Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[rif.ahm]

I don't think anyone else, besides Iran and Israel, possesses this kind of firepower in the region.

 

[rif.ahm]

I don't think anyone else, besides Iran and Israel, possesses this kind of firepower in the region.

this comment might rub some people in the wrong way but it is what it is.

 

[TR_123456]

So,180 missiles sent and one dead.
Good job Iran.
Every time Israel sends one missile 100's die.

 

[rif.ahm]

sending tens of missles in the heart of Israel, umm some ballsy stuff from Iran.

 

[somegoodusername]

You should think Israel defense, they use GPS janning etc not only iron dome

So, why aren’t the Iranians developing multiple guidance systems or making their electronics resistant to jamming? We are doing that on Turkey. Missing the target by 500 meters is poor technology. Even good quality INS would bring you closer to the target.

 

[somegoodusername]

We can't interpret whether Iran used latest tech missiles or not.

These entered service within the last decade.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841249748574970047

 

[MaciekRS]

From Topwar
"
However, everything that is happening in the Middle East resembles a strange game of give-and-take.

1. Hamas attacks Israel.
2. Israel destroys Hamas.
3. Hezbollah is waiting for Hamas to be destroyed and is beginning to irritate Israel with small forays.
4. Israel destroys Hezbollah.
5. Iran awaits the destruction of Hezbollah and deals an annoying blow to Israel."

 

[Yasar_TR]

So,180 missiles sent and one dead.
Good job Iran.
Every time Israel sends one missile 100's die.

One needs to think about the fact that both US and Israel have very short tolerance levels when it comes to losing civilian Israeli lives. (Ironically neither country cares about civilian lives when it is Arabs that are on the receiving end. Nor do most of the Europeans)
Bombing populated areas would attract behaviour in kind against Iran. Iran doesn’t want that. These are face saving moves by the Iranian regime. But at the same time they are learning about the efficacy of their arsenal. As per @Anmdt ’s post, MaRV use have given them higher percentage of missiles going through iron dome. They need to increase the precision of their missiles now.
Unless Russian and Chinese satellites show us the real damage, we will never know the level of destruction; Since neither side can be trusted with the truth when it comes to propoganda.

 

[somegoodusername]

From Topwar
"
However, everything that is happening in the Middle East resembles a strange game of give-and-take.

1. Hamas attacks Israel.
2. Israel destroys Hamas.
3. Hezbollah is waiting for Hamas to be destroyed and is beginning to irritate Israel with small forays.
4. Israel destroys Hezbollah.
5. Iran awaits the destruction of Hezbollah and deals an annoying blow to Israel."

Hamas hasn’t even been destroyed yet, and they claim Israel has taken out Hezbollah because they killed its leadership. Hezbollah has open supply lines to Iran, unlike Hamas in Gaza. It took Israel a year to somewhat pacify Hamas in Gaza. If they want to pacify Hezbollah, another year-long war at the very least awaits.

 

[SilverMachine]

Not really. The Hez fighters, infantry guys, aren't really of that much concern. All they have to do is take out the rocket launchers (which seems like 3/4 taken care of already), and they'd probably want to get a hold on stamping out a lot of the tunnel network too which is incoming.

You're not going to "pacify" Hezbollah, death-cults are death-culty. All you need to do is neuter their military capacity, which is more than do-able. And if you're going further in taking this all the way to Iran you're probably going a ways to cut off their supply chain anyway. Iran's not sending shit to Hezbollah & the Houthis if they're wanting it for Iran.

 

[Latebra Factum]

IMO , most of the direct impacts took place inside IDF/IAF military facilities , making it difficult to interpret any damage

 

[somegoodusername]

Not really. The Hez fighters, infantry guys, aren't really of that much concern. All they have to do is take out the rocket launchers (which seems like 3/4 taken care of already), and they'd probably want to get a hold on stamping out a lot of the tunnel network too which is incoming.

You're not going to "pacify" Hezbollah, death-cults are death-culty. All you need to do is neuter their military capacity, which is more than do-able. And if you're going further in taking this all the way to Iran you're probably going a ways to cut off their supply chain anyway. Iran's not sending shit to Hezbollah & the Houthis if they're wanting it for Iran.

2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The power parity between Israel and Hezbollah has narrowed compared to 2006. Iran has developed its defense industry to a certain level. While Iranian weapons aren’t on par with NATO quality, there’s a big difference between being hit by a worse version of an RPG-29 and a worse version of a Javelin.

The IDF didn’t engage in much ground combat in Gaza; they mostly leveled the city with little regard for civilian casualties. The West’s free pass for Israel’s ethnic cleansing tactics is slowly expiring. France has distanced itself, and Spain has moved from discontent to outright anger.

 

[Corvus]

So,180 missiles sent and one dead.
Good job Iran.
Every time Israel sends one missile 100's die.

It’s perfectly normal that no one was killed in the attack, as it was already clear that the missiles were coming, and all of Israel had taken shelter. In any case, the goal of the attack wasn’t to kill people but to serve as a reminder.

Israel has no capability to fully defend itself against an intense ballistic missile attack as we saw today, it's incredibly difficult to intercept them during the terminal phase.

Despite all NATO support, most of the ballistic missiles Russia has fired at Ukraine have hit their targets, with an interception rate of around 10%.

How do you think the regime in North Korea keeps the world on edge? Because technically, they have the capability to wipe Los Angeles off the map.

Once again, Iran acted with restraint, warning in advance and targeting a few airbases. They could have caused catastrophic damage by hitting nuclear facilities, petrochemical plants, power stations, ports, etc.

Israel is aware of this vulnerability, which is why it cannot afford an all-out war with Iran. Those who were already in the know understood this, and those who weren’t learned it today.

 

[Radonsider]

Why do people here think that Israel transparent about their losses?

And is "how many civilians killed" is a good metric for you to classify if an attack was successful or not?

 

[MaciekRS]

Why do people here think that Israel transparent about their losses?

And is "how many civilians killed" is a good metric for you to classify if an attack was successful or not?

Then how can you judge if attack was succesfull when there is ZERO proof from either side?
We can see damage in Ukraina Russia war in most of the cases from films or sattelite photos. Not in this case.

 

[Sanchez]

Then how can you judge if attack was succesfull when there is ZERO proof from either side?
We can see damage in Ukraina Russia war in most of the cases from films or sattelite photos. Not in this case.

We can't. Adding, as most of the targets are confirmed to be military sites where it's not possible to film from close range, we can't ascertain whether strike was a tactical success or not for now.

 

[SUMAYYA]

Yes, Iran does not want a large regional war. It aims to restore its deterrence capability, which has become the subject of domestic and regional criticism. Although most of its attacks were carried out through proxies, it chose on some occasions to carry out direct strikes from its territory in an attempt to demonstrate the ability to bear responsibility for responding and to deal seriously if the Israeli insults to it and its partners continued. Iran could have used more accurate ballistic missiles or directed joint attacks between proxies if it wanted to confuse Israeli defenses, but it did the opposite and the response was reasonable.

 

[Afif]

Apperantly they used few newest of the MRBM family with MaRV capability. I got the feeling that the RV either maneuvers to evade, and landing farther than target or maneuvers to keep the target within CEP.

When they launch 10 kinds of similar looking MRBMs it is hard to distinguish too.

Apperantly, these were used in the attack this time. (Visual confirmations so far)

The first two, Ghadr-110 and Emad are old. (With not so good CEP) The later two, Khyber Shekhan and Fattah-1 are newer. Apperantly, Fattah-1 is their 'hyperopic' weapon. The MaRV is equipped with secondary thrust vectoring motor along with large conventional control surfaces as you can see. I am no expert, but by the external look of it, Both Kheibar Shekhan and Fattah-1 should be able to pull some heavy maneuver. They also seems to have better guidance with improved (claimed) CEP of 10m. At least in test videos they seem to do well. But then again, under combat situation with GPS jamming, it is a different matter.

VIDEO: Iran's Fattah-1 hypersonic missile

TEHRAN, Nov. 21 (MNA) – The footage shows the capability of Iran's Fattah-1 hypersonic missile. The missile successfully hits the target as the video clip shows.

en.mehrnews.com

 

[SilverMachine]

2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The power parity between Israel and Hezbollah has narrowed compared to 2006. Iran has developed its defense industry to a certain level. While Iranian weapons aren’t on par with NATO quality, there’s a big difference between being hit by a worse version of an RPG-29 and a worse version of a Javelin.

The IDF didn’t engage in much ground combat in Gaza; they mostly leveled the city with little regard for civilian casualties. The West’s free pass for Israel’s ethnic cleansing tactics is slowly expiring. France has distanced itself, and Spain has moved from discontent to outright anger.

No, I meant more that Israel doesn't have to worry about Hezbollah grunts-with-guns on the *homefront*, it's not really an issue in terms of them invading en-masse and pulling off some Oct 7th thing but bigger. The IDF has a handle on that, and sounds like they've already dismantled a big prior attempt sometime since last year.

Of course if you're rolling the tanks into Lebanon the Hez guys are going to take some out, kill some Israeli grunts, maybe take some hostage agains. That's war, and that type of small-time ambush stuff is what those guys are good at. It's the bigger, sophisticated stuff that'll have any impact on the status quo that they suck at. I'm against a ground invasion of southern Lebanon by the way, with you on that. I'm just saying that Hezbollah's not a problem for Israel *internally* if you take out the missile & rocket capability. You don't have to "destroy Hezbollah completely" or whatever, no serious person thinks that's even possible, it's just also not even necessary. Kill the leaders, cut off their sugar-daddy, make sure they have no launchers to shoot their rockets from, cave as many tunnels as you can in on themselves, bingo bango, done and done. Hezbollah's already back to pre-2006 power as of now, it's just sort of a mop-up job from here on, which I guess is why they're going in with the tanks, much as I feel that's unwise and playing into Hez's simplistic bonehead plans.

 

[Afif]

Iranian attack caused damage to Israel Air Force bases, IDF says

While Iranian missiles did hit army bases, the Israel Air Force emphasized that no civilians, soldiers, or planes were harmed.

m.jpost.com

Apperantly, nothing significant has happened. Though IDF is still censoring.