TR Major Defence Industry Milestones for 2023

[Agha Sher]

Dear Members,

Like previous years, let's make a comprehensive list of major milestones for 2023. Please add anything not included in the tables below in the comment section (I'll update the tables continuously).

Topic - Aviation​	Estimated​	Status​
Hurjet first flight	Q2 2023	​
Anka 3 first flight	Q4 2023	​
TF-X offical roll-out & taxi tests	Q2 2023	​
Baykar KizilElma A serial production	Delayed	​
TAI Gokbey delivery	Delayed	​
TEI TF6000 first ground test	Delayed	​
TEI TF10000 first ground test	Delayed	​
TAI Gokbey first flight with TS1400	2023	​
Baykar TB3 first flight	Q4 2023	​
Aselsan Murad AESA radar integration and testing on Baykar Akinci	Q1 2023	​
Baykar Akinci first export	Q1 2023	​
TAI TF-X first flight	Delayed	​
TAI ATAK-2 first flight	Q2 2023	​

Topic - Navy​	Estimated​	Status​
TCG Anadolu entering service	2023	​
TCG Istanbul entering service	Q3 2023	​
TCG Pirireis entering service​	2023	Pending​
Reis class 2. hull launching and commencing sea trials	2023	Unknown​

Topic - Land Forces​	Estimated​	Status​
LRIP of Altay MBT	Delayed	​

Topic - Missile Systems	Estimated​	Status​
Cakir first test	Q1 2023	​
SOM test with KJ-3200	Q1 2023	Unknown
Gokhan A2A Ramjet missile ground to air tests	2023	Unknown
Super Simsek first test	2023	Unknown
Submarine launched ATMACA (Sub-ATMACA) first test	2023	Unknown

Topic - Other​	Estimated​	Status​
Moon mission - hard impact	Delayed	​
Fergani Space detailed plan reveal	2023	​
IMECE satellite launch	Q2 2023	​

 

[Rodeo]

Dear Members,

Like previous years, let's make a comprehensive list of major milestones for 2023. Please add anything not included in the tables below in the comment section (I'll update the tables continuously).

Topic - Aviation	Estimated	Status
Hurjet first flight	Q1 2023	Pending
Anka 3 first flight	Q1 2023	Pending
TF-X offical roll-out	Q1 2023	Pending
Baykar KizilElma A serial production	Q4 2023	Pending
TAI Gokbey delivery	Q1 2023	Pending
TAI T929 first flight	TBD	Pending
TEI TF6000 first ground test	Q1 2023	Pending
TEI TF10000 first ground test	2023	Pending
TAI Gokbey first flight with TS1400	2023	Pending
Baykar TB3 first flight	2023	Pending
Aselsan Murad AESA radar integration and testing on Baykar Akinci	Q1 2023	Pending

Topic - Navy	Estimated	Status
TCG Anadolu entering service	Q1 2023	Pending
TCG Istanbul entering service	Q1 2023	Pending
TCG Pirireis entering service	Q1 2023	Pending

Topic - Land Forces	Estimated	Status
LRIP of Altay MBT	2023	Pending

Topic - Missile Systems	Estimated	Status
Cakir first test	Q1 2023	Pending

Topic - Other	Estimated	Status
Moon mission - hard impact	2023	Pending

TF6000 first run is Q3 2023 earliest(due to an embargo) and TF10000 is a year after that. MURAD AESA might also be integrated into an F16 in scope of Özgür project. TCG İstanbul is entering service in Q3 2023, afaik.

 

[Lool]

TF6000 first run is Q3 2023 earliest(due to an embargo) and TF10000 is a year after that. MURAD AESA might also be integrated into an F16 in scope of Özgür project. TCG İstanbul is entering service in Q3 2023, afaik.

You sure?
As far as I know, it was stated in one of the posts that TEI TF6000 will be completed in the first few months of the year and that the production of TEI TF10000 has already begun

 

[Agha Sher]

TF6000 first run is Q3 2023 earliest(due to an embargo) and TF10000 is a year after that. MURAD AESA might also be integrated into an F16 in scope of Özgür project. TCG İstanbul is entering service in Q3 2023, afaik.

Do you have sources regarding the engines? A few weeks ago it was stated that TF6000 would run soon.
TCG Istanbul updated. Thanks!

 

[Rodeo]

You sure?
As far as I know, it was stated in one of the posts that TEI TF6000 will be completed in the first few months of the year and that the production of TEI TF10000 has already begun

That was the first announcement of Mr. Akşit. But later he revised it, saying it will happen in the second half 2023, citing embargo(accessory gearbox) as the reason.

 

[Rodeo]

Do you have sources regarding the engines? A few weeks ago it was stated that TF6000 would run soon.
TCG Istanbul updated. Thanks!

In this interview, starting from 0:55, he talks about the embargo. It's in Turkish unfortunately.

 

[Shtr]

You can not believe how much I spent time to find such an useful information. Thanks for all contributions. Great topic.

 

[Rooxbar]

Mahmut Akşit has stated in multiple interviews that the preliminary schedule for the first TF6000 prototype was the first half of 2023, but that will probably be delayed into late 2023 (due to supply chain issues, not embargoes per se) and that for them to start on the production of TF10000 they need to see certain test results of TF6000, hence first prototype of TF10000 will be ready from a year to a year and a half after the TF6000 prototype.

This is what worries me about MMU engine, because we see a worrying trend looking at development history of engines from EJ200 (here; from demonstrator in 1982, first prototype in 1991 to flight certification in 1997; overall tests done on 14 prototypes), and M88 (here; component tests starting from 1978, core engine tests 1983-86, 1989 first run of the prototype, first production engine in late 1996; again 14 prototypes), to izdeliye 99 which started off in early 70s and was only fully operational in first T-10s (Su-27) entering service in 1990, to WS-15 starting development from 90s and reporting on first successful prototype tests in 2009 to where we are now in 2023 and still the engine is nowhere to be seen and last but not least the failure of decades-long Kaveri. These are smaller, less powerful older generation engines, compared to what MMU's engine is purported to be, and from companies with quite a bit of experience in developing turbofans.

I have no idea why SSB is dilly-dallying in this regard, seeing as how this is the toughest and most strategic part of any of our defense industry projects. Instead of total mobilization of forces and a strong-willed focus, we just see a very lax approach. Maybe something better is brewing behind the scenes, but from what we have heard from them this doesn't seem to be the case, as they are still waiting for a proposal from TAEC and maybe are not investing in TEI as much as they should, seeing how they are still trying to prove themselves in an at least three-year-path in developing TF6000 and TF10000 to maybe after all of this start to design MMU's engine which will be very late indeed.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Is anyone here that can give us an estimate of the Program cost of different projects in the Turkish defense industry?

i can name a few projects

-ALTAY TANK
-FNSS PARS
-BMC KIRPI
-KORKUT
-HISAR A/O/RF/SIPER
-TRLG series
-JSOM
- Atmaca
-Ada class/I-class


@TR_123456 @dBSPL

 

[Agha Sher]

List updated with:

1. SOM test with KJ 3200
2. Akinci first export

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Is anyone here that can give us an estimate of the Program cost of different projects in the Turkish defense industry?

i can name a few projects

-ALTAY TANK
-FNSS PARS
-BMC KIRPI
-KORKUT
-HISAR A/O/RF/SIPER
-TRLG series
-JSOM
- Atmaca
-Ada class/I-class


@TR_123456 @dBSPL

-The development cost of the MMU will be around 10 billion $.

-The development cost of the T929 will be just under 1 billion $."

- 1.5 billion dollar I-Class frigate program

-1billion dollar OPV program

-2.5 billion dollar Altay tank program

- 1 Billion dollars for the hisar/Siper air defence program.

 

[Afif]

- 1 Billion dollars for the hisar/Siper air defence program.

That sounds too small. at least 2/2.5 billions for air defense program.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Dear Members,

Like previous years, let's make a comprehensive list of major milestones for 2023. Please add anything not included in the tables below in the comment section (I'll update the tables continuously).

Topic - Aviation​	Estimated​	Status​
Hurjet first flight	Q1 2023	Pending
Anka 3 first flight	Q1 2023	Pending
TF-X offical roll-out	Q1 2023	Pending
Baykar KizilElma A serial production	Q4 2023	Pending
TAI Gokbey delivery	Q1 2023	Pending
TAI T929 first flight	TBD	Pending
TEI TF6000 first ground test	H2 2023	Pending
TEI TF10000 first ground test	2023	Pending
TAI Gokbey first flight with TS1400	2023	Pending
Baykar TB3 first flight	2023	Pending
Aselsan Murad AESA radar integration and testing on Baykar Akinci	Q1 2023	Pending
Baykar Akinci first export	Q1 2023	Pending
Baykar TB3 first flight	Q1 2023	Pending

Topic - Navy​	Estimated​	Status​
TCG Anadolu entering service	2023	Pending
TCG Istanbul entering service	Q3 2023	Pending
TCG Pirireis entering service​	2023	Pending

Topic - Land Forces​	Estimated​	Status​
LRIP of Altay MBT	2023	Pending

Topic - Missile Systems	Estimated​	Status​
Cakir first test	Q1 2023	Pending
SOM test with KJ-3200	Q1 2023	Pending

Topic - Other​	Estimated​	Status​
Moon mission - hard impact	2023	Pending
Fergani Space detailed plan reveal	2023	Pending
IMECE satellite launch	Q1 2023	Pending

Great post but you've got Baykar TB-3 ff x2 in that table.

 

[Agha Sher]

Great post but you've got Baykar TB-3 ff x2 in that table.

Thanks for catching that one. Updated.

 

[AWP]

You forgot the what I personally think it is the most important project at the moment and will be a game changer for the future .

The Koral - II

 

[Agha Sher]

You forgot the what I personally think it is the most important project at the moment and will be a game changer for the future .

The Koral - II

Do we know if delivery will happen in 2023? (Please post source)

 

[AWP]

Do we know if delivery will happen in 2023? (Please post source)

Not delivery but unveil , in the last IDEF 2021 Aselasn or Mr dmeir stated that Koral-II will be presented on IDEF 2023

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

That sounds too small. at least 2/2.5 billions for air defense program.

All the numbers are based on estimates that have been made in the forum. If im not mistaken it was @Yasar that mentioned that the hisar A+, and Hisar o+ have a program cost of aproximentaly 600 million dollars.

 

[Afif]

All the numbers are based on estimates that have been made in the forum. If im not mistaken it was @Yasar that mentioned that the hisar A+, and Hisar o+ have a program cost of aproximentaly 600 million dollars.

Sorry, i was talking about development plus procurement.
When you said I class frigate 1.5 billion and Altay 2.5 billion this include development and procurement.

 

[Oublious]

All the numbers are based on estimates that have been made in the forum. If im not mistaken it was @Yasar that mentioned that the hisar A+, and Hisar o+ have a program cost of aproximentaly 600 million dollars.

thats cheap, if you buy 1 systems you will pay that money almost.


Secondly, the long-awaited air defense systems NASAMS, which will cover our sky. At least a fraction, because there are only two such systems so far. Most likely, we are talking about NASAMS platoon kits, each of which includes 3 launchers for 18 missiles, an AN/TPQ-64 three-coordinate radar station and a fire control panel – this is the basic unit for this air defense system. By the way, the cost of one NASAMS platoon is $23 million in 2022 prices, the cost of each shot, that is, one AIM-120 AMRAAM missile (AIM-120D 2019 modification) is more than $1.2 million.

https://mezha.media/en/2022/07/02/another-package-of-military-aid-from-the-us-for-820-million-nasams-missiles-for-himars-and-some-more/