions everytime.

Israel supports YPG PKK in our lands. I cannot criticise AKP for going all out on them. I criticise them for not doing that prior to 2015, even serving them by destabilising Syria and cleaning our borders from mines hence helping them demographically shift the so called Kurdish corridor in favor of YPG.
 

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Good to see some good arguments by the users. You all deserve likes.
 

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Israel supports YPG PKK in our lands. I cannot criticise AKP for going all out on them. I criticise them for not doing that prior to 2015, even serving them by destabilising Syria and cleaning our borders from mines hence helping them demographically shift the so called Kurdish corridor in favor of YPG.

Yes they do, but their support was very discrete, covert and minimal. When erdogan went out all against Isreal their support become open and massive. Meanwhile Erdogan is all out against Isreal, but all he can do is bark.

Dumb politics. England they say don't chat shit if you don't have the means to back it up.

Like wise who doesn't support the pkk against us? US? France? Russia? Iran? Isreal? Syria? Saudis, we can't be enemies with everyone at once. We have to pick are battles, divide and isolate our enemies and then pick them off one by one. Patience, diligence and persistence.
 
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Unfortunately.

Ak party always talks about the Ottomans.

Ottomans even conducted their foreign policy with pragmatism not with dumb populism or emotions.

Seriously we have a lot to learn.

Historically when you look at Turkish imperial success, its always conducted by pragmatic leaders who understand the limitations of their own capabilities. Every time we get leaders with idealistic and fatalistic approach's to geopolitics we lose.

Ataturk and Sultan Suleiman are examples of Pragmatic leaders who understood themselves as well as their enemies.

Enver Pasha and Erdogan are examples of idealistic and fatalistic leaders who don't understand themselves let alone the enemy. Though erdogan has shown an ability to change course when he feels his own rule is under threat.
 

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For Erdogan to have had any real chance of helping the Palestinians he needed the MB to win in Egypt, not be overthrown by Sisi and he needed to MB to win Syria removing Assad. At that you would have had a united front of Turkey, Egypt and Syria, then you could have done something.

But he lost Egypt, morsi was overthrown. Syria turned into a massive disaster where from overthrowing Assad it turned into panic in stopping a new pkkistan state.

Yet here we are still clinging to dreams.

For me the Issue is about winning, are we winning or are we losing. When someone rules Turkey, the number one expectation is that they win, nothing more and nothing less. If your winning i dont care what you call yourself, call yourself buddists for all i care but as long as you are winning. But if you are losing i dont want to hear what you are.
 

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Yes they do, but their support was very discrete, covert and minimal. When erdogan went out all against Isreal their support become open and massive. Meanwhile Erdogan is all out against Isreal, but all he can do is bark.

Dumb politics. England they say don't chat shit if you don't have the means to back it up.

Thats not the way I see it sorry.

1- I think Israeli/Zionist lobby is responsible for all the sinister plans of the US against Turkey. Because under normal circumstances there is literally no reason for the US to not be the greatest ally of Turkey. Two countries should have been literally the natural allies against Russia and even China(Turkey had ethno-cultural extensions to Central Asia and East Turkestan). Instead, we see a US that desires to divide Turkey. We see a US that rather relies on the Gulenist tariqah than Turkey when extending to C.Asia and Africa.

2- When we got banned from the F-35 programme I knew it had nothing to do with S400s. I guess the recent announciation of the US embassy in India(that India wont be banned despite them also buying the same system) confirmed this. Our retired soldier Mesut Hakki Casin and retired grand ambassador Uluc Ozulker also explained why the US concerns about S400 reading F35 is nonsense in multiple programmes too and I think we learnt the real reason why we were banned when Israel also got UAE banned despite having improving relationships with them. That how paranoid they are.
Uluc Ozulker also said it is understood that Israeli lobby was behind Turkeys ban from the programme.

and I know for a fact that it was again Israel that prevented the sales of patriots.
Why do they keep us away from air defense systems and next gen fighter jets?
Because they want to keep the air superiority in Middle East. They dont want a competitor.
If you review Turkey-the US relationship history. You see the relations start going downhill after 1974. Israel became increasingly paranoid after Turkey got them under their range.


3- Now there is also Syrian civil war and YPG. Israel wants Iraq and Syria to be in ashes and seperated by a PKK YPG state. Same for Turkey and Iran.
ISIS was brought from Iraq, sunni opposition of Assad in Syria was weaponised(we contributed to this), Assad himself was Saddamized in media, the US white helmets planted the evidences that Assad made chemical attacks on his people, the country was pulled into a civil war.

Turkey for some reason decided to clean its borders from mines and allow 5 million Arabs living on the so called Kurdish corridor to migrate to herself, the bid for the mine removal was given to an Israeli firm and as a result the so called Kurdish corridor became demographically fit for a YPG state.
(Erdogan was pro-US at this time)

Israel made many operations to Syria.

PKK/YPG enjoy suprisingly(!) well relations and the son of the president of Israel cries free Kurdistan when his own states capital city is on fire.

Again some conspiracy believing folks even suggest Israel is the one that demands our lands as they are the land of Kenan, the promised lands. So they use Kurds to first seperate that and then they will get it.

There is also this view that avengelists in the US support Israel because they are religious mindfucked zealots that think Jesus will only come after Israel has total control on the land of Kenan.

Anyway, long story short Israel is the reason Turkey is in bad relationships with the west, Israel is the reason we have PKK problem.

So I say, if we are going to sit onto table with them and lay our cards open, lets show them that we see their game and we also support Hamas and free Palestine.
 

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Thats not the way I see it sorry.

1- I think Israeli/Zionist lobby is responsible for all the sinister plans of the US against Turkey. Because under normal circumstances there is literally no reason for the US to not be the greatest ally of Turkey. Two countries should have been literally the natural allies against Russia and even China(Turkey had ethno-cultural extensions to Central Asia and East Turkestan). Instead, we see a US that desires to divide Turkey. We see a US that rather relies on the Gulenist tariqah than Turkey when extending to C.Asia and Africa.

2- When we got banned from the F-35 programme I knew it had nothing to do with S400s. I guess the recent announciation of the US embassy in India(that India wont be banned despite them also buying the same system) confirmed this. Our retired soldier Mesut Hakki Casin and retired grand ambassador Uluc Ozulker also explained why the US concerns about S400 reading F35 is nonsense in multiple programmes too and I think we learnt the real reason why we were banned when Israel also got UAE banned despite having improving relationships with them. That how paranoid they are.
Uluc Ozulker also said it is understood that Israeli lobby was behind Turkeys ban from the programme.

and I know for a fact that it was again Israel that prevented the sales of patriots.
Why do they keep us away from air defense systems and next gen fighter jets?
Because they want to keep the air superiority in Middle East. They dont want a competitor.
If you review Turkey-the US relationship history. You see the relations start going downhill after 1974. Israel became increasingly paranoid after Turkey got them under their range.


3- Now there is also Syrian civil war and YPG. Israel wants Iraq and Syria to be in ashes and seperated by a PKK YPG state. Same for Turkey and Iran.
ISIS was brought from Iraq, sunni opposition of Assad in Syria was weaponised(we contributed to this), Assad himself was Saddamized in media, the US white helmets planted the evidences that Assad made chemical attacks on his people, the country was pulled into a civil war.

Turkey for some reason decided to clean its borders from mines and allow 5 million Arabs living on the so called Kurdish corridor to migrate to herself, the bid for the mine removal was given to an Israeli firm and as a result the so called Kurdish corridor became demographically fit for a YPG state.
(Erdogan was pro-US at this time)

Israel made many operations to Syria.

PKK/YPG enjoy suprisingly(!) well relations and the son of the president of Israel cries free Kurdistan when his own states capital city is on fire.

Again some conspiracy believing folks even suggest Israel is the one that demands our lands as they are the land of Kenan, the promised lands. So they use Kurds to first seperate that and then they will get it.

There is also this view that avengelists in the US support Israel because they are religious mindfucked zealots that think Jesus will only come after Israel has total control on the land of Kenan.

Anyway, long story short Israel is the reason Turkey is in bad relationships with the west, Israel is the reason we have PKK problem.

So I say, if we are going to sit onto table with them and lay our cards open, lets show them that we see their game and we also support Hamas and free Palestine.

Much of what you say is correct, however Zionism is not what you think it is. "priory of sion" start there and work forward. Most Zionists are not Jews, they are Anglo-Saxons western Europeans, these same people actually detest the Jews as much as they do the Muslims. The first international bankers were not jews, they were knights templars/crusaders who hated the Turks. Most national banks are not run by jews and the biggest banks are owned by british/germanic peoples.

Just like Kurdistan is a means to an end so is Greater Isreal. Jews themselves are caught up in the conspiracy, it doesnt mean you dont have jews in it but most jews like most english have nothing to do with these "new world order" games.

Anyway the point is about playing the game and winning, not screaming and losing as erdogan is doing. And that brings me to my second point Turks need to wake up and stop trusting something because it parades around as Muslim, as this man pointed out erdogan along with gulen planned for much of the hell in the region.
 
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