TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Kartal1]

Some ideas from what I could gather recently:

There's nothing to suggest that Arma II runs in the YNHZA program, unlike FNSS Alpha. FNSS directly confirmed that Alpha/Pars V was not a new design and that it had been running for more than 3 years and joined all the tests.

BMC's engine for YNHZA has been missing for years, there's nothing to suggest that it has been running on these test articles. With the revised number of first party vehicles being lower, I think first production batches will run foreign engine packs to not delay the program 2-3 more years, like Fırtına and Altay.

As far as I remember this was also the plan for OMTTZA initially. The initially produced to be equipped with a foreign power pack and the next ones to be equipped with a national engines from TUMOSAN. FNSS also prepaid TUMOSAN the price for 100 engines. 450hp and 550hp engines were supposed to be tested on FNSS platforms in 2021 and in 2022 TUMOSAN was supposed to start the serial production and we see the result...

OKK started receiving their Pars IV with foreign engines, but no news on deliveries of the other configurations neither to TSK or the Gendarmerie.

 

[Sanchez]

As far as I remember this was also the plan for OMTTZA initially. The initially produced to be equipped with a foreign power pack and the next ones to be equipped with a national engines from TUMOSAN. FNSS also prepaid TUMOSAN the price for 100 engines. 450hp and 550hp engines were supposed to be tested on FNSS platforms in 2021 and in 2022 TUMOSAN was supposed to start the serial production and we see the result...

OKK started receiving their Pars IV with foreign engines, but no news on deliveries of the other configurations neither to TSK or the Gendarmerie.

MKKA(Pars IV 6x6 SOV for ÖKK) and ÖMTTZA(İzci for signal, command, radar+5 IFVs for gendarme) were different programs. I believe MKKA deliveries are complete. Which was a much more expensive(albeit produced in low numbers) and advanced vehicle. We are yet to see ÖMTTZA deliveries, 3 years later. They wanted to do it on the cheap with İzci, now look where we are.

ÖMTTZA(100 vehicles. 95 sensor, radar, CBRN and command vehicles, 5 IFVs for gendarme) was signed in Dec 2019 and had a project length of 36 months. All deliveries were to be completed from 24th to 36th months. At this point, no deliveries have been made and program is 2 years behind the schedule. Boys in the army are still using M113s for these roles and gendarme still don't have their IFVs.

Tümosan was to deliver the engines for these vehicles. As we haven't heard anything from their development in years, I think Tümosan engines are left behind and they will probably use BMC's Azra if and when it becomes ready. What a sham. For this exact point, unless deliveries are complete, we can never, evet trust a procurement to go through. Another lesson in bad project management.

 

[Kartal1]

MKKA(Pars IV 6x6 SOV for ÖKK) and ÖMTTZA(İzci for signal, command, radar+5 IFVs for gendarme) were different programs. I believe MKKA deliveries are complete. Which was a much more expensive(albeit produced in low numbers) and advanced vehicle. We are yet to see ÖMTTZA deliveries, 3 years later. They wanted to do it on the cheap with İzci, now look where we are.

Technically yes, but in terms of timeframe it was supposed to be going hand in hand with each other.

 

[Merzifonlu]

As far as I understand, both Tümosan and BMC Power could not start mass production of domestic armored vehicle diesel engines (and transmissions) on the mass production date they predicted.

Then there is a problem in the domestic machinery manufacturing industry in general. This conclusion follows from here.

Tümosan Chief Engineer mentioned in an interview that they had tolerance problems in the subsystems produced by domestic suppliers for mass production.

 

[dBSPL]

I just wonder if the GURZ turret can be mounted on the Pars-Alpha?

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So, technically it is possible.

 

[Fairon]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761077682526196084

Pars Alpha different configurations

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761077682526196084

Pars Alpha different configurations

It makes me feel like ordering one as if it is a menu

I'll take 120mm fire support vehicle, some with 40mm remote controlled turrets, that 120mm double barrel mortar looks really nice as well, and some of those with Hisar launchers. No onions.

(And for some reason this comment just made me miss Aspava )

 

[Quasar]

YENER MODERN MINE DETECTION SYSTEM

YENER is a tactical 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle integrated system designed for detection of improvised explosives and mine threats hidden under the road surfaces and roadside. It consists of target detection, target marking, electro optic surveillance and jamming selfprotection sub-systems.
YENER System Features
• Ground Penetrating Radar(YENERTM)
• EMI Sensor
• Jammer System
• Stabilized Advanced Remote Weapon Platform (SARP)
• ATS-61 Electro Optic System on Telescopic Movement Mechanism
• Vehicle Tracking System
• ANS-510K Land Inertial Navigation System
• AntiJamming GPS system (Karetta)
• 9661 V/UHF Software Defined Radio
• Intercommunication System
• Automatic Forward and Left/Right Side EMI/YENER Panel
• Movement Mechanism
• Target Marking System • Obstacle Sensing with LIDAR
• Vehicle and System Remote Control System
• Rocket Passive Protection Kit
• Armor protection level for explosives conforming to STANAG 4569
• Level 4A and 4B Armor protection level for kinetic energy ammunition STANAG 4569 Level 4

YENERTM System Features •
SAR in vehicle movement direction
• MIMO technology
• Cable Detection
• Target Identification
• Automatic Soil Calibration
• YENER and EMI Sensor Integrated Detection
• Working with Integrated Jammer System
• High resolution 2D/3D display
• Operation at 5,7,10 and 15 km/h speeds

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/YENER_ENG.pdf

 

[Hepdert]

8x8 Armored Wheeled Rescue Vehicle Deliveries completed.

 

[CAN_TR]

Any news about the YN-ZMA tender?

We know that BMC participates with Göktug, FNSS with Pars IV, Otokar with Arma. Both BMC Göktug and Otokar Arma probably equipped with Aselsan KORHAN turret, FNSS with it's own TEBER-35.

This tender goes on since 2-3 years it needs an update we have Arma II and also FNSS Alpha.

 

[Sanchez]

Any news about the YN-ZMA tender?

We know that BMC participates with Göktug, FNSS with Pars IV, Otokar with Arma. Both BMC Göktug and Otokar Arma probably equipped with Aselsan KORHAN turret, FNSS with it's own TEBER-35.

This tender goes on since 2-3 years it needs an update we have Arma II and also FNSS Alpha.

Per FNSS, their entrant is not Pars IV but Alpha.

 

[CAN_TR]

Per FNSS, their entrant is not Pars IV but Alpha.

Damn, what is TSK waiting for, Pars Alpha is by far the best and it's predessors are probably the most tested APC's in Türkiye.

 

[Kartal1]

Damn, what is TSK waiting for, Pars Alpha is by far the best and it's predessors are probably the most tested APC's in Türkiye.

They are waiting for Pars Gamma...

 

[CAN_TR]

They are waiting for Pars Gamma...

Or the 2.0 upgrade package for the modernized ZMA-15, i have the bad feeling that this abomination on tracks will outlive me...

 

[Sanchez]

Or the 2.0 upgrade package for the modernized ZMA-15, i have the bad feeling that this abomination on tracks will outlive me...

That program will most definitely grow to include more vehicles lol

 

[boredaf]

That program will most definitely grow to include more vehicles lol

We should upgrade them all and turn them into unmanned vehicles. Then put them all in reserve and keep them in good condition until we need them or scrap them. Of course we won't, but we should.

 

[AzeriTank]

We should upgrade them all and turn them into unmanned vehicles. Then put them all in reserve and keep them in good condition until we need them or scrap them. Of course we won't, but we should.

I think thats what tsk thinks about..

 

[Saithan]

How big is the localization % of the vehicles. That might have something to do with why the tenders never seem to go anywhere with Landforces.

 

[zio]

Damn, what is TSK waiting for, Pars Alpha is by far the best and it's predessors are probably the most tested APC's in Türkiye.

There is one thing that I do not understand,SSB requested domestic percentage should be 80 percent,but tested FNSS alfa is not.They are saying that if power and some subsystems become domestic then they can catch up 80 percent.Oh man you sould have done it before testing procedures.It is ridicolous won the tender than make some work up to catch up 80 percent,than not to test or test again.Not testing should not be the choice.Testing again time consumes and there is a danger not to pass it.SSB should not give permission to test vehichles under requested percentage of domestic origin,and FNSS either should not do what they did. We do not know about other companies on tender they fullfilled the requested domestic origin.What the f…..ck is going on there.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Turkish Army recieve upgraded ACV with 25 mm Nefer Turret.

Turkish Army Receives Anti-Tank Missiles and Modernised ACVs | TURDEF

Turkish Defence Ministry announced that the Army had received anti-tank missiles and Armoured Combat Vehicles (ACV) equipped with Aselsan's NEFER turrets.

turdef.com