I guess you have forgotten that BMC entered the Tank Tender with Germans. When Erdogan drop the tender price to 3.5 billion euros, the Germans said they will not produce tank for free. And they were withdrawn from the tender. It is an imaginary assertion that the Germans do not trust BMC.but did we ever think the problem may stem from Germans not trusting BMC?
Tümosan pulled out an engine earlier than BMC, who is funded greatly, and FNSS is going to deliver a 6x6 (or 8x8 ) in future with more local systems than BMC would do.
In my opinion FNSS should do wheeled APC /IFV deliveries for the rest as well, BMC should only focus to the Tank (apart from their earlier business in 4x4).
We don't need another fiasco for wheeled armored vehicles as well.
At least they shouldn't showcase the otokar prototype , again and again with tapes and glues on it with mock up systems, they should actually make one .
The tank has been in their hands for years they haven't done much in progress as they claimed to "redesign" it , i am not yet talking about the engine issue since it would be defended by " Germans not selling the engine", but did we ever think the problem may stem from Germans not trusting BMC? (Note this has happened for TRMotor)
That is just an excuse, 2 years later we have heard there are some engines in the storage and low rate production would start with those engines, again nothing has come out of that after a year has passed.
It is obviously, they are still-despite of acquiring Tank-Palet, not capable of making a Tank.
$18mln per tank is not for free.I guess you have forgotten that BMC entered the Tank Tender with Germans. When Erdogan drop the tender price to 3.5 billion euros, the Germans said they will not produce tank for free. And they were withdrawn from the tender. It is an imaginary assertion that the Germans do not trust BMC.
In 2019, the ethem had announced the subject. We've given 4 billion final price. Erdogan's has down the price to 3.5 billion euros says. While the tender continued, Germany's embargo has not yet begun.$18mln per tank is not for free.
and Rheinmetall did not drop out because of the price, they did so because Germany did not allow. Why are you pretending the Germans left because of price, which is freakishly high
Please enlighten me then, why Fırtına II is being bought a lot more expensive after BMC has acquired the factory?In 2019, the ethem had announced the subject. We've given 4 billion final price. Erdogan's has down the price to 3.5 billion euros says. While the tender continued, Germany's embargo has not yet begun.
Is the price high? Koç group wanted 2 times the price for a tank. Euro 7 billion! 28 million euro per tank! Bullshit!
Even if you do the best tank of the Earth, you cannot ask for a tank 28 million euros. That cannot be the right of anyone. This is robbery!
Do you know the price of firtina 2 ?! .Please enlighten me then, why Fırtına II is being bought a lot more expensive after BMC has acquired the factory?
How come BMC is allowed to make profits from a system which they neither designed or collaborated to the construction? Tank Palet can naturally make them.
Wasn't it supposed to get cheaper if BMC has a magic to lower the prices?
Other questions:
And what will be actual price of Altay after taken into account all incentives and land and other privileges BMC has received, and in fact we also know BMC will be paid as much as it costs + the profit for the first few part in low initial production rate.
Will it actually pass onto a serial production phase, there is still no factory,not to be launched anytime soon in the scale to actually reduce the price per units as claimed by half.
Does it actually make sense that a product can be made for half the price, given that its most expensive parts are electronics, cannon, armor and engine which has a fixed price and made by other companies, without actually those parts are being serially produced thus their prices are reduced?
If BMC can make it cheaper as told, then why everything is being told to be" secret" and not being transparent.
Btw i know answer of the most, just asking to make people aware of a fairytale that BMC will make it for the half price.
Do you know the price of firtina 2 ?! .
Coming please , there are things we ordinary people should not know there are secrets .
We all know that they are working on utku engine . Real world is not minecraft . It takes time and money .
Lets say that all the bid go to other companies , can we still get domestic engines or engines from germany .
What do you want turkey to do i dont know how some peope think .
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At least, for another reasons shouldn't it be disclosed how much profit BMC earns per unit? What is so secret about it?
I'm still where I'm saying. Even not a single country in the world will pay 28 million euros for a tank. This is valid for BMC and Otokar. Moreover BMC will now produce only 250 tanks. However, İbrahim Sünnetçi said the unit price will be constantly fixed. So again a tender will not open again. And the BMC tank will produce even at this price even if the unit price is up. In short, when the new order arrives (which will come) they will still sell the tank at the present price. However, this was valid in the Otokar. The cost of 750 tanks with 28 million euros unit price makes 21 billion euros. And you are defending that. That's crazy!Please enlighten me then, why Fırtına II is being bought a lot more expensive after BMC has acquired the factory?
How come BMC is allowed to make profits from a system which they neither designed or collaborated to the construction? Tank Palet can naturally make them.
Wasn't it supposed to get cheaper if BMC has a magic to lower the prices?
Other questions:
And what will be actual price of Altay after taken into account all incentives and land and other privileges BMC has received, and in fact we also know BMC will be paid as much as it costs + the profit for the first few part in low initial production rate.
Will it actually pass onto a serial production phase, there is still no factory,not to be launched anytime soon in the scale to actually reduce the price per units as claimed by half.
Does it actually make sense that a product can be made for half the price, given that its most expensive parts are electronics, cannon, armor and engine which has a fixed price and made by other companies, without actually those parts are being serially produced thus their prices are reduced?
If BMC can make it cheaper as told, then why everything is being told to be" secret" and not being transparent.
Btw i know answer of the most, just asking to make people aware of a fairytale that BMC will make it for the half price.
Do you know the price of firtina 2 ?! .
Coming please , there are things we ordinary people should not know there are secrets .
We all know that they are working on utku engine . Real world is not minecraft . It takes time and money .
Lets say that all the bid go to other companies , can we still get domestic engines or engines from germany .
What do you want turkey to do i dont know how some peope think .
Oh smart calculus without tender, just to defend a whole process without any transparancy. We have to trust the words of Ethem the saint.I'm still where I'm saying. Even not a single country in the world will pay 28 million euros for a tank. This is valid for BMC and Otokar. Moreover BMC will now produce only 250 tanks. However, İbrahim Sünnetçi said the unit price will be constantly fixed. So again a tender will not open again. And the BMC tank will produce even at this price even if the unit price is up. In short, when the new order arrives (which will come) they will still sell the tank at the present price. However, this was valid in the Otokar. The cost of 750 tanks with 28 million euros unit price makes 21 billion euros. And you are defending that. That's crazy!
As you said, if Otokar were right, he would defend his rights. Why didn't they object to Ethem Sancak? Nobody paid them to keep quiet!Oh smart calculus without tender, just to defend a whole process without any transparancy. We have to trust the words of Ethem the saint.
There will be more investments in order to cultivate new orders after 250 tank production. And they will make this investment not in their own factory, but in ASFAT's factory. And if one day can take the Otokar tender again will use these facilities. In short, they did not transfer Arifiye to their deeds.I wonder what these "defenders" of BMC has to answer that a factory of ASFAT is taken en given to BMC. And that factory is producing now the howitzer and tank.
What is the plus value of BMC here? They are investing 50mln into the factory while eating up billions, wow what a good deal!