TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Turko]

Pars 4x4 Anti Tank spotted at 30th of August Victory Day celebrations at TRNC
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Man we don't need any MBTs. Tanks are absolute. Look at the beast.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Man we don't need any MBTs. Tanks are absolute. Look at the beast.

It's a beautiful vehicle.

I still think tanks are needed. Tank rounds are cheaper than missiles and fire faster (muzzle velocity). But all that extra armor costs a lot. Also ATGM's and guided munitions dropped from drones can punch straight through. So maybe unmanned tanks with minimal armor are the future...

 

[Yaacov]

Playing around with M113s (that would otherwise end up in the junkyard) makes perfect sense, especially to develop techonologies for capable land platforms of the near future. I am not sure about the worthiness as an end product though, as a remote weapons station with limited awareness!

These are first-generation unmanned ground vehicles. The ultimate goal is to give the majority of the workload to computers and keep the human operators' workload reduced. Computers would eventually dictate areas of concern and lead operators to focus on them when required. This is the trend I'm observing, where science and technology are leading warfare to. And it's worrisome if I'm to be honest when there's none to very little chance of losing life, countries will become more eager for war to resolve problems. It'll also likely be cheaper too...

 

[what]

These are first-generation unmanned ground vehicles. The ultimate goal is to give the majority of the workload to computers and keep the human operators' workload reduced. Computers would eventually dictate areas of concern and lead operators to focus on them when required. This is the trend I'm observing, where science and technology are leading warfare to. And it's worrisome if I'm to be honest when there's none to very little chance of losing life, countries will become more eager for war to resolve problems. It'll also likely be cheaper too...

There's always two sides of that coin, maybe we will have fewer civilians deaths with computer / AI assisted systems.

 

[TheInsider]

A total of 3 countries show interest in Otokar Tulpar.

 

[Stuka]

Otokar looks positively at post-COVID years, company GM says​

- Mr. Görgüç states. “All what we did in 2020 was the fruit of the activities carried out in 2019 or before, so in 2021 the defence industry will have to face not only pressure on budgets but also the delays in the meetings of the committees that had to launch the programmes.

- The aforementioned efforts led to maintain the production rate at normal levels. “We have two flagship vehicles on the production line, the Cobra II and the Arma 8×8, we have a full production schedule both for 2021 and 2022, which are being manufactured in different variants.

- We are also promoting the Tulpar tracked vehicle in three different countries, and we are currently carrying out in-country demonstrations, and we intend to be successful in one of our target markets.
We can see that our platform has very good cross-country performances and we are getting good feedback from users’ experience. In the past years we did a lot of internal qualification test, but we never trained a foreign user to drive it, to fight for it, and to do operational exercises without our support.

- Coming to wheeled vehicle, Mr. Görgüç explains that the Akrep II was designed based on the idea that a small but highly protected vehicle would have its place on the market. “The Akrep II gives a lot of different capabilities to its user, it has a three-man crew and, in the configuration shown here at IDEF, it has a Level 3 all-round protection, including from mines, and an extremely low silhouette. We show it here in the diesel propulsion option, and by the end of 2022 the hybrid version will also be available.

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Turkish Land Forces new generation wheeled vehicle programme

Another evolutionary platform seen at IDEF 2021 is the latest version of the Arma 8×8:

It has a higher protection compared to the current one, it has a different internal configuration, and features a 35 mm remotely controlled turret as required by the RfI. We are currently doing reliability tests on that vehicle, we completed all protection tests, the RfI requiring all-round protection referring to the latest published STANAG document that includes the new protections against IEDs

We completed our in-house testing, we already gave ballistic testing panels to SSB which will start its own tests in Autumn this year, including ballistic and mine testing, while by January 2022 we will hand over the prototype vehicle for user’s trials, which should last around half a year

As for the turret, the RfI allows proposing two different turrets, one being the Aselsan turret that we installed on the Arma 8×8, as well as another turret, but we are proposing the Aselsan one as we do not have an alternative solution yet for the RfI stage.
“We do not know how the Request for Proposal will be configured as far as turrets are concerned, so we will see it probably by mid next year when the RfP should be released."

Competitive prototype testing is something new for us in Turkey, so it is a learning cycle for Turkey,” he adds, underlining that the Arma 8×8 is a very capable vehicle, and even with the higher weight of the new version this has the same performances of the previous configuration.

Export:

The Middle East is one of the key markets for Otokar and new opportunities might come up soon. “There are requirements for 6×6 vehicles in different Gulf Cooperation Council countries, and we already have a fleet of 6×6 in the Gulf which are very successful, and considering this, neighbouring countries also want to buy 6×6 platforms, indifferent configurations. There is definitely an interest for such vehicles in that area and we are following this closely

We also have a running contracts in the United Arab Emirates for 8×8 vehicles, so in IDEX Al Jasoor, our joint venture company in UAE, displayed a mock-up of Rabdan 6×6, just to show that it is easily feasible. Rabdan is now a proven vehicle in the Gulf environmental conditions, so it would be more viable and readily available for that geography, so we might go through our Al Jasoor joint venture, having a production base in the UAE being a plus.” Another increasingly interesting area of interest for Otokar is south and central America, and to this end the company will be present at the Expodefensa exhibition in Colombia late this year.

Otokar looks positively at post-COVID years, company GM says - EDR Magazine

Interview with Serdar Görgüç, Otokar’s General Manager, at the biennial International Defence Industry Fairs in Turkey, IDEF 2021.

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[Altay_TR]

 

[Test7]

Tumosan's PUSAT has completed the 5 thousand km test. Structural and engine strength tested. New goal is 20 thousand km

 

[Combat-Master]

Tumosan's PUSAT has completed the 5 thousand km test. Structural and engine strength tested. New goal is 20 thousand km

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That door configuration should be implemented on all land vehicles!

 

[Test7]

That door configuration should be implemented on all land vehicles!

Absolutely

 

[Abdelaziz]

Tumosan's PUSAT has completed the 5 thousand km test. Structural and engine strength tested. New goal is 20 thousand km

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Its a big step ..as far as i remember ..they use completely local power group including engines and transmissions .. the design could be improved more ..but the most important is to qualify the power group

 

[TheInsider]

Tumosan Pusat uses a complete Tümosan powerpack. FNSS vehicle uses a Tümosan engine but a different transmission. This is good in a way as Tümosan shows its engines can be coupled to different transmissions. Tümosan can either sell powerpacks or engines alone.

 

[Huelague]

A total of 3 countries show interest in Otokar Tulpar.

Waiting for success. Maybe ‘anti-Erdogan’ countries will buy from Otokar.

 

[Huelague]

12 seconds in, there's a screen with what appears to be a road wheel and tracks on the bottom right screen. A sneak peek in on BMC's tracked vehicle?

To be honest, Altug is more handsome than Pars.

 

[Manomed]

To be honest, Altug is more handsome than Pars.

No Its just an big target for atgms

 

[Huelague]

No Its just an big target for atgms

Like every huge vehicle. You must compromise between sufficient protection against IE’s and small silhouettes, to not be discovered or attacked by ATM.
A real protection can be AKKOR or Pulat, not the size of the vehicle.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Altug looks awesome!

 

[Huelague]

Altug looks awesome!

Maybe we should think about bigger (size) wheels.

 

[Huelague]

Maybe we should think about bigger (size) wheels.

It could reduce the shock wave of IE‘s to the vehicles.

 

[Stimpy75]