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[Glass🚬]

Americans also gave manpads to the sdf does isis use helicopters??

Lots of questions to be asked

Its already confirmed that they are supporting them by themself, directly schooling them how to fight a tunnel warfare, supplying them with eq to build these tunnels etc (not that it will help them in the end but u get what i mean)

 

[Glass🚬]

I mean I agree. But these are laws that would have to come into play. It's not the same as saying they directly finance or arm the PKK, which is serious accusations. Remember when damn Time magazine reported on the ISIS gift shop in Istanbul and people started saying Turkey supported ISIS ?

My comment was mainly that the US has not supported the PKK within Turkey at all, at any point, rather it has supported Turkey. Externally, there is the YPG. It's a different game.

I'm a big believer in Occam's Razor.

The US is gaining something by using the YPG which they couldn't using the FSA. The YPG shares idealogies with the PKK and can be said to be the PKK.

But the West doesn't see it that way. The US has always supported Turkey during the war with the PKK internally (NATO involvement), but in Syria are attempting something else. I don't think they intentionally support the PKK at all. Constantly printing media articles linking US to PKK harms the relationship I think.

@Kartal1 this guy is now in trolling territory.

 

[Saithan]

I mean I agree. But these are laws that would have to come into play. It's not the same as saying they directly finance or arm the PKK, which is serious accusations. Remember when damn Time magazine reported on the ISIS gift shop in Istanbul and people started saying Turkey supported ISIS ?

My comment was mainly that the US has not supported the PKK within Turkey at all, at any point, rather it has supported Turkey. Externally, there is the YPG. It's a different game.

I'm a big believer in Occam's Razor.

The US is gaining something by using the YPG which they couldn't using the FSA. The YPG shares idealogies with the PKK and can be said to be the PKK.

But the West doesn't see it that way. The US has always supported Turkey during the war with the PKK internally (NATO involvement), but in Syria are attempting something else. I don't think they intentionally support the PKK at all. Constantly printing media articles linking US to PKK harms the relationship I think.

I agree, but that doesn't mean the intelligence institutions aren't supporting these terrorist groups.

So I'll claim that government officials are against terrorist organizations, but they're using the intelligence units etc. to support these terrorists to achieve same goal. it may take longer time, but the result will be the same.

They can continue saying, "we never supported them" while the reality is different. CIA operating and canalizing oil revenue from Syrian oilfields (controlled by YPG/SDF). Is another such example. I really hope Turkey isn't buying the oil tbh.

EDIT: A friend of mine still remembers the CIA accusation that Turkey supported ISIS. even if CIA came out and apologized. He still remembers such accusations.

 

[Glass🚬]

Vaporized.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401809963761217537

 

[Akhtar]

Americans also gave manpads to the sdf does isis use helicopters??

Lots of questions to be asked

source please, I'll change my views accordingly

 

[Akhtar]

I agree, but that doesn't mean the intelligence institutions aren't supporting these terrorist groups.

So I'll claim that government officials are against terrorist organizations, but they're using the intelligence units etc. to support these terrorists to achieve same goal. it may take longer time, but the result will be the same.

They can continue saying, "we never supported them" while the reality is different. CIA operating and canalizing oil revenue from Syrian oilfields (controlled by YPG/SDF). Is another such example. I really hope Turkey isn't buying the oil tbh.

EDIT: A friend of mine still remembers the CIA accusation that Turkey supported ISIS. even if CIA came out and apologized. He still remembers such accusations.

Yeah well, no doubt Perinçeks crowd is very happy about this - Given all these MANPAD's and most black market arms come from the east, minimal Russian criticism, despite Russia previously asking Saddam for a PKK camp.

 

[Ryder]

source please, I'll change my views accordingly

Redirect Notice

 

[Glass🚬]

Vaporized.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401809963761217537

“The SDF found that they had no defense against Turkish air power, so they built tunnels along the border that they could fight out of,” the officer said, noting that U.S. troops conducted several rehearsals with the group on how to coordinate in the event of a Turkish invasion. U.S. forces also trained the SDF on how to build what is called a “defense in depth”—defense with multiple fallback lines—without committing fratricide, the officer said."

Kurdish Fighters Mount Counterattack Using Network of Tunnels

The Syrian Democratic Forces have recaptured some territory from Turkish-backed forces.

foreignpolicy.com

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Preparations continue for sinjar ops.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401852698518032388

 

[Ryder]

US supplied MANPADS to Kurdish forces

Almaty. January 16. KazTAG – Kurdish forces have received a shipment of shoulder-fired surface-to-air miss...

kaztag.kz

Kazakh media reports it. Usa just denies it as usual.

 

[Akhtar]

@Kartal1 this guy is now in trolling territory.

No I am genuinely curious. Erdogan has accused the Americans of being directly behind the PKK in only the last few years. Like their main supporter, benefactor e.t.c. despite the amount of intelligence sharing against the PKK, I think this is wrong.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/turkey-accuses-u-s-of-backing-pkk-after-turks-killed-in-iraq

2016 and before, Erdogan routinely accused Russia of arming and supporting the PKK. Now it is the Americans - and this is linked to Syria.

Turkey's Erdogan accuses Russia of arming PKK militants

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has accused Russia of providing anti-aircraft weaponry and rockets to militants of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), government officials said on Monday, confirming reports in local media.

www.reuters.com

 

[Akhtar]

US supplied MANPADS to Kurdish forces

Almaty. January 16. KazTAG – Kurdish forces have received a shipment of shoulder-fired surface-to-air miss...

kaztag.kz

Kazakh media reports it. Usa just denies it as usual.

The picture is of the peshmerga, there is no name on this article and this should be reported more widely, no ?

I found this other article:

Rumors: US Supplied Kurdish Forces In Syria With MANPADs

Kurdish militias operating in Syria have allegedly received a batch of man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADs) from the US, according to...

southfront.org

Kurdish militias operating in Syria have allegedly received a batch of man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADs) from the US, according to rumors spread by pro-opposition sources on January 15.


Kurdish militias – YPG and YPJ – are a core of the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) that control large areas in northwestern and eastern Syria.


Opposition sources argue that the US had provided MANPADs to the part of the US-backed forces operating in the area of Afrin in northwestern Syria. However, they were not able to provide any evidence to confirm that the so-called “secret deal” between the sides really exists and the SDF had received the MANPADs.

 

[Akhtar]

Redirect Notice

Yeah I am sure they want F-35 and Abrams Tanks as well

 

[Akhtar]

“The SDF found that they had no defense against Turkish air power, so they built tunnels along the border that they could fight out of,” the officer said, noting that U.S. troops conducted several rehearsals with the group on how to coordinate in the event of a Turkish invasion. U.S. forces also trained the SDF on how to build what is called a “defense in depth”—defense with multiple fallback lines—without committing fratricide, the officer said."

Kurdish Fighters Mount Counterattack Using Network of Tunnels

The Syrian Democratic Forces have recaptured some territory from Turkish-backed forces.

foreignpolicy.com

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Preparations continue for sinjar ops.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401852698518032388

I have a feeling it will happen as soon as disagreements over Sinjar between Iraq and KRG heat up again.

 

[Ryder]

Yeah I am sure they want F-35 and Abrams Tanks as well

You can move goal posts all you like the ypg do have manpads.

 

[Akhtar]

You can move goal posts all you like the ypg do have manpads.

I'm not moving them man, saying the YPG have MANPADs is different from saying the US has been supplying the YPG with MANPADs

 

[Glass🚬]

No I am genuinely curious. Erdogan has accused the Americans of being directly behind the PKK in only the last few years. Like their main supporter, benefactor e.t.c. despite the amount of intelligence sharing against the PKK, I think this is wrong.

Im not here to constantly refute ur claims, there is no intelligence sharing whatsoever.

Exclusive: U.S. halts secretive drone program with Turkey over Syria incursion

The United States has halted a secretive military intelligence cooperation program with Turkey that for years helped Ankara target Kurdish PKK militants, four U.S. officials told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

and if ur sending tens of thousands of truck loads of weapons, training them against us Turks, sharing intelligence of Turkish positions with them, propagating them as some sort of gluten-free freedom fighters- then ur becoming the main supporter of the PKK. That the Russians and Iranians support them as well is all known but the bulk of that support comes from the US.

 

[Akhtar]

Baghdad stresses need for withdrawal of Turkish troops

TEHRAN, Jun. 06 (MNA) –The Iraqi presidential office issued a statement on Sunday on the recent PKK terrorists attack on Peshmerga forces, as well as the presence of Turkish troops on Iraqi soil.

en.mehrnews.com

The statement also stressed the "importance of preventing violations of Iraqi sovereignty and the withdrawal of Turkish troops stationed in the Iraqi Kurdistan and Mosul region", while noting that Turkey's presence on Iraqi soil was a "violation of the principle of good neighborliness" and "in contradiction with international protocols and treaties."

Haha

 

[Akhtar]

Im not here to constantly refute ur claims, there is no intelligence sharing whatsoever.

Exclusive: U.S. halts secretive drone program with Turkey over Syria incursion

The United States has halted a secretive military intelligence cooperation program with Turkey that for years helped Ankara target Kurdish PKK militants, four U.S. officials told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

and if ur sending tens of thousands of truck loads of weapons, training them against us Turks, sharing intelligence of Turkish positions with them, propagating them as some sort of gluten-free freedom fighters- then ur becoming the main supporter of the PKK. That the Russians and Iranians support them as well is all known but the bulk of that support comes from the US.

"Ambassador Sensoy said the success of the attack was due to the intelligence the United States shared with Turkey, but he would not confirm if or when U.S. military officials were informed of the strikes. "

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www.voanews.com

This intelligence sharing agreement was started in 2007. It has been terminated recently because of bad relations between Turkey and America.

US suspends intelligence-gathering program that targeted Kurdish PKK

The U.S. military has halted a secret military intelligence cooperation program with Turkey that for years was used to aid Ankara in targeting the Kurdish Workers Party or PKK, according to a repor…

thehill.com

Exclusive: U.S. halts secretive drone program with Turkey over Syria incursion

The United States has halted a secretive military intelligence cooperation program with Turkey that for years helped Ankara target Kurdish PKK militants, four U.S. officials told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

Small arms is one thing, Tanks and MANPAD's is another.

 

[Glass🚬]

Baghdad stresses need for withdrawal of Turkish troops

TEHRAN, Jun. 06 (MNA) –The Iraqi presidential office issued a statement on Sunday on the recent PKK terrorists attack on Peshmerga forces, as well as the presence of Turkish troops on Iraqi soil.

en.mehrnews.com

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Haha

Since im 100% sure that ur a false flagger, im now giving u a 50% chance that ur a kurd

 

[Anmdt]

Drone parts ? go to alibaba express. The West does not consider the YPG to be the PKK, though they are trying to support the arabic components of the SDF from what I can see.

I supplied a link to MANPADs in my previous post - look at the document. Also all of the MANPADs seen used are derivatives of Russian systems. Which would mean the US is purchasing large quanities of Russian weapons then airlifting them/delivering them to the SDF for diffusion to the PKK which they provide Turkey information on. The US knows the PKK is losing and that Turkey will conduct cross-border operations...what would they gain ?

The SDF is a different problem. 100,000 troops armed and trained on the southern border.

Let me tell you, not all parts are available on Alibaba, Intelligence teams of Army is not dumb enough to differ between a commercial part to be bought from Alibaba and the ones particularly used in some military drones and sold by particular companies.
SDF=YPG=PKK, there is no further discussion on this matter, whatever told on this in contract, is part of huge delusion so that west can legalize their point of view

The YPG shares idealogies with the PKK and can be said to be the PKK.

Other leftists groups also share some ideologies, YPG and PKK shares more than just ideology they share the same ultimate goal and they are co-managed their members diffuses between as well as their inventory.