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@Gary I wonder if Hamas has any stock of RPG-30. A really cheap but effective solution to defeat Active protection systems on Israeli armor.

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"The RPG-30, like the RPG-27, is a man-portable, disposable anti-tank rocket launcher with a single shot capacity. Unlike the RPG-27 however, there is a smaller diameter precursor round in a side tube, in addition to the main round in the main tube. The precursor round is fired shortly before the main round and acts as a decoy, tricking the target's active protection system (APS) into engaging it. The APS is not ready to engage again until 0.2–0.4 seconds later, allowing the main round time to hit the target."

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That's impossible. It says that the RPG-30 was developed only in 2008. Russia could supply such grenade launchers after 2015, after the invasion of Syria. At that time, Russia tried not to conflict with Israel.
Even if they wanted it, they wouldn't provide it. The principle of the military doctrine of the USSR/Russia has always been that they always sold old weapons, to which Russia itself encountered military-technical opposition, that is, if Russia created the latest weapons developments that were superior to the weapons being sold, so that later these weapons would not create a serious obstacle against Russia itself.
 

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Israeli columnist Sergei Auslander says it is impossible for the Israelis to live next to Hamas, so they will surround and slowly destroy Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip. And in the southern part there will probably not be total destruction due to the huge number of civilians.
Saudi Arabia said it would conclude a previously planned agreement with Israel after the war. Saudi Arabia shoots down missiles fired by Houthis from Yemen towards Israel.
 

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This is why your judgement of the whole situation is wrong. The Arab states are not an extension of Israel. They are independent states that try to look after their own interests, which is how states should act.
LMAO, Using your logic, Germany shouldn't be bothered with helping Ukraine, and Europe(especially Eastern Europeans) shouldn't press the Germans to supply Weapons to Ukraine and distance themselves from Russian gas, because doing so hurts their economy and it's not in their "interests".


There's something larger than your individual country, and that is the civilizations you represents, the West spent a lot of time bullshitting everyone that they should only focus on their country "interests. According to their theory of statecraft, nobody around you is important but yourself, the Arabs and the muslims buys this shit, this is what led to the abandonment of the Palestinians by Arab states even though they're only a stone's throw away.

Meanwhile when it comes to their interests, like for example: Ukraine, you'll see the Westerners suddenly forming a ring to defend their people, even forcing countries like Germany into recession just to save Ukrainians many many miles away.

I hope more and more countries and people distance themselves from fake Western political "wisdom", because it hurts them in the long run

For the wealthy Arab states, Israel is a more natural ally than the Palestinians, because Israel is much more alike them.
Let me correct that for you: For the wealthy Arab leaders, Israel is a more natural ally than the Palestinians, because Israel is much more alike them.


They can cooperate with Israel in technology, defence, economy, tourism, etc., while the likes of Hamas or any Iranian-associated militias are just a potential threat to their security and wealth.

The Arabs are wealthy and happy enough without having to "open up" with Israel. Even in Indonesia, we are happy without opening up with Israel.
For the short term shortsightedness and little gain, the Arab leaders justify cooperating with Israel, showing just how corrupt these people are.


But the reality is that the Arab leaders have no better choice than the status quo which is siding with the Americans and the Israelis and hoping that the Iranian regime will crack first under the weight of sanctions and economic problems. If the Iranian regime falls, then it should be possible to defeat all the regional militias that are now supported and financed by Tehran and move towards a more secure and prosperous Middle East. There is no good alternative to that.
True, Arab leaders have no better choice, but the Arab people do have a choice.

Again as we speak, the Americans are bulking up for a gargantuan struggle in the Pacific, meanwhile in the Middle East armed actors are popping up and the demography is exploding like crazy. This supports the possibility the success of embracing military solutions.

Between now and 2049, there's a window of opportunity to flip over the old American designed Middle East order and replace it with the order of your own liking. What's happening in Gaza today might be the catalyst I'm looking for.
 

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Israeli columnist Sergei Auslander says it is impossible for the Israelis to live next to Hamas, so they will surround and slowly destroy Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip. And in the southern part there will probably not be total destruction due to the huge number of civilians.
Saudi Arabia said it would conclude a previously planned agreement with Israel after the war. Saudi Arabia shoots down missiles fired by Houthis from Yemen towards Israel.

If arabs want something to chance, the outrage shouldnt be directed against Isreal, it should be directed against their own leaders in said arab nations. Like others have pointed out on here, the gulf arabs have trillions invested in the west, they could pull their investments out, send their oil and gas to the east, embargo all trade with Isreal. But that will only happen if the leaders of the arabs fear their peoples reprisals, since they don't its business as usual and all the protesting and screaming around the world is no more useful then pissing in the wind.

We saw in Syria how the Arabs invited Assad back into the fold despite murdering hundreds of thousands of arabs and displacing many millions, the west sees this and they laugh at how weak the arab world behaves.

The western world knows the Arabs don't care about each other, so they know wiping Arabs out means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

When the Russians bombed Turkish troops in syria, erdogan and the so called islamists tried to hide it from the people. They didn't report it and they were pretending like it didnt happen. However on social media people knew all about it and the anger it created in the people that they were even going to the border demanding to be enlisted into the army and sent to fight the Russians, this forced erdogan to act. Naturally it didn't help that a day into the retaliation he's begging for a meeting with Putin and then like a shameless coward went to Russia to come to some kind of shitty agreement. But the point is without the Turkish public demanding action, it would never have come. We would have only been a nation that brags "we can come suddenly one night" while the enemies keep screwing us. If Turks want syria resolved, the Turkish people have to create pressure on the administration, without it they will do nothing but talk plenty of bullshit.

So long story short of arabs want something to change they need to create pressure on their leaders. The other day the saudis had the party Fury vs Ngganou, the arabs should have shut it down. Let the Trillionaire degenerates know that while arabs are being slaughtered their can be no parties.
 
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LMAO, Using your logic, Germany shouldn't be bothered with helping Ukraine, and Europe(especially Eastern Europeans) shouldn't press the Germans to supply Weapons to Ukraine and distance themselves from Russian gas, because doing so hurts their economy and it's not in their "interests".

European countries are allies, and part of the common economic bloc named the European Union. While it is true that each country has individual interests that many times are divergent, it was in the common interest of all Europeans to defend Ukraine and stop Russia from advancing West.

In the Middle East, the equivalent is th Gulf Cooperation Council, made of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman. Those countries are natural allies with common interests. Notice that Palestine is not part of that group, and it is even far away from it (no direct border, not many cultural or economic similarities).

To make a better analogy, Palestine for the GCC countries is something like Armenia is for Europeans. There is some common ground, but they are far away and not important enough to warrant military or economic interventions. When Azerbaidjan retook the Nagorno-Karabakh, Europeans just asked for a ceasefire and did nothing. Very similar to the Saudis now when it comes to Palestine.

There's something larger than your individual country, and that is the civilizations you represents, the West spent a lot of time bullshitting everyone that they should only focus on their country "interests. According to their theory of statecraft, nobody around you is important but yourself, the Arabs and the muslims buys this shit, this is what led to the abandonment of the Palestinians by Arab states even though they're only a stone's throw away.

Meanwhile when it comes to their interests, like for example: Ukraine, you'll see the Westerners suddenly forming a ring to defend their people, even forcing countries like Germany into recession just to save Ukrainians many many miles away.

As I explained in the prior paragraphs, Ukraine is important for Europe (direct border with EU countries, potential for entry in the EU in the future, strong cultural ties with Poland) and Russia is a threat not only to Ukraine, but also to EU countries, while Palestine is insignificant for the Gulf countries and Israel is no threat to them. The situation in Palestine is important for Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, but is very insignificant for the GCC countries. For them, Yemen is a much bigger issue, and this is where they cooperated with the failed military attempt.

My point is, the GCC countries don’t have many common interests with the wider Arabic world. They are more aligned with the West, so Israel could be a natural ally for them against the Iranian threat.

Let me correct that for you: For the wealthy Arab leaders, Israel is a more natural ally than the Palestinians, because Israel is much more alike them.

Those countries are absolutist monarchies. The leaders don’t have to justify anything to the population. They are not democratic countries. And their strategy to keep the population from revolting is based on economic incentives, as people who are well fed and have an easy life are less likely to revolt. For their economies to work, they need to be friends with the West.

Also, Hamas is the type of organization that the Gulf leaders don’t want to see in their region. They feel threatened by Iranian proxies, so Israel is actually defending their interests when pummeling Iranian militias in Syria.

The Arabs are wealthy and happy enough without having to "open up" with Israel. Even in Indonesia, we are happy without opening up with Israel.
For the short term shortsightedness and little gain, the Arab leaders justify cooperating with Israel, showing just how corrupt these people are.

They want to open up to Israel as a way to build more security in the Middle East. Indonesia is not threatened by its neighboring countries, but the Gulf Arab kingdoms are. Remember that Kuwait was invaded by Iraq not long ago, and it was the Americans who came to their rescue. They need to cultivate good relations with the US (and by extension Israel) in order to deter any potential Iranian agression.

True, Arab leaders have no better choice, but the Arab people do have a choice.

Arab people have different interests based on where they live and the opportunities they have. Arabs from the rich Gulf countries are very content with the status quo. Arabs from Syria, Lebanon or Egypt may have other priorities as they are poorer.

People are more united by social class then by anything else. Ethnicity, religion, language, country, all of that comes second after socio-economic class. You have more in common with someone from the same economic class in a different country and culture than you have with the much poorer or much wealthier people in your own country.

Between now and 2049, there's a window of opportunity to flip over the old American designed Middle East order and replace it with the order of your own liking. What's happening in Gaza today might be the catalyst I'm looking for.

The current American designed Middle East order is very good for the wealthy Gulf countries, and they have all the reasons to defend the status quo. They should be crazy to challenge it as they have a lot to lose from any upheaval.
 

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Jordanian Prime Minister announced that they will intervene in the war if Israel tries to exile the people of Gaza and the West Bank.
By threatining israel, Jordan is breaking peace treaty which was signed 20 years ago. It does not include israel accepting Plaestine or had any agreement of stablishing two state or accepting to talk further about two state solution with Jordan.

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Are we really going to believe that somehow the worlds most monitored borders somehow didn't see the hamas attack coming? A border that has 24 hour surveillance, cameras that pick up movements and heat. A border that has her agents imbedded across the other side keeping a look out, a border that's monitored 24/7 from the air?

Quite a few ex-IDF intelligence soldiers came out and said its impossible that Isreal wouldn't have seen this attack coming. IMPOSSIBLE, unless they wanted this attack to happen.

In order for Isreal to expand she needs conflict, she needs to create the perception that she's the only democracy in the brown islamist middle east. To me it looks like the common Muslim is falling for Isreali tricks.

All the barking and screaming from the Islamist leaders including erdogan so far has amounted to ZERO. Its all just theatre. The Isrealis are in Gaza now looking to annex at least half of it and no one is going to stop it despite all the barking, no one.

After Palestine is gone, the so called enemy will be bordering nations who the Isrealis will claim are harbouring Palestinian terrorists who have designs on their land. A terrorist attack here and there and Isrealis will claim they have the right to defend themselves and then the expansion outwards occurs. This is a hundred year game we all got ahead of us.

Isreal is just the tool, the heads of this imperial project are the USA/UK and a few European nations.

In the background the decades of dehumanisation directed against Muslims and specifically against us Turks, no other Muslim finds his people constantly dehumanised like the Turks is about preparing the long game for when a day comes that they target us directly.
Armenian mindset cry about holocaust or genocide whenever you are starting to lose a war.
 
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