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We need to implement an "Israel" policy in that regard. Kill/destroy EVERYTHING that is a threat to TSK.
That will not happen as long as democracy cycle allowed to turn.American/German assets always gonna infriltrate next main opposition party on the line.
 
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I get what you're saying but we shot down a Russian plane didnt we?
And Iran is not afraid of an Israeli nuke, there's no need for a nuke to defeat Iran. Its a paper tiger.

But I agree we need to go Israel on all PKK and all of its supporters including Iranian militias.
We didnt shoot down russian plane in moscow , israel is attacking in heart of syria and iran just becaise has nukes , if didnt have i bet my life it will not dare to shoot a bullet inside iran . Aslo thats why iran use hamas and hezbollah and others to attack israel , if israel didnt have nukes than everyday in tel aviv will have rocket rains from all sides
 

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We need to implement an "Israel" policy in that regard. Kill/destroy EVERYTHING that is a threat to TSK.
I am fully supporting this when it comes to the armed factors, but the reality is a bit painful.

The capacity and capabilities that the Iranian proxy group posses is something that we currently don't have an answer to. With a lot of work we may be able to use our offensive capabilities and hit them hard, but we should also be able to sustain this pressure while we have the defensive capability to deal with large scale drone and ballistic missile attacks even worst to an extend to what we see in Israel. Unfortunately we lack in terms of capabilities and deterrence and we should be very careful of what we are doing in Iraq and shouldn't start something that we can't finish.

We have discussed this topic before and my personal opinion is that we should try to stay away from a large scale face off with these groups at least up to 2030 where most of our air defence systems will be online. Meanwhile my opinion is that we urgently need to acquire an air defence system capable of intercepting ballistic missiles like SAMP/T NG, PAC-3, THAAD or other options that are at the table. Seeing where the region is going and the biggest threats to us is making me uncomfortable and I hope we can get a sort of a deal with Trump on this and lets hope this will be our last strategic capability that we acquire from abroad. This is very urgent and carries a great importance.
 

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yeah 'great' idea but u should know that israel have nukes why Turkiye dont , Aslo iran can be nuclear very soon while Turkiye sleeping . And a non Nuclear country never dares to touch a nuclear power 🤦‍♂️😭
Let me elaborate. If Israel can hit a top target in Iran, we should be able to do the same. For years senior PKK commanders have enjoyed a safe heaven in Iran. Bicak artik kemige daldi. Karayilan is in Iran. We know it, Iran knows it.
 

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I am fully supporting this when it comes to the armed factors, but the reality is a bit painful.

The capacity and capabilities that the Iranian proxy group posses is something that we currently don't have an answer to. With a lot of work we may be able to use our offensive capabilities and hit them hard, but we should also be able to sustain this pressure while we have the defensive capability to deal with large scale drone and ballistic missile attacks even worst to an extend to what we see in Israel. Unfortunately we lack in terms of capabilities and deterrence and we should be very careful of what we are doing in Iraq and shouldn't start something that we can't finish.

We have discussed this topic before and my personal opinion is that we should try to stay away from a large scale face off with these groups at least up to 2030 where most of our air defence systems will be online. Meanwhile my opinion is that we urgently need to acquire an air defence system capable of intercepting ballistic missiles like SAMP/T NG, PAC-3, THAAD or other options that are at the table. Seeing where the region is going and the biggest threats to us is making me uncomfortable and I hope we can get a sort of a deal with Trump on this and lets hope this will be our last strategic capability that we acquire from abroad. This is very urgent and carries a great importance.
Israel obviously through Azerbaycan has an excellent network in Iran to target high value targets. Why cant we use the same network? I mean high ranking PKK commanders enjoy a safe heaven in Iran which they shouldn't.
 

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We didnt shoot down russian plane in moscow , israel is attacking in heart of syria and iran just becaise has nukes , if didnt have i bet my life it will not dare to shoot a bullet inside iran . Aslo thats why iran use hamas and hezbollah and others to attack israel , if israel didnt have nukes than everyday in tel aviv will have rocket rains from all sides
Iran did send a barrage of missiles from Iran to hit Israel.

 

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Israel obviously through Azerbaycan has an excellent network in Iran to target high value targets. Why cant we use the same network? I mean high ranking PKK commanders enjoy a safe heaven in Iran which they shouldn't.
didnt iran aslo have problem with separatist kurds pjak pkk branch and they hung them in public ?!
So if iran use pkk agaist Turkiye , Turkiye can use pjak agaist iran
 

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Israel obviously through Azerbaycan has an excellent network in Iran to target high value targets. Why cant we use the same network? I mean high ranking PKK commanders enjoy a safe heaven in Iran which they shouldn't.
I was thinking of writing a long answer, but decided to keep it short.

I am confident that Israel uses KDP-I and allies networks in Iran instead of Azerbaijani and Azerbaijan is not the preferred option when it comes to the enabling of MOSSAD operations in Iran.

The KDP-I already has deep roots in Iran and controls smuggling routes between Iran and Iraq. Another factor is that Israel is working in Iran for decades, establishing its intelligence network while we slept all this time and currently can only cry because "we gave the addresses to our Iranian brothers, but they told us that there's nobody there". Israel also chooses its targets carefully and doesn't fear retaliation. They don't even try to hide while there is no chance for us to conduct a military operation inside Iran of such importance and claim it.

We already have an informant network inside PKK, but we need more in order to enable such an operation. If we take for a fact that Cemil Bayik is based in Urmiya, Iran (1.000.000.000 population, Turkic and Kurdish ethnicities), we would need a very serious agent and informant network which would be able to track Cemil Bayik who is most probably traveling under false identity and Iranian Intelligence protection. We are talking about SIGINT, HUMINT, special reconnaissance, surveillance, cyber teams and hit teams which are positioned and ready in their areas of responsibility. I am sure that we already know the rumors, but such an operation needs to be based on accurate and timely intelligence due to the fact that these men (PKK leaders) may surface for a short breath and they are back underground. We must be ready to respond to the intelligence timely with a ready to act hit team. We are talking about an operation that may last months or even years and in this period of time we must ensure that our local agents and informants stay motivated and loyal to us and the secrecy of our operation stays as it is.

Many people think that to operate in Iran is very easy, but it is not, especially for us. We need to work consistently for decades in order to match the level of the Israeli networks in Iran and the objectives of these networks is very different. While Israel is using so much resource in Iran in order to ensure their very existence, we would operate in Iran in order to hunt terrorists that are in a decline.

Most importantly is not if we are able to do it (I am sure that with consistent work we are able to do it), but if the political and military leadership is ready to bear the consequences, because as we said before, we lack the deterrence. Iran will not attack Turkiye, but our foreign bases are in a great danger. We should be ready for the worst case scenario.

I don't want to discourage anyone, but if the Islamic Resistance in Iraq (not the Iranian State) decides they can nullify the result of 10 years of work, hundreds of martyrs in the mountains of Iraq and inflict damages equal to hundreds of martyrs, millions in terms of equipment and can end our existence in Iraq in around a month of intense attacks. It is a hard to swallow fact that we just don't have the capability to react to this threat appropriately.
 

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It's no coincidence that the October 7 attacks happened after Turkish-Israeli reproachment and a quickly forming alliance between Azerbaijan-Turkiye-Israel.

Iran sacrificed Palestine to save its own ass.

Whilst we turn a blind eye to Iran, and many Islamists praise them, they give PKK the ability to shoot down our drones.
 

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It's no coincidence that the October 7 attacks happened after Turkish-Israeli reproachment and a quickly forming alliance between Azerbaijan-Turkiye-Israel.

Iran sacrificed Palestine to save its own ass.

Whilst we turn a blind eye to Iran, and many Islamists praise them, they give PKK the ability to shoot down our drones.
Just a quick clarification mate
The october 7th attack didnt occur in order to sabotage the Turkish-Israeli reproachment; but was done in order for Natenyahu to find a loophope so that he can escape his jail time

If you wanna understand the Med East, then you need to know that Iran/Hamas/Israel are all on the fqing side! When Natenyahu was set to rot in prison for his whole life, Hamas came with October 7th attack to save Natenyahu's ass, and when Public discontent against Natenyahu reached its peak, Iran aided Israel by assassinating Ismail Haneyah, the political figure of Hamas

The only thing you should know is that Natenyahu knew that doing this would jeopardise the improvement in relations with Turkey, yet he chose to do it nonetheless because he falued the current chaos as more valuable to Israel and his own filthy ass than good and peaceful ties with Turkey

That is why I always said that Israel and Turkey can hever be friends. Ever since Israel came into the Middle East and all sorts of problems arose in the region; from the PKK, Hamas, Iraq war, Syrian war, Iran's increasing influence, Yemen, and even Libya..... the only nation that benefits from the chaos in the region has always been Israel
 

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I was thinking of writing a long answer, but decided to keep it short.

I am confident that Israel uses KDP-I and allies networks in Iran instead of Azerbaijani and Azerbaijan is not the preferred option when it comes to the enabling of MOSSAD operations in Iran.

The KDP-I already has deep roots in Iran and controls smuggling routes between Iran and Iraq. Another factor is that Israel is working in Iran for decades, establishing its intelligence network while we slept all this time and currently can only cry because "we gave the addresses to our Iranian brothers, but they told us that there's nobody there". Israel also chooses its targets carefully and doesn't fear retaliation. They don't even try to hide while there is no chance for us to conduct a military operation inside Iran of such importance and claim it.

We already have an informant network inside PKK, but we need more in order to enable such an operation. If we take for a fact that Cemil Bayik is based in Urmiya, Iran (1.000.000.000 population, Turkic and Kurdish ethnicities), we would need a very serious agent and informant network which would be able to track Cemil Bayik who is most probably traveling under false identity and Iranian Intelligence protection. We are talking about SIGINT, HUMINT, special reconnaissance, surveillance, cyber teams and hit teams which are positioned and ready in their areas of responsibility. I am sure that we already know the rumors, but such an operation needs to be based on accurate and timely intelligence due to the fact that these men (PKK leaders) may surface for a short breath and they are back underground. We must be ready to respond to the intelligence timely with a ready to act hit team. We are talking about an operation that may last months or even years and in this period of time we must ensure that our local agents and informants stay motivated and loyal to us and the secrecy of our operation stays as it is.

Many people think that to operate in Iran is very easy, but it is not, especially for us. We need to work consistently for decades in order to match the level of the Israeli networks in Iran and the objectives of these networks is very different. While Israel is using so much resource in Iran in order to ensure their very existence, we would operate in Iran in order to hunt terrorists that are in a decline.

Most importantly is not if we are able to do it (I am sure that with consistent work we are able to do it), but if the political and military leadership is ready to bear the consequences, because as we said before, we lack the deterrence. Iran will not attack Turkiye, but our foreign bases are in a great danger. We should be ready for the worst case scenario.

I don't want to discourage anyone, but if the Islamic Resistance in Iraq (not the Iranian State) decides they can nullify the result of 10 years of work, hundreds of martyrs in the mountains of Iraq and inflict damages equal to hundreds of martyrs, millions in terms of equipment and can end our existence in Iraq in around a month of intense attacks. It is a hard to swallow fact that we just don't have the capability to react to this threat appropriately.
Had no idea that KDP is that entrenched in Iran but it makes sense. Azerbaycan has a really good network in Iran due to the many Azeris in Iran and because Iran is siding with Armenia. And I agree. We have only ourselves to blame regarding Iran.
 

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While the PKK normally claims all UAVs shot by them, they did not take responsibility for this.

ANKA-S UCAV belonging to TSK/MIT crashed/was shot down in the Siyagoz village on the Iranian border in the Asos-Pencvin camp on August 1.

It is more likely that the Iranians shot down the UCAV. The Iranians previously shot down a civilian airliner by mistake so they may have even mistook ANKA for an Israeli Heron.


The area is the same area where we previously eliminated the PKK Suleymaniye chief together with terrorists from the Iranian wing of PKK, PJAK. We see that airstrikes in the area intensified in the last month which points at possible depots for Iran sourced supplies and/or drone manufacturing facilities.
 

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We need to implement an "Israel" policy in that regard. Kill/destroy EVERYTHING that is a threat to TSK.
As the saying goes, those do not learn from the history are doomed to repeat it. "War on Terror" waged by US only created more terrorists, so did Israel's brutality and so did every other attempt at trying to stop "terror" by going scorched earth. It is a concept that'll never, ever work; especially long term. @Kartal1 is right, air defence capability should be our priority #1 in the region and in general before thinking about bombing wherever we think or know an enemy might be, whether in another nation or within civilians. And don't forget, we are not Israel, we will never be given the same leeway they get.

One of our greatest failures as a nation (and quite frankly, as a civilisation) has always been our focus on short term gains and solutions, if we want to be safe, if we want to be a nation that is strong enough to stand on its own we first need to change this mindset.

I hope we can get a sort of a deal with Trump on this and lets hope this will be our last strategic capability that we acquire from abroad.
Trump is not going to win mate, not after Biden dropped out. He is by far the weaker candidate now and his VP pick has damaged him even more. Unless something drastic happens, I wouldn't bet on him winning and certainly wouldn't make any plans based on that bet.
 

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Yeah because Israel's policy is working great. Right?
From a political stand point it is not working but from a military standpoint i'd say it is working. And objectively, how has our current plan been working out? Has PKKs maneuverability both on the battlefield and politically been curtailed. No.
 

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Yeah because Israel's policy is working great. Right?
well yeah it is.

Hamas is getting wiped out wnd Hezbollah is next. And Israel isn't scared to hit Iranian assets on Iranian soil.

Meanwhile, Turkey is watching whilst both Iran and the USA give weapons to PKK. I don't expect the situation to improve under this government.

Sure, operations are being carried out deep Iraq... But none of that matters if you shy away from striking their backers. Both the USA and Iran is giving PKK weapons that can shoot down drones, helicopters and even low flying jets. What is Turkey doing about it? Made announcements and that's about it. Hard pill to swallow, but not much is being done. TSK is capable of scaring Iran at the very least, and I also believe it could warn the US. But we won't see any action any time soon.

If this nation had decent leadership it could have easily used the situation which has unfolded in the middle east for the past 15 years to its advantage. Instead, it time after time backs the losing side, always seems to lose at the table and never makes a smart move. Apart from some victories on the battlefield, it's been nothing but losses at the table. It's a shame because Turkey has so many advantages compared to the rest of the middle east. It's almost as if its leadership wants it to lose.
 
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well yeah it is.

Hamas is getting wiped out wnd Hezbollah is next. And Israel isn't scared to hit Iranian assets on Iranian soil.

Meanwhile, Turkey is watching whilst both Iran and the USA give weapons to PKK. I don't expect the situation to improve under this government.

Sure, operations are being carried out deep Iraq... But none of that matters if you shy away from striking their backers. Both the USA and Iran is giving PKK weapons that can shoot down drones, helicopters and even low flying jets. What is Turkey doing about it? Made announcements and that's about it. Hard pill to swallow, but not much is being done. TSK is capable of scaring Iran at the very least, and I also believe it could warn the US. But we won't see any action any time soon.

If this nation had decent leadership it could have easily used the situation which has unfolded in the middle east for the past 15 years to its advantage. Instead, it time after time backs the losing side, always seems to lose at the table and never makes a smart move. Apart from some victories on the battlefield, it's been nothing but losses at the table. It's a shame because Turkey has so many advantages compared to the rest of the middle east. It's almost as if its leadership wants it to lose.
Exactly.

We have for years been trying to sweet talk Iran to move against the PKK in a coordinated effort, so far nothing has materialized. It's about time we get rid of the carrot and use the stick.
 

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Exactly.

We have for years been trying to sweet talk Iran to move against the PKK in a coordinated effort, so far nothing has materialized. It's about time we get rid of the carrot and use the stick.

Yeah but I don’t expect the current government to do anything about it. They are surprisingly very passive about Iran for some reason.
 

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