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In the last couple of day there were some good and some bad developments in Iraq.

We saw the routine airstrikes in Gara and Tepe Bahar, but we saw also something not very good.

During an UCAV operation in Asos (south of Qandil), our Aksungur UCAV was hit by an Iranian supplied "358" missile. The Aksungur managed to stay in the air, cross in Turkish airspace, but unfortunately it crashed in Hakkari, Turkiye.

The Aksungur UCAV that was hit was photographed over Gara and you can clearly see the empty gap on the right wing where the missile hit it.
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Today we targeted a couple of villages that are known to have been used as a logistics hubs for the PKK. Among them are Guherz (Tepe Bahar area), Mije (Gara-Tepe Bahar route), Saliawa, Nzara and Dara Gurgan (Asos-Qandil).

We also most probably prevented an attack over our logistics convoy. A PKK target was put under fire by our F-16s.

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In the same time TSK units were deployed to the Amediye town center. We can say that TSK is providing the security in the area, not the Peshmerga or the Iraqi Army.

 

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The Iraqi Badr Organization/Movement, which has a presence of between 10 and 50k fighters, and the Iranian-backed Nujaba Movement, which has close relations with Hezbollah and the IRGC Quds Force, with a number of 10k fighters, threatened the presence of the Turkish Armed Forces due to the Turkish military operations in Iraq and called for withdrawal.

I couldn't find the original source, but I trust the word of Barracuda.

 

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What would be the reasons for the announcements from this week from KDP, Iraq and PMF groups to demand an end to the operations? Just looking tough?
 

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What would be the reasons for the announcements from this week from KDP, Iraq and PMF groups to demand an end to the operations? Just looking tough?
Well, I am not shocked by the statements from Iraq and the PMF/PMU. I am not aware of any such statement from the KDP side or maybe I missed something? :unsure:

As for the other two actors it is normal. The operation in Metina is continuing extremely well and the PKK couldn't put any opposition to the non-standard way of how TSK operates this time. They know that till the end of the year we may be done with a big part of Operation Claw-Lock and if we manage to develop an effective approach for the tunnels we can basically destroy most of the PKK's fighting force in Iraq. After this, there will be only strategic and symbolic targets left like Gara, Sinjar and Qandil.

What I see from the Iraqi Central Government are that some people push for the Development Road Project and some are pushing against it (Iranian proxies). In order for this project to be concluded successfully a PKK presence in Gara is unacceptable. The Iranians probably see us as a threat to their influence over Iraq and they want to slow down our success in the operations as much as possible.
 

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Well, I am not shocked by the statements from Iraq and the PMF/PMU. I am not aware of any such statement from the KDP side or maybe I missed something? :unsure:

As for the other two actors it is normal. The operation in Metina is continuing extremely well and the PKK couldn't put any opposition to the non-standard way of how TSK operates this time. They know that till the end of the year we may be done with a big part of Operation Claw-Lock and if we manage to develop an effective approach for the tunnels we can basically destroy most of the PKK's fighting force in Iraq. After this, there will be only strategic and symbolic targets left like Gara, Sinjar and Qandil.

What I see from the Iraqi Central Government are that some people push for the Development Road Project and some are pushing against it (Iranian proxies). In order for this project to be concluded successfully a PKK presence in Gara is unacceptable. The Iranians probably see us as a threat to their influence over Iraq and they want to slow down our success in the operations as much as possible.

Israel might have found a solution to TSK's tunnel problem.
 

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Israel might have found a solution to TSK's tunnel problem.
I don't think this design will prove effective in the tunnels of the PKK, but I thought about UGVs. The biggest difficulty is that with the depth of the tunnels the communication becomes a problem. I thought that we may solve this problem with a fiber cable communication and data link, but so far I don't see any Turkish product featuring it.
 

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I don't think this design will prove effective in the tunnels of the PKK,
Why? What is wrong with the design?

The biggest difficulty is that with the depth of the tunnels the communication becomes a problem. I thought that we may solve this problem with a fiber cable communication and data link, but so far I don't see any Turkish product featuring it.

Why not just give it a gun and program the AI to kill everything that moves in those Tunnels? It's different from a civilian area and has fewer variables than an open space area; it is a small, closed-off tunnel system after all. If TSK already knows all the tunnels exist, there shouldn't be much of a problem.
 

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Why? What is wrong with the design?



Why not just give it a gun and program the AI to kill everything that moves in those Tunnels? It's different from a civilian area and has fewer variables than an open space area; it is a small, closed-off tunnel system after all. If TSK already knows all the tunnels exist, there shouldn't be much of a problem.
First of all it is too big. The tunnels are designed in such a way which allows a human to move only by crawling at some places. Adding a gun to it will make it even bulkier. The AI idea is more suited for a movie 😅 There is no such AI which can effectively navigate these tunnels, kill only whatever it has to kill and not to forget that our soldiers are also moving in these tunnels.

The tunnels are not small. They are killometers long, multiple floors, got multiple entry points, they are reinforced etc. These tunnels are not to be confused with the caves the MoD shares occasionally.
 

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Message from Massoud Barzani to PKK: "They will pay the price"

Erbil administration announced that the bomb attack on the car of a KDP official was carried out by the PKK.

Massoud Barzani, who met with the official who survived the attack, targeted the terrorist organization PKK, saying, "The perpetrators of this terrorist act and the people behind it will definitely pay the price for this attack."

Massoud Barzani had not made a statement about the PKK's attacks against the KDP for a long time and stated that the war between Kurds and Kurds was "not permissible".


Big Barzani made a statement about the PKK after a long break. The assassination attempt after the burning of the markets must have forced him to say something.

During the Claw operations, PKK and KDP came face to face and clashed many times. The expansion of cooperation with the KDP in the recent operations of the Turkish Armed Forces and the fact that we are approaching the end of them may now force the parties to take steps that will cause permanent damage.
 

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TSK/MIT's UCAVs struck a PKK target in the vicinity of the Badinan village in the Asos-Penchvin camp, 200 kilometers from the border.

The camp is located a tad south of Qandil and it is the most probable place from which the PKK fired a "358" missile at our Aksungur the last time. TSK and MIT concentrates a lot on this place in the last week.

 

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Liutenant Colonel Abdullah Cem DEMIRKAN fell martyr after he was hit by an IED. He was transported to a hospital, but after a long fight unfortunately he succumbed to his injuries. This is the highest ranking soldier that fell martyr in the whole Claw series of operations. May Allah accept his martyrdom!

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Other than that at least two helicopters, soldiers and bulldozers belonging to the Turkish Armed Forces were seen operating in the Zrere valley in Hakurk.


TSK established a checkpoint in the middle of Banke village, west of Metina.


Military reinforcements continued to be sent to Sheladiz.


Airstrikes against Tepe Bahar and other important points like the Mije, Spindar villages on the route between Gara and Tepe Bahar continued to be hit.

 

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HAHAHAH, Oh my God! This made my day!

PUK Spokesperson Sadi Ahmed Pire:

As PUK, we definitely do not see Turkiye as our enemy. We have never been enemies of Turkiye and we never wanted to be enemies of Turkiye.

We are not happy with the presence of the PKK in the Kurdistan Region, which creates a complex situation here and complicates the relations between the PUK and Turkiye.

The solution to the PKK problem is not in Duhok or Sulaymaniyah, but the solution to the PKK problem is in Turkiye.

Relations between Turkiye and PUK will no longer continue like this, relations will normalize and strengthen. The Turkish Foreign Minister and the new Turkish consul are playing a good role in this regard.

As PUK, we see Turkiye as a great regional power, it has a long border with the Kurdistan Region and Iraq.


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Turkey steps up pressure on PUK's Bafel Talabani over alleged PKK ties​


Turkish security sources warn of 'operational consequences' if the Iraqi Kurdish leader doesn't change course

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Bafel Jalal Talabani, Iraqi Kurdish politician and leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), in Baghdad on 17 October 2022 (AFP/Ahmad al-Rubaye)

By Levent Kemal in Istanbul, Turkey
Published date: 22 July 2024 16:56 BST |

Turkey has decided to intensify its pressure on Bafel Talabani, the chairman of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), due to his alleged cooperation with Kurdish armed groups deemed terrorist by Ankara, Turkish sources told Middle East Eye.

Tensions between Talabani’s PUK, the second-largest party in the Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), and Ankara have been rising over the past two years, with Turkey accusing him of collaborating with PKK-linked groups in Syria.

Recent developments, however, have shifted the balance in Turkey’s favour.

Last year, Ankara banned flights to northeastern Iraq’s Sulaymaniyah, a PUK stronghold, and senior Turkish officials, including President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, have repeatedly issued strong condemnations specifically targeting Talabani.

In recent months, Turkey has accelerated its military operations against the PKK in northern Iraq, closing in on the Metina region, previously a stronghold of the Kurdish armed group. This progress has been made in collaboration with the KRG and Baghdad, which has softened its criticism of Turkish military operations.

A Turkish source familiar with the situation told MEE that senior PKK members have been in Sulaymaniyah and received training there, despite public pressure on the PUK leader.

Earlier this year, Erdogan even claimed that the PKK has a hospital in the city. “We closely monitor PKK activities in the vicinity of Sulaymaniyah, and possible threats are being eliminated,” the source said.

In March, Turkey's national intelligence service “eliminated” Gulsun Silgir, aka Sara Hogir Riha, a senior PKK member responsible for youth camps, near Sulaymaniyah.

Turkish security sources told MEE that Talabani has been warned of “operational consequences” if he does not sever ties with the PKK.

These sources, however, declined to specify what the consequences would be, but recalled Ankara’s air campaign last year targeting PKK leaders in Sulaymaniyah.

They did not comment on whether PUK elements would be directly targeted.

In 2023, Turkey killed at least 15 senior PKK figures, most of them in Sulaymaniyah, through military drone operations.

PUK challenges​

KRG security sources, speaking to MEE on condition of anonymity, said that Turkey’s ongoing operations targeting PKK strongholds in northern Iraq have put pressure on the PUK.

“Bafel could not find a way out through the Americans and Iranians. This is real pressure,” said a security source in the KRG, which is dominated by the PUK’s rival, the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP).

Earlier this month, Turkish media said that Talabani had fled Iraq due to Turkish pressure, a claim denied by a KRG security source.

Last week, Talabani attended a meeting in Sulaymaniyah with Iraqi National Security Adviser Qassem Eremi to discuss Turkey's operations.

PUK sources told MEE that internal splits within the party have weakened Talabani and his supporters. They added that Lahur and Qubad Talabani, Bafel’s cousin and brother who favour good relations with the KRG and Turkey, are growing stronger.

According to PUK sources, in the next Kurdistan elections most of the PUK’s military wing will support Lahur, who in January established his own party, the People’s Front, to rival Bafel.

“If the elections take place, the political picture in the Kurdistan region will change. The destabilisation of this region through sectarian stubbornness turns it into a playground for the PKK and Iran,” said a PUK source. “Bafel and his team are also aware of the axis shift within the PUK.”

Turkish security sources told MEE messages are being sent to Bafel Talabani in indirect talks conducted through intelligence channels and Qubad Talabani, who is also the deputy prime minister of the KRG.

The sources said Bafel Talabani’s requests to hold direct meetings with Turkish counterparts have been rejected due to his alleged ties to the PKK.

However, opposition to Turkish operations in Iraq persists, as indicated by a statement from Iraqi army spokesman Major-General Yahya Rasool following a National Security Council meeting, which described Turkey’s operations against the PKK in the KRG region as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty.

MEE sent questions to Bafel Talabani through PUK spokesperson Sadi Pira but did not receive a response.

“The PUK is not against Turkey and does not want to fight with Turkey,” Pira previously told VOA Kurdi, denying allegations of cooperation with the PKK.

 
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