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[500]

 

[500]

Saar 4.5 - Hetz class:

Currently Phalanx are removed and Elta ELM 2208 air/surface seasch radar replaced by ELM 2258 AESA Alpha radar:

 

[500]

Unknown device installed instead of Phalanx. According to warning sight it's some kind of laser.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454191445477412865

 

[500]

Finally a good pic of Saar-6 corvette with weapons and radars.

Gabriel 5 anti ship missiles are still missing though.

 

[Saithan]

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Finally a good pic of Saar-6 corvette with weapons and radars.

Gabriel 5 anti ship missiles are still missing though.

I was actually thinking that that space could be used for loitering munition. Or capapult launched uav of sorts.

 

[TR_123456]

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Finally a good pic of Saar-6 corvette with weapons and radars.

Gabriel 5 anti ship missiles are still missing though.

Shouldnt it be classified as Frigate?

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Shouldnt it be classified as Frigate?

The displacement while fully armed is around 1900 tons, therefore classified as a corvette. Maybe you were referring more to any specific radars, or armament?

 

[TR_123456]

The displacement while fully armed is around 1900 tons, therefore classified as a corvette. Maybe you were referring more to any specific radars, or armament?

Armament,the Iranians name it a Destroyer.

 

[Ecderha]

Shouldnt it be classified as Frigate?

If you do not know all countries use the same lying approach -> show you military platform to the world as it is low class or with decreased specs or classify the platform as low thread .......etc.
Make everything necessary to misguide, lie, talk (do not speak), twist all info about you military platform.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Armament,the Iranians name it a Destroyer.

Perhaps it could be a light frigate if we exclude displacement. It will have 16 vls Barak 8, as well as 16 Gabriel anti-ship missiles. It has almost the same armament as the Turkish I-class.

 

[Ecderha]

The displacement while fully armed is around 1900 tons, therefore classified as a corvette. Maybe you were referring more to any specific radars, or armament?

in last 2 decades all Military ships which were produced show it that technology evolution make -> displacement tons classification pointless.
Nobody from experts care about this definition. I repeat that i am talking about military boats.

Conclusion is any country can register own boat as what ever Class they like. The main thing remain -> misguide -> cover what ever is possible.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

in last 2 decades all Military ships which were produced show it that technology evolution make -> displacement tons classification pointless.
Nobody from experts care about this definition. I repeat that i am talking about military boats.

Conclusion is any country can register own boat as what ever Class they like. The main thing remain -> misguide -> cover what ever is possible.

I'm not an expert in this field, however when I think about the different terms then I think about armament/Electronics. Frigates are bigger in length, and displacement so they can fit better electronic/radars and armament than a corvette. You have a good point when you mention the "Technology evolution".

 

[500]

Shouldnt it be classified as Frigate?

Its displacement is less than 2000 t so its a corvette, in terms of armament it could pass for a destroyer though.

 

[Nilgiri]

More than tonnage, it is endurance that navies tend to prefer to use when delineating between corvette--->frigate---->destroyer.

Ref: https://defencehub.live/threads/out...e-50-ship-fleet-vision.1942/page-2#post-15925

This is why you can get some overlap as you have ships that pack tonnage with more weapons/sensors/armour rather than fuel capacity.

So a 3000 ton ship with lot of the former over the later can still be a corvette to that navy (as this is what determines its operational reach say at peak wartime when all fuel ships have to be stretched and prioritised).

Whereas another 3000 ton ship can be a frigate as it forgoes the former for more fuel to stay out at sea longer and endure in its mission longer (without support or return to base etc).

A similar thing happens between frigates and destroyers. Some very heavy frigates are out there these days (heavier than many destroyers in other navies), but they are frigates to that navy given the role/endurance profile they occupy in the force structure.

 

[Ripley]

For such such a small ship it certainly packs a heavy punch.
I think this class definitely deserves the unofficial classification of “pocket“ frigate.

 

[Soldier30]

Israel's BlueWhale unmanned submarine. The state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries showed the Blue Whale unmanned submarine under development. The autonomous underwater vehicle uses sonar and electro-optical systems to detect targets. According to the developer, the unmanned submarine has already completed thousands of hours of autonomous operations. The ELI-3325 boat is equipped with a towed array sonar. The submersible can conduct acoustic passive intelligence gathering, covert mine detection, and other mine protection operations. Blue Whale can detect and track targets underwater and on the surface. The boat communicates in real time via a dedicated secure satellite channel through a retractable mast. Autonomous submarine Blue Whale can stay at sea for up to 30 days, the battery charge is enough for 10 days of active work. Boat speed from 2 to 7 knots in submerged position. The underwater drone is 10.9 meters long and 1.12 meters in diameter. Weight 5.5 tons.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

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Finally a good pic of Saar-6 corvette with weapons and radars.

Gabriel 5 anti ship missiles are still missing though.

Thoughts about the saar corvette? Why do they have so many systems on a small Corvette? For us noobies, we always think about the quantity of VLS, anti-ship missiles etc.. However, why could for example the I-Class frigate not have 32 VLS instead of 16? Or let me rephrase my question, what would I-class have to sacrifice in order to have more VLS onboard?

@Anmdt @Nilgiri

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668514049657835521

Specifications of the new Sa’ar 6

- 16 Barak-MX launchers in the front
- 2 quadruple launchers for LAHAT missiles to deal with suicide bombers
- 2 quadruple launchers for BlueSpear anti-ship missiles
- 2 launchers for LORA ballistic missiles
- 16 Barak-MX launchers in the middle of the ship
- 12 A bomber carrying a suicide march Mini-Harpy
- 2 torpedo launchers for the MK54 Light Torpedo

 

[Afif]

Thoughts about the saar corvette? Why do they have so many systems on a small Corvette? For us noobies, we always think about the quantity of VLS, anti-ship missiles etc.. However, why could for example the I-Class frigate not have 32 VLS instead of 16? Or let me rephrase my question, what would I-class have to sacrifice in order to have more VLS onboard?

@Anmdt @Nilgiri

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668514049657835521

Specifications of the new Sa’ar 6

- 16 Barak-MX launchers in the front
- 2 quadruple launchers for LAHAT missiles to deal with suicide bombers
- 2 quadruple launchers for BlueSpear anti-ship missiles
- 2 launchers for LORA ballistic missiles
- 16 Barak-MX launchers in the middle of the ship
- 12 A bomber carrying a suicide march Mini-Harpy
- 2 torpedo launchers for the MK54 Light Torpedo

Here is a practical design from ASFAT for export. (with 32x VLS and 16 AShM)

Let's see if we can get @Anmdt to talk about this.

 

[Nilgiri]

Thoughts about the saar corvette? Why do they have so many systems on a small Corvette? For us noobies, we always think about the quantity of VLS, anti-ship missiles etc.. However, why could for example the I-Class frigate not have 32 VLS instead of 16? Or let me rephrase my question, what would I-class have to sacrifice in order to have more VLS onboard?

@Anmdt @Nilgiri

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668514049657835521

Specifications of the new Sa’ar 6

- 16 Barak-MX launchers in the front
- 2 quadruple launchers for LAHAT missiles to deal with suicide bombers
- 2 quadruple launchers for BlueSpear anti-ship missiles
- 2 launchers for LORA ballistic missiles
- 16 Barak-MX launchers in the middle of the ship
- 12 A bomber carrying a suicide march Mini-Harpy
- 2 torpedo launchers for the MK54 Light Torpedo

Its all about designing to profile of likeliest enemy/enemies you could face.

Tonnage prioritization boils down to endurance/propulsion vs armor/survivability vs weapons/sensoring

So a corvette (defined relative to frigate, destroyer etc in the end on endurance role specific to each navy doctrine like I described a few posts above) might have:

A) Tonnage by prioritizing say packing weapons/sensoring over endurance (and thus overlaps with say frigate in tonnage terms in case of say Karmorta class). Since those frigates in other navies prioritize the tonnage more for their endurance roles.

B) A more extreme form of this within each category where you entirely go for weapons/sensoring as dominant design driver and endurance and survivability are minimal concerns compared to it.

It doesnt make whole lot of sense for say Israel to project naval power past say eastern mediterranean....and if you pack a corvette chokeful of weapons and sensors, you mitigate lower armour availability by simply being a lot smaller target to begin with and also going fully all in in detecting and shooting at the enemy first anyway etc....in relatively proximate combat spaces to where the navies warships bases are in first place.

But it would make much more sense for Turkiye to have frigates and destroyers with longer endurance (and less weapons "intensity" per DWT) simply by virtue of Turkish geography, opponent portfolio and so on (compared to say Israel)....that the ship needs to prioritize reaching and operating within a further away combat space in general (the worst case scenario being no fueller or replenish support) and maybe have the armour and underwater inner protection sturdiness etc to survive (and be able to dispense and operate a mission or recover itself to some capacity) what is expected at every level of say AAD breaching.