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How IDF UAVs can't dedect those movements and vehicles?


Moreover those " heroes" cover themselves inside residents, using human shield.
That looks like a poor Arab neighborhood in Israel. I will try to find exact location.
 
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That looks like a poor Arab neighborhood in Israel. I will try to find exact location.
Can you do that? I though it wasn't Israel, it seems Gaza. In Israel they couldnt have moved rocket loaded trucks in daylight.
There are number plates . @500 could decode situation.

By the way , i think defencehub must be first forum in the world which shared this video.
 
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Can you do that? I though it wasn't Israel, it seems Gaza. In Israel they couldnt have moved rocket loaded trucks in daylight.
There are number plates . @500 could decode situation.

By the way , i think defencehub must be first forum in the world which shared this video.
It was posted here before your post, and somebody said it's fake. It really seems fake. The boy, who calls somebody to look, has Syrian accent, kind of and the area seems very similar to those of Latakia, Slunfeh in Syria but to your information, Syria does not have yellow plate numbers but Israel does. I said I will try, the record isn't that clear but that accent, the neighborhood and architecture is clear. If I can't find the exact location, I don't want to be stoned =)
 
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Does Israel hold any countries responsible for the Hamas' strength?
For example is there a notion among people that Turkey or Egypt is the reason Hamas gained strength etc?
I remember Erdogan having a meeting with leaders of Hamas not so long ago.

In Turkey EU, the US, Russia, Israel, Iran are all held accountable for the strengthenment of PKK/YPG.
 

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@Nilgiri @Deliorman
How IDF UAVs can't dedect those movements and vehicles?


Moreover those " heroes" cover themselves inside residents, using human shield.

@500 Could you tell us please if it was in Gaza or in Israel.

Question probably best directed to @500

I am unsure to level of area domination needed in this particular environment for effective UAV strategy.

It is very different to anywhere in world given this whole area is pretty much one large nearly continuous urbanised area seeing what it is seeing....and covering what it is covering too.

i.e how much of these saturation launches are done from single platform (like a large truck or dedicated barrage launcher) versus multiple platforms (Smaller vehicles) involved in stockpiling and then gathering for launch quickly and intensely and nearby etc....for say rudimentary barrage launchers.

I mean in this case the thing is a truck, you put a tarp over it and it looks like any other goods truck. How many such goods truck exist in gaza and where, what are their regular patterns etc...can things be discriminated based on these etc.

To say get last few minutes of it (when it presents itself clearly as what it is) needs extreme amount of surveillance for feasible interdiction window....that too in urban areas.

I saw some videos barrage launchers from hamas propaganda video (out in more desert scrub rural area), I would assume those are more easily detectable by IDF....so they are probably not that much in use relative to the more mobile means.

In the end its known by IDF intel as to what they know, what they dont know and what is the optimal strategy from their end.

I am sure they have ballistics backtraced all known trajectories seen by their radars and iron dome etc....as to what are the launch site areas and if they are concentrated enough for area-domination + UAV strategy....and if not so, where that threshold would have to be done by IDF anyway (i.e say iron dome interceptors start to run low or get exhausted).

That latter part would need IDF mobilisation and ramp up to some kind of war theatre level I would assume....i.e iron dome is more or less designed for more regular setting and maybe cpl tiers above that to buy some time and buffer for resolution within that and reduce risks of larger conflict (that simply was not available to Israel before and thus lot of flareups turned highly violent before compared to post-iron dome).

But you go past it (say IDF intel misjudged level of raw materials like fertiliser that got through the smuggling networks anyway) and earlier pre-iron dome situation arrives anyway, so we would have to be prepared to see that.

But these are all closely guarded intel secrets etc, like who knows exactly how many iron dome interceptors IDF has, and at what tiers/reserves they have them organised w.r.t their strategy and doctrine.

In the end we have to wait and see how it plays out again.
 

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Correction

Most of the Jews sent to Palestine from Europe are Ashkenazi Jews who are mainly European converts (Germans, Poles, Russians, Greeks etc.. ) to Judaism

The modern Jewish National Identity and ideology aka Zionism was started by these European Jewish converts.

Only Middle Eastern Jews like the Mizrahim are actual semites
Very well said and factually correct. Obviously I used broad strokes but what you said is very true.

personally you have to leave religion out of geopolitics. When you allow a romanticised view of the world to decide political decisions, you will in most cases end up the loser.
Agreed 100%.

If regional muslim majority states operated under cold hard logic, they would have united long ago. You would have seen something similar to the european union. But it operates under emotion and short term regional vision.
Unity rarely comes without force or persuasive effect of power. The natural order of things is to have diffused entities all vying and jarring against each other. Order is imposed. This happens when one dominant party comes along and imposes order. If you look at the history of Europe prior to 1945 you will see centuries of war between differant entities and states. More bloodshed was spilled in these wars trhen at any other time in history of mankind.

However United States of America prevailed as the military and economic superpower. Once Germany was defeated it towered over others and under it's ambit a order and unity was imposed. The modern peace and calm you see in Europe is largely product of Pax Americans. It underwrites the order. The Bosnian conflict made that amply clear. As Europe prevaricated and talked it took USA to walk in and stamp some peace.

The Muslim world has no such single entity that towers over all others and can perform the role of 'big daddy'. Thus you are left with chaos and conflict. It could be argued with some merit that prior to 1914 the Ottoman Empire provided such a role but all that is history today.

It would appear that during the 20th century Europe consolidated whereas West Asia fractured. Thus the lines in the desert and city states by the half dozen.
 
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Question probably best directed to @500

I am unsure to level of area domination needed in this particular environment for effective UAV strategy.

It is very different to anywhere in world given this whole area is pretty much one large nearly continuous urbanised area seeing what it is seeing....and covering what it is covering too.

i.e how much of these saturation launches are done from single platform (like a large truck or dedicated barrage launcher) versus multiple platforms (Smaller vehicles) involved in stockpiling and then gathering for launch quickly and intensely and nearby etc....for say rudimentary barrage launchers.

I mean in this case the thing is a truck, you put a tarp over it and it looks like any other goods truck. How many such goods truck exist in gaza and where, what are their regular patterns etc...can things be discriminated based on these etc.

To say get last few minutes of it (when it presents itself clearly as what it is) needs extreme amount of surveillance for feasible interdiction window....that too in urban areas.

I saw some videos barrage launchers from hamas propaganda video (out in more desert scrub rural area), I would assume those are more easily detectable by IDF....so they are probably not that much in use relative to the more mobile means.

In the end its known by IDF intel as to what they know, what they dont know and what is the optimal strategy from their end.

I am sure they have ballistics backtraced all known trajectories seen by their radars and iron dome etc....as to what are the launch site areas and if they are concentrated enough for area-domination + UAV strategy....and if not so, where that threshold would have to be done by IDF anyway (i.e say iron dome interceptors start to run low or get exhausted).

That latter part would need IDF mobilisation and ramp up to some kind of war theatre level I would assume....i.e iron dome is more or less designed for more regular setting and maybe cpl tiers above that to buy some time and buffer for resolution within that and reduce risks of larger conflict (that simply was not available to Israel before and thus lot of flareups turned highly violent before compared to post-iron dome).

But you go past it (say IDF intel misjudged level of raw materials like fertiliser that got through the smuggling networks anyway) and earlier pre-iron dome situation arrives anyway, so we would have to be prepared to see that.

But these are all closely guarded intel secrets etc, like who knows exactly how many iron dome interceptors IDF has, and at what tiers/reserves they have them organised w.r.t their strategy and doctrine.

In the end we have to wait and see how it plays out again.
Sorry bothering you. It appears fake video from 2018. Forget about it.

On the other hand still we havent seen closely Hamas launching rockets. They keep secret.
 

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The american/cia owned FETO organisation was filled with ethnic bosnians. Most of the coup plotters were ethnic bosnians, albanians. I'm always careful when talking to bosnians, because they parade as some kind of deciding factor on Turkish history. When the truth is you shouldnt.

And don't bring that russian orthodox shill into my arguments. Don't taint my words with that clown.

Ashkenazi jews barely have any asian features whatsoever.
 

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Ashkenazi jews barely have any asian features whatsoever.

Mixing. Just like Turks today have always mixed with the peoples they have conquered. Like the Turk, the Jew can look like anyone.

The Turk has people who look northern european, who look arabic/pakistani to east asian. The jews have this same feature to a lessor degree.
 

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This was the flag of the Karamanid Turks who can trace their ancestry back to the Khazers and thus back to the Oghuz Turks.

1000px-Karamanid_Dynasty_flag.svg.png


Yes i know this symbol is also important to muslims, but to simply dismiss a Turkic Jewish empire as being completely irrelevant to who the europeans jews are today is ridiculous. Its definitely played a role, how much is the real question.

The Seljuk Turks become Muslim and it changed the Muslim world forever.

When the Bulgar Turks become Christian, it stopped the Umayyads from conquering Europe.
 

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Sorry bothering you. It appears fake video from 2018. Forget about it.

On the other hand still we havent seen closely Hamas launching rockets. They keep secret.

Yah I saw the reply as I hit send.

In any case I geared my reply to be more overall situation in Gaza anyway....if there is indeed this kind of situation going on in ground there (large launchers prevalent as % of total)....w.r.t whatever logistics and overall composition (planned or unplanned) Hamas has set up for its rockets manufacture, stockpile and delivery means.

i.e if UAV can do it better somewhere along this chain, IDF would have opted for it already.

Thus reliance on iron dome for these tiers so far (over UAV).... leads me to assume its mostly lot more % of smaller launchers hamas uses and stockpiled (say 90%+ low travel + near use) in multiple sites (essentially whole of Gaza).

It is all kind of thing that you only really know in post-anaysis after a conflict has finished or resolved.
 

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Mixing. Just like Turks today have always mixed with the peoples they have conquered. Like the Turk, the Jew can look like anyone.

The Turk has people who look northern european, who look arabic/pakistani to east asian. The jews have this same feature to a lessor degree.

Asian features are still present in Turkey.
 

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This was the flag of the Karamanid Turks who can trace their ancestry back to the Khazers and thus back to the Oghuz Turks.

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1- Khazars were Oghur Turks like Bulgars and Huns not Oghuz.
2- Star of David was a prominent Muslim symbol as well.
3- The only relation with Khazars and Oghuz Turks was that it was Oghuz Turks who destroyed Khazar Empire along with Rus and there is also a theory that Seljuk was a commander/vassal of Khazars in his youth and he might have been Judaist for a small period of his life. This is said due to his childrens names: Mikail(Michael), Musa(Moses), Yunus(Jonah), Yusuf(Joseph), Israel Arslan.

Though these names are also used by Muslims it looks just a bit more than coincidence. Especially the name Israel is mind boggling.
 

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Though these names are also used by Muslims it looks just a bit more than coincidence. Especially the name Israel is mind boggling.

Why is that? Israel (Yisrael) is another name for Jacob (Yakub).

The cause of Zionism (a 19th century - 20th century movement) identified the two pre-roman jewish states (Israel and Judea) from which all 12 tribes of the Jews come from (jacob's sons).

But so much more time has been established in Muslim naming conventions and heritage (shared by all abrahamic religions) than cpl centuries, i.e about 1400 years or so.... for current political impact to make sudden impression on that larger inertia.
 

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Dear members;

Please do not break the integrity of the topic with offtopic posts. Pay attention to whether the posts you send are related to the thread..
 
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New airstrikes on Gaza

Israel responds to the Gaza Strip
Air raid sirens sound in the city of Rishon LeZion south of Tel Aviv and Gush Dan district
Large bursts of rockets are now flying towards Ben Giron Airport and Tel Aviv.


Super heavy attack on Tel Aviv

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1- Khazars were Oghur Turks like Bulgars and Huns not Oghuz.
2- Star of David was a prominent Muslim symbol as well.
3- The only relation with Khazars and Oghuz Turks was that it was Oghuz Turks who destroyed Khazar Empire along with Rus and there is also a theory that Seljuk was a commander/vassal of Khazars in his youth and he might have been Judaist for a small period of his life. This is said due to his childrens names: Mikail(Michael), Musa(Moses), Yunus(Jonah), Yusuf(Joseph), Israel Arslan.

Though these names are also used by Muslims it looks just a bit more than coincidence. Especially the name Israel is mind boggling.

so basically Turks. Which brings me full circle, we don't exactly know the full extent a Jewish Turkish empire had on the Jewish world. But i guess we move on since the mods don't want the thread derailed. Back to arabs and jews killing each other.
 
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