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UN Resolutions on Kashmir are not history–We have a case without them as well​









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Dr Syed Nazir Gilani

Even today after 73 years, people of Jammu and Kashmir, their leaderships, various disciplines in charge in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan and the people who remained in power in Azad Kashmir and in Pakistan are not clear about the constituent nature of the Kashmir Case. The interpretation is based either on an ignorance or on an instinct to play to the Indian gallery.

India has continued to keep the course until it decided to change her horses and occupied part of Kashmir on 5 August 2019. India floated the ideas thatthe case has been considered under Chapter VI of the Charter and bloated the egos of our leaders and writers to propose an out of box solution. Some made a gross error of calling UN Resolutions as history.

India succeeded to force Pakistan off the UN mechanism on Kashmir for 32 years from 1251st session of UN Security Council held on 5 November 1965 till 15 September 1996. It was on 22 August 1996 that Kashmir was hit by rule 11 of rules of procedure of the Security Council (S/1996/603).

India forced Pakistan to disturb Kashmir as a core issue and make it an include into 8 other items outstanding with India.It became an issue out of many other issues in 1997. On the contrary India had conceded at the 230th meeting of the UN Security Council held on 20 January 1948 that Kashmir was a core issue. Indian representative Mr. Gopalaswami Ayyangar said “We hope to be able to convince the Security Council that once we have dealt with· the Kashmir question, there will probably not be anything of substance which will divide India and Pakistan to the extent of endangering international peace and security”.

Government of Azad Kashmir in its constitution Act 1974 and the Hurriyat Conference in Indian occupied Kashmir in its constitution adopted on 31 July 1993, inscribe their faith in UN Resolutions on Kashmir. Pakistan has tied itself to these two documents and to article 257 of the Constitution of Pakistan. Unfortunately we dithered in prosecuting the jurisprudence of UN Resolutions on Kashmir.


Dr. Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai Secretary General of World Kashmir Awareness Forum has said “These are not resolutions in the routine sense of the term. Their provisions were negotiated in detail by the UN Commission with India and Pakistan and it was only after the consent of both Governments was explicitly obtained that they were endorsed by the Security Council. They thus constitute a binding and solemn international agreement about the settlement of the Kashmir dispute.” Dr. Fai’s view corresponds with the position taken by Britain at the UN Security Council. UK representative Sir Gladwyn Jebb said at the 606th meeting of the UN Security Council held on 6 November 1952 that, “The ultimate objective of a fair and impartial plebiscite under the auspices of the United Nations ….has been written into solemn agreements by the two Governments and endorsed by this Security Council. These agreements have been affirmed and reaffirmed by the two governments many times.”

The schools of opinion that misinterpret Chapter VI and volunteer to call UN SC Resolutions as history are the self-styled experts on Kashmir and even some Think Tanks based in Islamabad have been duped by their counterpart Think Tanks in Delhi, to spell wrong on Kashmir and start a harmful stutter.India has used this stutter to her advantage.

Kashmiri leadership spoke at the UN SC in February 1948 and came into contact with UNCIP in September 1948. Otherwise, Kashmir has remained a free for all and with no holds barred gainful interest. We are seeing individuals from Diaspora accredited as leaders by Islamabad and discussing Kashmir in the Azad Kashmir newspapers. These people are taxi drivers or from an unemployed lot who have never held a position of service all their life in Britain. They could be called good escorts and smart operators of group political tourism.

During the period from 1990 to date non-Kashmiris have also floated interested groups on Kashmir and these groups have continued to enjoy the hospitality of Indian Government and in some cases hospitality of the Government of Pakistan as well. If Islamabad and Muzaffarabad continue with this make believe jig even after 5 August 2019, it is a recipe for disaster.

The school of opinion that has been calling UN Resolutions on Kashmir a history and intentionally or unintentionally have played to the Indian gallery need to know that, they are wrong. Whether we had UN Resolutions or not we have the following jurisprudence of the case:

Prime Minister of India Jawaharlal Nehru has assured the British Prime Minister on 26 October 1947, before despatching Indian army to the State on 27 October 1947, that, “I should like to make it clear that the question of aiding Kashmir in this emergency is not designed in any way to influence the State to accede to India. Our view which we have repeatedly made public is that the question of accession in any disputed territory or State must be decided in accordance with wishes of people and we adhere to this view. It is quite clear, however, that no free expression of will of people of Kashmir is possible if external aggression succeeds in imperilling integrity of its territory”.



On 27 October 1947, Governor General of India Lord Mountbatten has assured the Government of Jammu and Kashmir that, “…the question of accession should be decided in accordance with the wishes of the people of State, it is my Government’s wish that as soon as law and order have been restored in Kashmir and her soil cleared of the invader the question of the State’s accession should be settled by a reference to the people”.



On 31 October 1947 Prime Minister of India in his telegram to Prime Minister of Pakistan has assured that, “Our assurance that we shall withdraw our troops from Kashmir as soon as peace and order are restored and leave the decision regarding the future of this State to the people of the State is not merely a pledge to your Government but also to the people of Kashmir and to the world”. (Para 6 of the telegram dated 31 October 1947).



The representative of India has laid down his case at the 227th meeting of the UN Security Council and has made three prayers that, “The question of the future status of Kashmir vis-a-vis her neighbours and the world at large, and a further question, namely, whether she should withdraw from her accession to India, and either accede to Pakistan or remain independent, with a right to claim admission as a Member of the United Nations- all this we have recognized to be a matter for unfettered decision by the people of Kashmir, after normal life is restored to them.” This submission made by India was reiterated by China at the 765th meeting of the Security Council held on 24 January 1957.

The people of Jammu and Kashmir have a strong case of self-determination, even if there would have been no UN Security Council Resolutions. Britain had offered a reference to International Court of Justice on 22 November 1947, months before India made a reference to UN Security Council. It is our duty to understand our case and prosecute its jurisprudence and merit accordingly. We are still walking off the track and unfortunately our attempts to engage our people into make believe optics are of no consequence.

We have accrued a criminal liability for introducing a rag a tag militancy (which surrendered) and a political alliance which abandoned its constitution and allowed Government of India, a lease of life, denied to her all along for 42 years from 1948 to 1990. The militants and the politicians changed their horses mid-stream and majority of them have turned into successful businessmen in India and in Pakistan. Some have found Kashmir as a ‘gainful’ item and are engaged in political tourism in the name of Kashmir.



The author is President of London based Jammu and Kashmir Council for Human Rights – NGO in Special Consultative Status with the United Nations.

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Kashmiris may choose Pakistan or independence: PM Imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday said Pakistan will allow Kashmiris to decide between choosing to join Pakistan or remaining independent even after they vote in favour of Pakistan in a future plebiscite.

Addressing a public gathering in Kotli district of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) on Kashmir Solidarity Day, which is being observed across the country today, the premier also reminded the United Nations and the international community that they had failed to provide the promised right to the people of Kashmir to determine their own future.

He recalled that the world had promised Kashmiris in 1948 that they would get the right to decide their own future as per UN Security Council resolutions.

"So I've come here to firstly remind the world that the right [promised] to the people of Kashmir was not fulfilled," he told the crowd.
In contrast, the prime minister noted, East Timor, which was an Indonesian island with a Christian majority, became independent after the UNSC pursued a referendum there.

Read: Widening the Kashmir debate

The premier said he had in the past reminded and will always remind the UN that "you did not fulfil the promise [made to Kashmiris]."

Addressing the people of Kashmir, the prime minister said: "When the residents of Indian-occupied Kashmir as well as Azad Kashmir get the right to decide their future, and when the people of Kashmir will choose Pakistan InshAllah, then Pakistan will give Kashmiris the right to decide whether they want to become a part of Pakistan or remain independent."

Imran said the entire Pakistan was standing with the people of occupied Kashmir. "And not just all of Pakistan, but the Muslim world is standing with you," he told them.

"If Muslim governments, for any reason, are not supporting you today, I can assure you the entire population of the Muslim world is standing with the people of occupied Kashmir," he said, adding that even non-Muslims who favoured justice believed that Kashmiris should be given their promised right.

Prime Minister Imran said the people of Pakistan understood the ordeals the residents of occupied Kashmir had gone through and continued to suffer.

"I as a father want to say to you that we all know what you go through, the kind of pain you face, the kind of tyrant you are confronting," he told Kashmiri parents.

"Whatever strength I have, I will raise your voice at every forum. I have been doing it and will keep raising it. [...] Rest assured that I will be the ambassador of Kashmir and will raise my voice for you everywhere until Kashmir gains independence."

The prime minister said upon assuming office he had tried his best to send a message of friendship to India and make it understand that the Kashmir issue could not be resolved through "oppression".

"World history shows that no powerful army of the world can win against a [united] population; when an entire nation stands up, the biggest armies failed," he said, citing the examples of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Algeria.

"India may bring 900,000 army [troops] or even more, but the people of Kashmir will never accept your slavery," he added.

Referring to India's revocation of occupied Kashmir's semi-autonomous status, he said the "few people" in Kashmir who supported India now favoured independence too due to the oppression and injustice it began perpetrating after August 5, 2019.

"Any politician in Kashmir who is pro-India cannot win an election in Kashmir," the premier emphasised.

'Ready for talks with India for Kashmir'​

Prime Minister Imran said he couldn't initially understand why Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not move forward on his offer for dialogue. But he said following the Pulwama attack, and after Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace and "martyred our trees in Balakot", he understood that "they don't want peace or friendship, but they were using Pulwama and Balakot to win elections."

Moreover, firebrand Indian television anchor Arnab Goswami's transcripts showed that the attack was pre-planned in order to win elections, Imran said, adding that the EU DisinfoLab report had further revealed that India was using hundreds of fake sites and accounts to spread propaganda against Pakistan.

"So we were doing friendship and you were cutting our roots but today what is coming in front of everyone? The agenda of RSS and their ideology," he said, addressing the Indian leadership.




The premier said the RSS ideology had hurt India itself the most and it was the reason the country was so divided.

"Today India's farmers are out protesting [and] the conditions of Muslims are in front of everyone," he added, citing the citizenship law introduced by India deemed discriminatory towards Muslims.

"So Modi, my biggest message for you is that the divisions you're doing in India, this Hindutva ideology may win you elections but you are laying the foundation for India's destruction," the prime minister told his Indian counterpart.

"Today I again say, solve the Kashmir issue together with us and for that, firstly the step you took on August 5 to revoke Article 370, you should restore it, and then talk to us, and give Kashmiris the right which the world community promised them according to UN resolutions.

"We are ready to talk with you again but [...] never take this to understand that we want to have friendly ties with you in a state of weakness."

On the occasion, the prime minister told people living near the Line of Control who face bombardment by Indian troops that the government will "fully help you". He said the government had prepared a package for such populations, including people who had to relocate due to frequent firing.

Addressing the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) leaders holding a simultaneous rally in AJK, Imran said: "All those gathered in Muzaffarabad today, listen, if you want to do a long march then definitely do it, I will help you in doing it wherever you want to do it. But even if you hang upside down I will not give you NRO."

 

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OIC’s unified message to India critical for Kashmir issue: FM

ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Saturday said that a unified political message to India from the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) would be critical to help rescind Indian unilateral actions, end human rights abuses and seek peaceful settlement of Kashmir dispute.

The foreign minister, in a video message at the ambassadorial meeting of the OIC Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir held in New York, said the steadfast and resolute support of the OIC was a source of great strength to the Kashmiri people in their just and legitimate struggle for their inalienable right to self-determination.

The OIC should forcefully demand India to rescind its illegal and unilateral actions in occupied Kashmir; halt its egregious human rights violations, and provide access to human rights organisations, including the UN fact finding mission and OIC Independent Permanent Human Rights Commission, he said.

The foreign minister also sought the OIC’s role to seek a peaceful settlement of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute in accordance with the United Nations Security Council’s resolutions and wishes of the Kashmiri people. He hoped that the Contact Group meeting would help identify action-oriented and practical steps to this end.
He said during its 47th session in Niamey last November, the OIC Council of Foreign Ministers (CFM) mandated the Contact Group on Jammu and Kashmir to meet regularly and to continue highlighting the Kashmir issue.

It was gratifying that the New York Chapter of the Contact Group is playing a prominent role in this collective effort, he said and lauded Azerbaijan, Niger, Saudi Arabia and Turkey for solidarity with the oppressed people of Jammu and Kashmir.

The OIC secretary general leadership had been equally instrumental, he added.

Published in Dawn, February 7th, 2021''

 

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Kashmiris may choose Pakistan or independence: PM Imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday said Pakistan will allow Kashmiris to decide between choosing to join Pakistan or remaining independent even after they vote in favour of Pakistan in a future plebiscite.

Addressing a public gathering in Kotli district of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) on Kashmir Solidarity Day, which is being observed across the country today, the premier also reminded the United Nations and the international community that they had failed to provide the promised right to the people of Kashmir to determine their own future.

He recalled that the world had promised Kashmiris in 1948 that they would get the right to decide their own future as per UN Security Council resolutions.

"So I've come here to firstly remind the world that the right [promised] to the people of Kashmir was not fulfilled," he told the crowd.
In contrast, the prime minister noted, East Timor, which was an Indonesian island with a Christian majority, became independent after the UNSC pursued a referendum there.

Read: Widening the Kashmir debate

The premier said he had in the past reminded and will always remind the UN that "you did not fulfil the promise [made to Kashmiris]."

Addressing the people of Kashmir, the prime minister said: "When the residents of Indian-occupied Kashmir as well as Azad Kashmir get the right to decide their future, and when the people of Kashmir will choose Pakistan InshAllah, then Pakistan will give Kashmiris the right to decide whether they want to become a part of Pakistan or remain independent."

Imran said the entire Pakistan was standing with the people of occupied Kashmir. "And not just all of Pakistan, but the Muslim world is standing with you," he told them.

"If Muslim governments, for any reason, are not supporting you today, I can assure you the entire population of the Muslim world is standing with the people of occupied Kashmir," he said, adding that even non-Muslims who favoured justice believed that Kashmiris should be given their promised right.

Prime Minister Imran said the people of Pakistan understood the ordeals the residents of occupied Kashmir had gone through and continued to suffer.

"I as a father want to say to you that we all know what you go through, the kind of pain you face, the kind of tyrant you are confronting," he told Kashmiri parents.

"Whatever strength I have, I will raise your voice at every forum. I have been doing it and will keep raising it. [...] Rest assured that I will be the ambassador of Kashmir and will raise my voice for you everywhere until Kashmir gains independence."

The prime minister said upon assuming office he had tried his best to send a message of friendship to India and make it understand that the Kashmir issue could not be resolved through "oppression".

"World history shows that no powerful army of the world can win against a [united] population; when an entire nation stands up, the biggest armies failed," he said, citing the examples of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Algeria.

"India may bring 900,000 army [troops] or even more, but the people of Kashmir will never accept your slavery," he added.

Referring to India's revocation of occupied Kashmir's semi-autonomous status, he said the "few people" in Kashmir who supported India now favoured independence too due to the oppression and injustice it began perpetrating after August 5, 2019.

"Any politician in Kashmir who is pro-India cannot win an election in Kashmir," the premier emphasised.

'Ready for talks with India for Kashmir'​

Prime Minister Imran said he couldn't initially understand why Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not move forward on his offer for dialogue. But he said following the Pulwama attack, and after Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace and "martyred our trees in Balakot", he understood that "they don't want peace or friendship, but they were using Pulwama and Balakot to win elections."

Moreover, firebrand Indian television anchor Arnab Goswami's transcripts showed that the attack was pre-planned in order to win elections, Imran said, adding that the EU DisinfoLab report had further revealed that India was using hundreds of fake sites and accounts to spread propaganda against Pakistan.

"So we were doing friendship and you were cutting our roots but today what is coming in front of everyone? The agenda of RSS and their ideology," he said, addressing the Indian leadership.




The premier said the RSS ideology had hurt India itself the most and it was the reason the country was so divided.

"Today India's farmers are out protesting [and] the conditions of Muslims are in front of everyone," he added, citing the citizenship law introduced by India deemed discriminatory towards Muslims.

"So Modi, my biggest message for you is that the divisions you're doing in India, this Hindutva ideology may win you elections but you are laying the foundation for India's destruction," the prime minister told his Indian counterpart.

"Today I again say, solve the Kashmir issue together with us and for that, firstly the step you took on August 5 to revoke Article 370, you should restore it, and then talk to us, and give Kashmiris the right which the world community promised them according to UN resolutions.

"We are ready to talk with you again but [...] never take this to understand that we want to have friendly ties with you in a state of weakness."

On the occasion, the prime minister told people living near the Line of Control who face bombardment by Indian troops that the government will "fully help you". He said the government had prepared a package for such populations, including people who had to relocate due to frequent firing.

Addressing the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) leaders holding a simultaneous rally in AJK, Imran said: "All those gathered in Muzaffarabad today, listen, if you want to do a long march then definitely do it, I will help you in doing it wherever you want to do it. But even if you hang upside down I will not give you NRO."

India's stance is very clear - talks only after terror ends and that too only about PoK. IK is playing to the galleries for his gullible population - because there is nothing else to talk.
 

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‘Delhi won’t be allowed to mislead world on Kashmir situation’

The Newspaper's CorrespondentPublished February 18, 2021

SWABI: Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir Shehryar Khan Afridi on Wednesday said that Kashmiris had so far braved Indian forces’ atrocities by taking to the streets despite lockdowns to stifle dissent, and won’t allow New Delhi to mislead the world that the situation in the occupied valley was not grave.

He expressed these views while addressing a seminar to express solidarity with the Kashmiri people at the Women University Swabi here.
Senator Waleed Iqbal, columnist Mazhar Barlas and Vice-Chancellor Shaheena Urooj Kazmi also spoke on the occasion.

Mr Afridi said the Indian government had arranged a stage-managed visit of European diplomats to the occupied territory, but such steps could not mislead the world opinion on the Kashmir dispute.

Shehryar Afridi urged the young Kashmiris and Pakistanis to rise to the occasion and expose the Indian evil designs to cover up its atrocities being committed against unarmed people.

He said prisoners of conscience, mass graves, half-widows and pallet guns were the tools being used by the Modi regime to silence Kashmiri people. He said that Indian occupational regime in Kashmir was involved in demographic terrorism against the people.

The federal state minister said social media platforms were curbing all such posts that exposed Indian atrocities in Kashmir. He said on one hand the international community was talking about equality, freedom of expression and rising beyond race and colour, but on the other, it was silent on the grave human rights violations being committed by the Indian forces.

He said that the Kashmir Committee had been working on forming advisory boards covering all the aspects of the life of the people of Kashmir.

Speaking on the occasion, Senator Waleed Iqbal said Pakistan would use its nuclear weapons against India if needed. He said poet Allama Iqbal wrote poems depicting miseries of people of Kashmir and those miseries were still going on as a result of Indian oppression.

Dr Shahana Urooj Kazmi said the United Nations needed to be questioned on its failure to implement dozens of resolutions passed on the Kashmir issue. She said that India had to be stopped from its plans to make demographic changes in the occupied valley.

PROTEST: People belonging to different areas of Gadoon Amazai on Wednesday staged a protest demonstration against the death of a teenager in a private hospital due to alleged negligence of the staff.

Inamullah Khan, 12, was brought to hospital for a surgery under the Sehat Card scheme. However, he died due to what the attendants said overdose of anesthesia.

The protesters reached the Topi Bazaar and staged a demonstration there, demanding action taken against those responsible. Later, they dispersed peacefully.

 

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Imran Khan’s Pakistan wants to call. But Modi’s status is, ‘Can’t talk, WhatsApp only’​

There will never be an end to Pakistan’s Kashmir policy. Even if it means the only talks it can hold is with itself.​

NAILA INAYAT 11 February, 2021 10:06 am IST

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Kashmir Day might have passed, but Valentine’s Day is just around the corner. Which flower should you give to an estranged neighbor who refuses to talk? But nothing says “I want to talk” like missed calls. There’s apparently been plenty of those missed calls from Prime Minister Imran Khan but the answer from Narendra Modi has remained “Can’t talk, WhatsApp only”.
How does one change that?
Like the issue of Kashmir persisting all our and our ancestors’ lifetime, we did hope that India-Pakistan talks would also continue. Plot twist: It didn’t. Since 2008, there has been no bilateral dialogue between the two countries. And after the 2015 Modi and Nawaz Sharif surprise meeting in Lahore, Pakistan leaders haven’t met at all. Even the media hype over “who first smiled and waved at whom” at international summits has withered away.
So, where are we now?
Even if love isn’t in the air, at least peace is. Or at least the good-old-days’ talk about peace and tranquillity is. Who better to signal peace but the army chief of Pakistan? “It is time to extend hand of peace in all directions,” Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa said recently. One hand extending peace, the other holding his own plate of omelette — what else can one hope for? Or given the past experiences of talks, does India think that extending a hand would mean hath kar jana?

‘Yaar’ or not?

Then there is the curious case of PM Khan who still hasn’t recovered from Modi snubbing him. “I couldn’t understand why Modi didn’t want to talk,” he perhaps thinks. But Khan understands that he wants to talk to Modi on Kashmir, the same Modi he wanted to see re-elected and solving the issue of Kashmir. So, in one speech you go on to compare the Modi government with ‘Nazis’, while in the next, you want Modi to be your ‘yaar’. How does that work? Nonstop rhetoric will win you hashtags, but that doesn’t take forward the bilateral discourse.

Then there is the dilemma of foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi. One day, he tells us Pakistan won’t talk to India till it rolls back the scrapping of Article 370. The next day, he asks why India fears talking to Pakistan? Consider this the modern version of Allama Iqbal’s “shikwa, jawab-e-shikwa (complaint, response to the complaint)”. Only making it more potent with Qureshi’s theatrics. Unlucky, Iqbal isn’t around to witness it. Lucky us, or not.
There was also special assistant to Imran Khan on national security division and strategic policy planning, Moeed Yusuf, who was the first to break the news that India desires to start talks with Pakistan. Yusuf seemed to imply that India was dying to talk to Pakistan, only that India was oblivious of its desires, as we later found out. “Pakistan will take two steps if India takes one,” he now tells us. All hangs in balance over the “if”.

A continuing K-drama

What now? Pakistan is ready to talk to India, but no one is asking India what it wants, or if it even cares.
Pakistan’s hope of going back to the golden era of talks, confidence-building measures, people-to-people contact, thora-bohot Kashmir chooran, then a major act of terrorism (Mumbai 2008, Pathankot 2016) and then a reset again, has unfortunately passed. The new reality, as much as Pakistan doesn’t want to see it, is that those days are over and Kashmir talks is hardly even a chooran that sells anymore. Especially with the incompetent government of Imran Khan, with whom even political rivals at home don’t want to talk.
We are told that a strategy is needed to foil Delhi’s Kashmir plan. So, even after two years we still don’t have a strategy? For now, Pakistan President Arif Alvi can continue to lead Kashmir Day solidarity walks alongside Azad Jammu and Kashmir PM Raja Farooq Haider, against whom the Pakistan government had recently registered a sedition case. That’s some sight for sore eyes.


Also read: Narendra Modi is ghosting Imran Khan. Letters, calls, messages go unanswered

The seriousness of this hybrid regime is on full display, just look at the prime minister’s speech on Kashmir Day last week. He said that Kashmiris will be given an option to become independent. And the foreign office rushed to give out a late-night statement that there is no change in Pakistan’s Kashmir policy. But what Khan was offering is written in the constitution of Pakistan, and is nothing new.
The constitution says that after the plebiscite, if Kashmir chooses Pakistan, “the relationship between Pakistan and that State shall be determined in accordance with the wishes of the people of that State.” But the foreign office thought that anything coming out of PM’s mouth has to be fact-checked (I don’t blame them). It was as if no one at the foreign office was paying attention to the Pakistan Studies lectures in school. But then there are leaders who have taught us that the constitution is just a piece of paper that could be thrown in the dustbin.
Laughable that a country that has spent decades for a cause, doesn’t know what to do with it in the end. Or it is sure that there will never be any end to its ‘K policy’. Talks shall continue even if with oneself.

 

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So finally the Kashmir crys from PDF have reached this forum. @Nilgiri @Jackdaws @Zapper @T-123456

Was kind of wondering who will start it. I was expecting some pak pdf troll will start turned out Mr Walker from the 50 cent army lol.
 
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And look at the source he is quoting.
this tread is more of a diversionary tactic. Op knows eventually we'll be discussing Chinese casualties as it's the hot topic, so instead, he opened a Kashmir to relieve the pressure elsewhere. chini brains lol.
 

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