Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[Huelague]

 

[500]

1. Hamas is militairily active and killing IDF-soldiers every day.

IDF took all Gaza towns with total population of over 2 million losing 400 soldiers:

IDF in center of Gaza city:

IDF in center of Khan Yunes:

IDF in center of Rafah:

IDF in center of Jabalia:

For comparison Russia lost 22,000 soldiers in 70 k town of Bakhmut.

2. Hamas launching rockets towards Israel every day.

In the beginning of the war they fired long range rocket salvos at Tel Aviv 3 times a day. They fired hurderds of rockets at other towns. Now they fire couple mortar shells a week which fall in open field near the border or in Gaza itself.

3. No civillian rejection or resistance against Hamas.
4. Hamas is on the negotiation table and there is no ‘De-Hamasication’.

Thats Gazan choice:

1) To be a free proud and prospering nation.
2) To be poor slaves of Iranian mullas.

If trey chose #2 - its their problem.

No more games like before 7 oct.

 

[YeşilVatan]

IDF took all Gaza towns with total population of over 2 million losing 400 soldiers:

I'm not a Hamas cheerleader, but this is not the true statement of military prowess imo. Kurds (PKK) tried the 'assymmetric urban defense' bullshit in a couple of towns back in 2015. Turkish military/police retook the towns after somehow comperable fighting conditions. We pride ourselves in not carpet bombing the towns, which caused maybe 3-5 times more casualities for our servicemen. We also rebuilt the same towns for free, with astonishing speed. Just search for Sur or Cizre before and after photos. I don't think Israel conducted itself with the same underlying good intention towards civilians. And this is the true problem for Israeli PR. If a person is moderately neutral, the bullshit is easy to see through. The ratio of civilian/combatant casualities are horrendous.

That being said, I'm truly disinterested towards the moral aspect of this war. Just wanted to point things out.

 

[TR_123456]

Ceasefire reached!

Long live the resistance!

Hamas outlasted the combined forces of the Western superpowers.

Isolated and blocked from the outside world they still defeated Israel.

Israel couldnt liberate the hostages with force and get pressured to come to the negotiation table.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879582970698444801

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879585039295672607

Why are you so happy?
After six weeks Israel will declare that Hamas violated the ceasefire and continue bombing Gaza,killing more women and children.
Cant you see that?
Why do you think the the ultra right parties agreed to the ceasefire?

 

[TR_123456]

IDF took all Gaza towns with total population of over 2 million losing 400 soldiers:

Are you really comparing Ukraine to Gaza?
Two standing armies in Ukraine.
Israeli Armed Forces against a couple of Kalashnikovs and 2 million defenceless man women and children without weapons.
Wow just wow,you are unreal.
And then you wonder why Israel has so many enemies?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

IDF took all Gaza towns with total population of over 2 million losing 400 soldiers:

IDF in center of Gaza city:
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IDF in center of Khan Yunes:
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IDF in center of Rafah:
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IDF in center of Jabalia:
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For comparison Russia lost 22,000 soldiers in 70 k town of Bakhmut.


In the beginning of the war they fired long range rocket salvos at Tel Aviv 3 times a day. They fired hurderds of rockets at other towns. Now they fire couple mortar shells a week which fall in open field near the border or in Gaza itself.


Thats Gazan choice:

1) To be a free proud and prospering nation.
2) To be poor slaves of Iranian mullas.

If trey chose #2 - its their problem.

No more games like before 7 oct.

If Russia was fighting against children with rocks it would've lost less than 400.

 

[Huelague]

Who stand behind Israel and Ukraine?

 

[begturan]

I'm not a Hamas cheerleader, but this is not the true statement of military prowess imo. Kurds (PKK) tried the 'assymmetric urban defense' bullshit in a couple of towns back in 2015. Turkish military/police retook the towns after somehow comperable fighting conditions. We pride ourselves in not carpet bombing the towns, which caused maybe 3-5 times more casualities for our servicemen. We also rebuilt the same towns for free, with astonishing speed. Just search for Sur or Cizre before and after photos. I don't think Israel conducted itself with the same underlying good intention towards civilians. And this is the true problem for Israeli PR. If a person is moderately neutral, the bullshit is easy to see through. The ratio of civilian/combatant casualities are horrendous.

That being said, I'm truly disinterested towards the moral aspect of this war. Just wanted to point things out.

To understand the logic of the Israelis, you need to read their book of hadith, which they call the Talmud. According to them, killing civilians, raping women and children, humiliating people is a success and they can be very happy with it.

They think that we cannot understand them, yes I think they are right, we really cannot understand them, in order to understand I have to first dehumanize myself.

 

[500]

Are you really comparing Ukraine to Gaza?
Two standing armies in Ukraine.
Israeli Armed Forces against a couple of Kalashnikovs and 2 million defenceless man women and children without weapons.
Wow just wow,you are unreal.
And then you wonder why Israel has so many enemies?

* Hamas had 40,000 K force - 4 divisions.
* They have very large quantity of 105-mm tandem RPGs and 12.7 mm sniper rifles, perfectly suited for urban warfare, much better than vaunted NLAW which are unreliable complicated junk that does not even work at close ranges.
* Typical Ukrainian soldier is a poor villager who was drafted by force and passed several months of training.. Typical Hamas fighter is professional fanatic who passed training since his childhood.
* Bakhmut was not prepared for assault at all, in Gaza they dig hundreds kms of tunnels preparing for the assault for 20 years.
* Ukrainians evacuated all their civilians. Hamas prevented evacuation of civilians.
* Ukrainians fought in uniforms, Hamas always fights in civilian clothing.
* Ukrainians needed constant supplies, these supply lines were extremely vulnerable to Russian attacks. Hamas gets supplies from UNRWA through Israel.

Yet Russia lost 22,000 KIA in Balhmut which is size of one block in Gaza city.

 

[Ravager]

* Hamas had 40,000 K force - 4 divisions.
* They have very large quantity of 105-mm tandem RPGs and 12.7 mm sniper rifles, perfectly suited for urban warfare, much better than vaunted NLAW which are unreliable complicated junk that does not even work at close ranges.
* Typical Ukrainian soldier is a poor villager who was drafted by force and passed several months of training.. Typical Hamas fighter is professional fanatic who passed training since his childhood.
* Bakhmut was not prepared for assault at all, in Gaza they dig hundreds kms of tunnels preparing for the assault for 20 years.
* Ukrainians evacuated all their civilians. Hamas prevented evacuation of civilians.
* Ukrainians fought in uniforms, Hamas always fights in civilian clothing.
* Ukrainians needed constant supplies, these supply lines were extremely vulnerable to Russian attacks. Hamas gets supplies from UNRWA through Israel.

Yet Russia lost 22,000 KIA in Balhmut which is size of one block in Gaza city.

Dude .... Are you seriously comparing a militia forces ( they not even have a working howitzer... ) with a legit nation's standing army backed wholly with the economical and military might of western power .... ??

 

[500]

I'm not a Hamas cheerleader, but this is not the true statement of military prowess imo. Kurds (PKK) tried the 'assymmetric urban defense' bullshit in a couple of towns back in 2015. Turkish military/police retook the towns after somehow comperable fighting conditions. We pride ourselves in not carpet bombing the towns, which caused maybe 3-5 times more casualities for our servicemen. We also rebuilt the same towns for free, with astonishing speed. Just search for Sur or Cizre before and after photos. I don't think Israel conducted itself with the same underlying good intention towards civilians. And this is the true problem for Israeli PR. If a person is moderately neutral, the bullshit is easy to see through. The ratio of civilian/combatant casualities are horrendous.

That being said, I'm truly disinterested towards the moral aspect of this war. Just wanted to point things out.

You seriously compare storming a tiny town with Turkish citizens and 2 million Gaza with 40,000 professional Hamas army with hundreds kms of tunnels? Its like Israel storming some Israeli Arab town. I cant even imagine it.

The closes analogue would be Deffensive Shield operation in 2002, when Israel took all Palestinian towns in West Bank (total population 2.5 mln) with minimum resistance. Only in Jenin there was some serious fighting. They cried that Israel massacred 800 civilians. But later investigation showed 52 killed mostly fighters.

In Gaza we allowed Hamas to grow for 20 years.

 

[500]

Dude .... Are you seriously comparing a militia forces ( they not even have a working howitzer... ) with a legit nation's standing army backed wholly with the economical and military might of western power .... ??

They dont need howitzers they will be easily taken out from the air in a minute. For example Hezbollah could get any tank and howitzer from Assad arsenal, but never did it. They knew Israel will destroy all in minutes.

Average Hamas fighter is a professional, trained from childhood.
Average Ukrainian fighter is drafted peasant with several months of training.
Deal with it.

And RPG-7VL is much better suited from urban warfare than NLAW.

 

[Scott Summers]

An assasination on Donald Trump:

We have already got an assassination attempt on him, the bullet missed his head just 1 centimetre a few months ago.

Who said they wont try it again?