TR Major Defence Industry Milestones for 2023

[Knowledgeseeker]

Sorry, i was talking about development plus procurement.
When you said I class frigate 1.5 billion and Altay 2.5 billion this include development and procurement.

If i recall right the number of the program+Procurment is between 3-5 billion usd. ( 1 billion only the program cost).

When it comes to the I-Class/Altay then im refering to the development program excluding procurment.

 

[Afif]

If i recall right the number of the program+Procurment is between 3-5 billion usd. ( 1 billion only the program cost).

When it comes to the I-Class/Altay then im refering to the development program excluding procurment.

Altay development cost was around 540 million according to wiki.
and also as far as i know 1.5 billion for I class is development plus procurement.

 

[Yasar_TR]

All the numbers are based on estimates that have been made in the forum. If im not mistaken it was @Yasar that mentioned that the hisar A+, and Hisar o+ have a program cost of aproximentaly 600 million dollars.

According to below site :

Quote:
The development cost of the short-range HISAR-A (15 km) and HISAR-O (25 km) is reportedly $332 million US and $255 million US, respectively.
Unquote.

HISAR / T-LALAMIDS / T-MALAMIDS

www.globalsecurity.org

We also know from open news resources that approximately 500million dollars were paid for the initial development cost of Altay tank.
But since then the amount of money spent on the engine development and new amour developments plus the active protection system developments all have to be included in to the cost of development of this tank.

Cost of development of Milgem is not known. I-Class is part of this program. Ada class ships according to below site cost 250-260 million dollar each. But that does not include original development costs.

MILGEM

Turkey's MILGEM (Patrol and Anti Submarine Warfare Ships Acquisition Project) corvette project was launched in 1998. The program comprises up to 12 vessels, with the first 8 to be completed by 2008.

www.globalsecurity.org

But it must be remembered that there are development costs for I-Class as well, which incorporates technologies used in CAFRAD and a good deal of ancillary equipment development that had to be undertaken to due to embargoes like the VLS.

So it is not a cut and dry case of specific cost of development that you can quote. Somehow these will have to be recouped when selling the related products, be it a tank or a ship.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

According to below site :

Quote:
The development cost of the short-range HISAR-A (15 km) and HISAR-O (25 km) is reportedly $332 million US and $255 million US, respectively.
Unquote.

HISAR / T-LALAMIDS / T-MALAMIDS

www.globalsecurity.org

We also know from open news resources that approximately 500million dollars were paid for the initial development cost of Altay tank.
But since then the amount of money spent on the engine development and new amour developments plus the active protection system developments all have to be included in to the cost of development of this tank.

Cost of development of Milgem is not known. I-Class is part of this program. Ada class ships according to below site cost 250-260 million dollar each. But that does not include original development costs.

MILGEM

Turkey's MILGEM (Patrol and Anti Submarine Warfare Ships Acquisition Project) corvette project was launched in 1998. The program comprises up to 12 vessels, with the first 8 to be completed by 2008.

www.globalsecurity.org

But it must be remembered that there are development costs for I-Class as well, which incorporates technologies used in CAFRAD and a good deal of ancillary equipment development that had to be undertaken to due to embargoes like the VLS.

So it is not a cut and dry case of specific cost of development that you can quote. Somehow these will have to be recouped when selling the related products, be it a tank or a ship.

Yes, I'm with you brother! I was referring to the post you made on "Naval programs" page 176, when you listed the huge projects taking place in the Turkish defense industry. It's quite impressive what you guys have done in terms of the cost of the development. Let's say that the Altay tank program will have an estimated 1 billion dollars in cost. Even if it would be 10X in development cost, it would still be cheaper than the german Puma IFV which had a cost of 17 billion dollars. It's really fascinating how Turkey produces high-quality weapons at a low cost! Definitely a source of pride, and inspiration for other countries that are developing their defense industry.

 

[Afif]

Yes, I'm with you brother! I was referring to the post you made on "Naval programs" page 176, when you listed the huge projects taking place in the Turkish defense industry. It's quite impressive what you guys have done in terms of the cost of the development. Let's say that the Altay tank program will have an estimated 1 billion dollars in cost. Even if it would be 10X in development cost, it would still be cheaper than the german Puma IFV which had a cost of 17 billion dollars. It's really fascinating how Turkey produces high-quality weapons at a low cost! Definitely a source of pride, and inspiration for other countries that are developing their defense industry.

Lets hope, Altay will do great on export front.
No one would be more happier than me if BD army choose Altay as replacement for our 250 old Chinese relics.
But only obstacle here is inflated cost. 13.75 million per unit is too much.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Lets hope, Altay will do great on export front.
No one would be more happier than me if BD army choose Altay as replacement for our 250 old Chinese relics.
But only obstacle here is inflated cost. 13.75 million per unit is too much.

Worth the money! Hopefully Bangladesh can transform its armed forces within the coming decade! Turkey can be a reliable partner of Bangladesh in the future!

 

[Shtr]

Mr. Demir shared a nice summary for the following year. I will check missing parts and will let you add later.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612013322584616961

 

[Agha Sher]

List updated with TF-X and ATAK-2 first flights expected later in 2023

 

[Anmdt]

List updated with TF-X and ATAK-2 first flights expected later in 2023

Milden pressure hull test section construction will commence.

 

[Agha Sher]

Milden pressure hull test section construction will commence.

Turkiye's defence industry has so much going on that we could make a 20 page list. Trying to keep it to only some of the most significant milestones.

I am not that learned about naval topics. Would what you've listed be a significant milestone?

 

[Anmdt]

Turkiye's defence industry has so much going on that we could make a 20 page list. Trying to keep it to only some of the most significant milestones.

I am not that learned about naval topics. Would what you've listed be a significant milestone?

Your list is accurate so far, thanks for the great effort.
I could add;
Milden pressure hull test construction,
Reis class 2. hull launching Q2-3 and commencing sea trials Q4
Reis class 3. hull transferring to dry dock Q3
AKYA SINKEX

 

[Khagan1923]

TF-X rollout has been moved to April as to have the aircraft move in its own instead of with a tow.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613144690026504192

 

[Trakya_forever]

As far as I remember the contract for 4 Hisar O+ batteries is 260 or 270 million Euro.

 

[Afif]

As far as I remember the contract for 4 Hisar O+ batteries is 260 or 270 million Euro.

What is it about? Do you have any reliable link for the cost you mentioned?

 

[Agha Sher]

Updated with TCG Anadolu entering service

 

[bisbis]

Don't be in a hurry, I think. Surprise products and projects may come out in idef 2023.

 

[Agha Sher]

Updated with IMECE launch and Murad trials

 

[Agha Sher]

Updated with first export of Akinci. Apparently, some units have already been delivered to Pakistan.

Game of Drones: Pakistani pilots operating Turkish-made Akıncı UCAVs get shiny new patch | Product News

Haberler, son dakika haberler, gazeteler. Türkiye ve dünyanın gündemini ekonomi, siyaset, spor ve birçok kategoride, tüm güncel haberlerle sizlere iletiyoruz. Yeni Şafak.

www.yenisafak.com

 

[Afif]

Updated with first export of Akinci. Apparently, some units have already been delivered to Pakistan.

Game of Drones: Pakistani pilots operating Turkish-made Akıncı UCAVs get shiny new patch | Product News

Haberler, son dakika haberler, gazeteler. Türkiye ve dünyanın gündemini ekonomi, siyaset, spor ve birçok kategoride, tüm güncel haberlerle sizlere iletiyoruz. Yeni Şafak.

www.yenisafak.com

It would be interesting to see how Indians are gonna response to that.

Nevertheless Akinci is a serious platform.
Probably they will speed their MQ-9B acquisition.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

It would be interesting to see how Indians are gonna response to that.

India has extensive UAV projects with a very wide range. If successful they'll be one of the few countries with the capabilities of US, China, Israel, and Türkiye.
They already have started tests on one that looks like our Aksungur. UCAVs, swarm kamikaze, rotary UAVs are also in development.