TR Marine Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

[Yasar_TR]

Please stay on topic. This is “Mavi Vatan” (Blue Homeland) thread.
Also make sure you do not use insults and derogatory language against fellow members.

 

[AWP]

The U.S. ambassador to Greece has said the country is likely to be approved by the U.S. government to purchase the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, but it will be a minimum of five years before Athens will receive aircraft

“We will have a team from the US Air Force, from the F-35 programme office, coming to Athens next month precisely to provide the Greek government with informational briefings on the requirements for moving forward with the F-35 programme,” he added.


https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/greece-progresses-f-35-procurement-plans

 

[AWP]

@Akritas if turkey deployed it's s-400 battery on the coast of aegean sea in which is turkey have all the right to deploy anything on it's soil . in this case do greek have a full authority on the decision to fly F-35 to the s-400 battery radar range ? or the americans will disallow and oversees all future F-35 operations ?

 

[Akritas]

@Akritas if turkey deployed it's s-400 battery on the coast of aegean sea in which is turkey have all the right to deploy anything on it's soil . in this case do greek have a full authority on the decision to fly F-35 to the s-400 battery radar range ? or the americans will disallow and oversees all future F-35 operations ?

First of all, I do not think that Turkey will deploy the S400 on its shores for two reasons

• easy target for the Greek Ait Force, not only for the F35 , but also and for the other aircrafts, either for F4.
• short range radar, it typically shows its very small overlap at low altitudes, due to the Greek islands right in front of it

That the Americans are locking down operations of the aircraft they sell or still do not give the license to sell specific weapons, this is known not only for the F-35 but also for other weapons systems. I think they will do the same with the Greek F-35s, if and when Greece gets them.

 

[Blackhawk]

First of all, I do not think that Turkey will deploy the S400 on its shores for two reasons

• easy target for the Greek Ait Force, not only for the F35 , but also and for the other aircrafts, either for F4.
• short range radar, it typically shows its very small overlap at low altitudes, due to the Greek islands right in front of it

That the Americans are locking down operations of the aircraft they sell or still do not give the license to sell specific weapons, this is known not only for the F-35 but also for other weapons systems. I think they will do the same with the Greek F-35s, if and when Greece gets them.

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How do you plan to penetrate Turkey's layered and network-centered air defense umbrella, of which high-power jammers are a part? Even in the image you published yourself, you can see that the engagement range has reached the other end of the Aegean. Under these conditions, you have a technology that we do not know and you think you can destroy the S400 even with the F4 aircrafts? Even fantasies have their limits.

 

[Oublious]

First of all, I do not think that Turkey will deploy the S400 on its shores for two reasons

• easy target for the Greek Ait Force, not only for the F35 , but also and for the other aircrafts, either for F4.
• short range radar, it typically shows its very small overlap at low altitudes, due to the Greek islands right in front of it

That the Americans are locking down operations of the aircraft they sell or still do not give the license to sell specific weapons, this is known not only for the F-35 but also for other weapons systems. I think they will do the same with the Greek F-35s, if and when Greece gets them.

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IF you put 1 north and other south, you will cross section wher the radar will cover each other and S400 problem solved . But this is not the problem, the problem is Greece attitude, that rafale story will be end of Greece.

 

[AWP]

First of all, I do not think that Turkey will deploy the S400 on its shores for two reasons

• easy target for the Greek Ait Force, not only for the F35 , but also and for the other aircrafts, either for F4.
• short range radar, it typically shows its very small overlap at low altitudes, due to the Greek islands right in front of it

That the Americans are locking down operations of the aircraft they sell or still do not give the license to sell specific weapons, this is known not only for the F-35 but also for other weapons systems. I think they will do the same with the Greek F-35s, if and when Greece gets them.

I totally agree with you regarding the american restriction on it's weapons , in fact it's one of the reasons why the UAE F-35 deal is on hold . they want to make sure that the UAE pilots will not fly near the Iranian radar range and most importantly not using the f-35 with it's biggest ally Egypt in any exercise out of fear of leaking important f-35 information to Egypt biggest enemy of Israel .

but , the scenario you gave about the s-400 is during the war time . defiantly greek will not attack the s-400 during peace time or start a war cuz of it . but how you thing greek will operate the F-35 in the aegean sea and east mediterranean sea during peace time and with the deployment of the s-400 ?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

MevlutCavusoglu:

"We sent 2 letters to the UN because Greece violated the status of the demilitarized islands. If necessary, we will make our final warnings and then the discussion (on the status of those islands) begins."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1491705028293316608

 

[Kilic93]

First of all, I do not think that Turkey will deploy the S400 on its shores for two reasons

• easy target for the Greek Ait Force, not only for the F35 , but also and for the other aircrafts, either for F4.
• short range radar, it typically shows its very small overlap at low altitudes, due to the Greek islands right in front of it

That the Americans are locking down operations of the aircraft they sell or still do not give the license to sell specific weapons, this is known not only for the F-35 but also for other weapons systems. I think they will do the same with the Greek F-35s, if and when Greece gets them.

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Easy target? First off all of the islands will be in turkish control. I am not underestimating you however you are not in Turkeys class. Turkey being a modern, self sufficient, know how, combat experienced army, Greece, fully dependent army with 0 experience has no chance. Sorry this is a war you cannot win

 

[Cabatli_TR]

MSB:
"Greece committed 229 violations against Islands with Non-Military Status with military sea-air vehicles in 2022."

"Military activities against the islands mean a fundamental violation of the international treaties."

 

[Aloster]

@Akritas
Why is Turkey talking about demilitarization of islands while it has 60,000 troops on the coast?
Too Easy . It is our coast. It is not subject to any treaty like Lausanne (Also Ur first question answer here). We never questioning why at ur coast u have soldiers (At here to clarify I talk about your mainland which not subject to treaty Lausanne).
I think it is too understandable answers for everybody.
I know. Now u will write a lot of things because of "probabilty" of something to cover ur violations about Lausanne treaty. But one "reality" exist. Ur side violate the Lausanne treaty. According to me (my personal view), We have to start to think/speak legacy of Lausanne treaty (I know it is also too dangerous for both sides.) but according to treaty all sides made some promises to other sides. It is not one sided treaty. U only demand something. We didn't sign a "sea serv treaty". We want our rights not ur lands. I m sure at ur side some logical people also exists at least I hope.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu:

"We have also determined the western borders of our continental shelf, registered it with the United Nations. There is no question of making any concessions here. We signed the Maritime Jurisdiction Agreement with Libya within the framework of these borders, and we sent it to the UN.

In the last year, the Greek side and Greece have tried to violate our continental shelf 9 times. They wanted to bring third country flagged ships here for various reasons.We have blocked some of them diplomatically. As a result, we have blocked some of them due to these attempts, and some of them are taken by our Navy in the field. Our ships made the necessary warnings and we did not let these ships into our continental shelf both in the south and in the west.

Our determination is clear. It can only happen here if you cooperate with Turkey. Scientific research? It can be if you get permission from Turkey. It is also important that countries have recently started to buy directly from us. It means they recognize our continental shelf.

They are directing those ships with the aim of violating our continental shelf by Greece and the Greek part, and they should not be a tool for this. Our stance on this matter never changes.

We are strong and determined to defend our continental shelf."

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Minister Çavuşoğlu
“Greece does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice on three issues;

• Status of demilitarized islands,
• 10 miles airspace and
• Maritime jurisdictions.

Because they knows that their demands are unfair.”

 

[Ravenman]

Greece is f..... and Mitsotakis knows this. Thats why he is crying about Turkey in every country.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Ankara is preparing a "landing" in the Aegean

DEFENSE

13-02-2022
A plan to cancel the Lausanne and Paris Treaties is emerging

Turkey has officially announced procedures for challenging the sovereignty of the Greek islands in the Eastern Aegean , with the apparent ultimate goal of " redistributing " the sovereignty of the islands between Greece and Turkey.


This development will lead to dramatic changes to the detriment of Greek sovereign rights and interests in the EEZ, at 10 n.m. of the national airspace, the Athens FIR, the flight plans, the search and rescue area, etc.

Just a few days before the resumption of exploratory talks between Athens and Ankara, the Turkish Foreign Minister in an interview sent an ultimatum to the Greek government to stop the militarization of the islands here and now, otherwise Ankara will raise the issue of international sovereignty.

Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias himself is a political and legal helper of Turkey in challenging the Greek sovereignty of the islands, due to their illegal militarization and violation of the Lausanne and Paris Treaties, as Ankara claims, with his careless statements to that Greece is militarizing the islands due to a Turkish threat.

These statements were the initial kick for Turkey to report Greece to the UN with two letters in violation of the Lausanne and Paris Treaties and now to state directly that " the dispute over the islands will begin ", because " Greece essentially accepts (the militarization) »…

The Turkish Foreign Minister slyly introduces the version that the islands of the Eastern Aegean were "attributed" to Greece " on the condition of demilitarization " (s.s. which is not mentioned in any article or point of the Treaties), to justify the questioning of the Greek to begin the process of redefining their sovereignty (some will belong to Greece and others to Turkey), which is the ultimate goal of Ankara for a long time.

In order to serve this Turkish goal, Turkey has politically, legally and diplomatically raised the issue of Greek violation of the Lausanne and Paris Treaties with the UN, paving the way for the "dismantling" of these Treaties. Unfortunately, International Law, with the Vienna Convention on the Compliance with the Treaties , gives Ankara the right (Article 60), after finding a violation of the Lausanne Treaty by one of the parties (ie Greece), to request the abolition in part or throughout the Treaty. The same article gives Turkey the opportunity to declare a violation of demilitarization by Greece of the Paris Treaty, even if Turkey is not a direct party.

In questioning the sovereignty of the Greek islands with the tool of their claim of militarization, Turkey relies on NATO , which since the 1980s with two orders of the yen. secretaries and an order from SACEUR, implements the Turkish position on militarization and prohibits the approach of NATO aircraft closer than 6 nm. from the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean - a situation that no Greek government has ever dared to reverse.

This situation allows Turkey to blame Greece for its exercises on "demilitarized Greek islands" and the Turkish Ministry of Defense to count 229 Greek violations on demilitarized islands. Ankara's obvious goal, beyond questioning Greek sovereignty, is to make it defenseless of national protection and security .

Ankara reiterates its determination to defend its EEZ from east of Rhodes to the Turkish-Libyan pact and Cyprus, insisting that it has submitted its coordinates to the UN and nothing can happen or happen in this region without its consent and permission. of.

No movement

On the other hand, the Greek government has neither submitted the coordinates of the Greek EEZ in the region, nor has it officially terminated the current Turkish-Libyan EEZ to the UN, nor has it even registered the coordinates of the Greek-Egyptian EEZ with the UN.

Η Άγκυρα ετοιμάζει «απόβαση» στο Αιγαίο

Εξυφαίνεται σχέδιο ακύρωσης των Συνθηκών της Λωζάννης και των Παρισίων

www.newsbreak.gr

 

[AverageMilitaryEnjoyer]

Ankara is preparing a "landing" in the Aegean

DEFENSE

13-02-2022
A plan to cancel the Lausanne and Paris Treaties is emerging

Turkey has officially announced procedures for challenging the sovereignty of the Greek islands in the Eastern Aegean , with the apparent ultimate goal of " redistributing " the sovereignty of the islands between Greece and Turkey.


This development will lead to dramatic changes to the detriment of Greek sovereign rights and interests in the EEZ, at 10 n.m. of the national airspace, the Athens FIR, the flight plans, the search and rescue area, etc.

Just a few days before the resumption of exploratory talks between Athens and Ankara, the Turkish Foreign Minister in an interview sent an ultimatum to the Greek government to stop the militarization of the islands here and now, otherwise Ankara will raise the issue of international sovereignty.

Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias himself is a political and legal helper of Turkey in challenging the Greek sovereignty of the islands, due to their illegal militarization and violation of the Lausanne and Paris Treaties, as Ankara claims, with his careless statements to that Greece is militarizing the islands due to a Turkish threat.

These statements were the initial kick for Turkey to report Greece to the UN with two letters in violation of the Lausanne and Paris Treaties and now to state directly that " the dispute over the islands will begin ", because " Greece essentially accepts (the militarization) »…

The Turkish Foreign Minister slyly introduces the version that the islands of the Eastern Aegean were "attributed" to Greece " on the condition of demilitarization " (s.s. which is not mentioned in any article or point of the Treaties), to justify the questioning of the Greek to begin the process of redefining their sovereignty (some will belong to Greece and others to Turkey), which is the ultimate goal of Ankara for a long time.

In order to serve this Turkish goal, Turkey has politically, legally and diplomatically raised the issue of Greek violation of the Lausanne and Paris Treaties with the UN, paving the way for the "dismantling" of these Treaties. Unfortunately, International Law, with the Vienna Convention on the Compliance with the Treaties , gives Ankara the right (Article 60), after finding a violation of the Lausanne Treaty by one of the parties (ie Greece), to request the abolition in part or throughout the Treaty. The same article gives Turkey the opportunity to declare a violation of demilitarization by Greece of the Paris Treaty, even if Turkey is not a direct party.

In questioning the sovereignty of the Greek islands with the tool of their claim of militarization, Turkey relies on NATO , which since the 1980s with two orders of the yen. secretaries and an order from SACEUR, implements the Turkish position on militarization and prohibits the approach of NATO aircraft closer than 6 nm. from the Greek islands of the Eastern Aegean - a situation that no Greek government has ever dared to reverse.

This situation allows Turkey to blame Greece for its exercises on "demilitarized Greek islands" and the Turkish Ministry of Defense to count 229 Greek violations on demilitarized islands. Ankara's obvious goal, beyond questioning Greek sovereignty, is to make it defenseless of national protection and security .

Ankara reiterates its determination to defend its EEZ from east of Rhodes to the Turkish-Libyan pact and Cyprus, insisting that it has submitted its coordinates to the UN and nothing can happen or happen in this region without its consent and permission. of.

No movement

On the other hand, the Greek government has neither submitted the coordinates of the Greek EEZ in the region, nor has it officially terminated the current Turkish-Libyan EEZ to the UN, nor has it even registered the coordinates of the Greek-Egyptian EEZ with the UN.

Η Άγκυρα ετοιμάζει «απόβαση» στο Αιγαίο

Εξυφαίνεται σχέδιο ακύρωσης των Συνθηκών της Λωζάννης και των Παρισίων

www.newsbreak.gr

I'm sorry but most of the Greek articles on news sites are written so idiotically that they were clearly not written by established, competent researchers, rather by some braindead troll on twitter that the both sides have.

It's obviously a rubbish Greek urban legend.

On the other side of the coin It's like as if we share news from some bullshit article from a most probably government aligned site that claims in 2023 the deadline of the Lousanne treaty will end and we'll go back and take what's left of the Misak-ı Milli, etc...

You get the point.

I'm sorry but I don't see the point of sharing such bullshit articles here.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493604485805051907

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493604501252714517

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493604508353667075

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493604514632450055

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493604518713565192

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493604526439415819